GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #1

[TheTruthWillOut]

I am very confused.
So many family members etc.

Tia has not been seen since leaving grandmother Christine Sharp's home in New Addington, south-east London, at around midday on Friday. It was believed the last person who saw her was Mrs Sharp's partner, Stuart Hazell.

But on Tuesday Mr Niles said he was unsure about that. He added: "The last time I saw her was on Thursday morning before going to work (at the family home in Mitcham).

"When she left the house she shouted 'Bye' and 'See you by six'. She always takes her phone but it was dead."

http://www.osadvertiser.co.uk/news/...ther-anguish-over-missing-tia-80904-31567617/


So she left her home on Thursday. Mr Niles did not see her again?
She went to her grandmothers on Friday?

Is this correct?


Also I need to add, i am unfamiliar with UK papers,media and do not know what is main stream and what isn't

I have to catch up with today's events but this is what I understand to be the timeline.

Leaves Mitcham home Thursday morning. Says she'll be back by six.

While in Croydon Thursday afternoon Tia decides she will stay at her grandmothers for the night?

Stuart Hazell meets Tia in Croydon and travels to the grandmothers house in New Addington. (by car?)

Grandmother goes to work Friday morning. Stuart Hazell say's around midday he gives her £10 to go shopping in Croydon.

That's what I understand ATM, but will now check all of today's media for any new info.

 

[Dushi]

Glasses were found??? I missed this

Yes, thats what I read
Looking for it now

 

[Dushi]

Police sealed off woods in New Addington yesterday after finding glasses like Tia’s. Her mother said they were not hers but officers were still searching the area last night.Tia, who was in a yellow boob tube, had no mobile or travel card with her and only £10 cash.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-worst-as-12-year-old-daughter-vanishes.html


Don't know anything about the source

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Sad to say there is nothing new. No sightings......nothing.

And police activities tell me they are concentrating their efforts on the New Addington estate/Birch Woods area. 60 officers are searching apparently.

I'm sure by now police have confirmed that SH did in fact pick up/meet Tia from the East Croydon tram stop. There are multiple CCTV cameras at the location so assume they have.

As it stands now, I don't believe Tia left the New Addington estate. Which is bad news IMO.

 

[Foxymona]

The grandmother was with the boyfriend for several years and Tia willingly goes there to stay often so I am not so quick to think that he is anything other than distraught. You can't believe everything you read in the paper and the different stories could just be the press.
Police are searching a primary school and the woods.
I want to know about her online activity... No 12 year old girl leaves her phone especially when she has it charged by night...

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

The grandmother was with the boyfriend for several years and Tia willingly goes there to stay often so I am not so quick to think that he is anything other than distraught. You can't believe everything you read in the paper and the different stories could just be the press.
Police are searching a primary school and the woods.
I want to know about her online activity... No 12 year old girl leaves her phone especially when she has it charged by night...

The Telegraph have quoted SH's sister saying he walked Tia to the tram stop. I doubt the Telegraph would make quotes up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...lks-of-heartbreak-as-police-search-woods.html

Yet in the below article Tia's mother claims to have a independent witness that saw her on her own.

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk...randmother-s/story-16661562-detail/story.html

He at least needs to explain why he told Tia's family one thing and his own another. MOO

I get what you mean though. The papers do get thing's wrong. Tia's oyster card might be one.........some articles quote grandma saying she lost it ages ago while other articles say it was left at the house with the mobile phone!

 

[EGirl]

This is not unusual in some parts of the UK, 32 yo grandmothers are not uncommon at all

wow...that means both mom and daughter were 15 and 16 when they had children.

Sorry to be off topic.

 

[Amber34]

Some thoughts that have occurred to me today, as I have been driving round south London working and spotting posters of Tia here and there.....

One of the earliest reports stated her own phone was broken so she had borrowed her mum's. Now, I can understand her not taking mum's phone out with her - none of her pals contact numbers would be on it. This could explain leaving her phone at home.

I am not surprised she was allowed to go into Croydon alone. Her school is a 7 mile journey from her home and yet the Whitgift Centre is a mere 2.5 miles. This is a very built up area of South London (as all of south London is) with one district running into the next, and has quite a different feel to the small town her grandmother lives in. My family are from SE London and the kids there are waaaaay more street savvy than my own who have been brought up in small villages in rural Kent.

With regard to the British press and who to trust.....

I am fairly confident with the Telegraph, BBC and the Guardian (to some extent). eta Local papers, eg thisiscroydontoday.co.uk are generally fairly good too, but often a little behind on the latest events.
The Sun, Mirror and Daily Mail are sensationalist and court controversy with gay abandon. They will not let facts get in the way of a good story, although my general view is that journalists, lawyers and estate agents all crawled from very similar ponds. JMO

 

[Lottie]

Re BBM badhorsie and Dushi, thank you - I've used forums for years and never knew that one!

 

[Lottie]

I agree with Amber. With refgard to the Daily Mail, they often do get the facts first, but then they embellish them out of all proportion, sometimes with complete lies. I know this for a fact when I've witnessed things they've reported on, so if they get the ones I know about wrong, just how much of what they print can be believed?

So it goes like this: if the Daily Mail says Tia has disappeared, then they are probably spot on - but anything else they print you can take with a pinch of salt.

 

[Amber34]

I am now having a bit of a WTF? moment.

Step-grandfather told his father he walked Tia to the tram. So why did the family hold a candlelit vigil at a bus stop? Are they simply discounting the old chap's statement? http://news.sky.com/story/969389/family-plea-for-missing-tia-to-come-home

Another thought that occurred to me: Grandmother said she reported Tia missing at 6pm, yet elsewhere she said she would be home at 6pm. Could just be poor reporting, could be something else. I've still not read anywhere that anyone saw her after the Co-op CCTV on Thursday.

I can't express strongly enough how much I hope this lass turns out to have gone on an extended sleepover at a friend's house or is just trying to get some attention from her mixed up family. My gut tells me I will be disappointed.

 

[Saracen]

I agree with Amber. With refgard to the Daily Mail, they often do get the facts first, but then they embellish them out of all proportion, sometimes with complete lies. I know this for a fact when I've witnessed things they've reported on, so if they get the ones I know about wrong, just how much of what they print can be believed?

So it goes like this: if the Daily Mail says Tia has disappeared, then they are probably spot on - but anything else they print you can take with a pinch of salt.

We are in the unfortunate position in this country of not being able to trust MP's, bankers and newspapers, especially after the phone hacking of high profile cases

 

[Jackalyn]

I agree with you about the Daily Mail. The trouble is with the papers we don't know what is fact and what is fiction. Probably is better to trust the Guardian, Independent or Telegraph. Possibly the BBC.....but just now I still don't think things add up with the Grandmother's partner.

How common are French Connection glasses? It does seem wierd they found some LIKE Tia's?

French connection are cheap designer glasses from Specsavers. Doesn't that mean they could still match a perscription? Did they?

As for why no dogs? You have to remember that we are a small island and there is less kidnapping overall. We are just not geared up to find missing kids in the same way as the US.

 

[Amster]

I think it would help not to refer to grandmas bf as "step grandpa". Or "step" anything. Also, has her father not seen Tia since she was a baby?

 

[Jackalyn]

I am now having a bit of a WTF? moment.

Step-grandfather told his father he walked Tia to the tram. So why did the family hold a candlelit vigil at a bus stop? Are they simply discounting the old chap's statement? http://news.sky.com/story/969389/family-plea-for-missing-tia-to-come-home

Another thought that occurred to me: Grandmother said she reported Tia missing at 6pm, yet elsewhere she said she would be home at 6pm. Could just be poor reporting, could be something else. I've still not read anywhere that anyone saw her after the Co-op CCTV on Thursday.

I can't express strongly enough how much I hope this lass turns out to have gone on an extended sleepover at a friend's house or is just trying to get some attention from her mixed up family. My gut tells me I will be disappointed.

Did Tia go (or are they meaning she went to catch a bus or a tram? I don't know that area but a lot of places the two things can be near each other because the tram system is newer than the buses. It is a bit wierd round Croydon as you can catch a bus OR a tram to the same places. I never know what to go and catch when I go to see my parents.

 

[badhorsie]

We do use search dogs though, I haven't seen any used in this case, maybe when they were in the woods.....?

 

[Saracen]

I agree with you about the Daily Mail. The trouble is with the papers we don't know what is fact and what is fiction. Probably is better to trust the Guardian, Independent or Telegraph. Possibly the BBC.....but just now I still don't think things add up with the Grandmother's partner.

How common are French Connection glasses? It does seem wierd they found some LIKE Tia's?

French connection are cheap designer glasses from Specsavers. Doesn't that mean they could still match a perscription? Did they?

As for why no dogs? You have to remember that we are a small island and there is less kidnapping overall. We are just not geared up to find missing kids in the same way as the US.

I think to be fair for a population thats far more dense per acre than the US, we do pretty good as reguards finding people, the only people we fail to find are the one's that are not suppose to be here!...So I am hoping that Tia is found very soon..

 

[slug]

I've read a report that the police were combing the woods with long sticks but no mention of dogs that i can find.
Surely there must be some of the mountain rescue dogs that could be used for cases like this as i'm sure there are some from missing walker cases in both wales and scotland.

 

[masekwm]

The helicopter would scan the area looking for a person with the thermal imaging camera.

Cops with sticks are looking for other evidence.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Just reading the BBC article on this case: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19159340

This sticks out for me.

Det Ch Insp Nick Scola, from the Met's Homicide and Serious Crime Command, said the youngster spent a lot of time at her grandmother's house and the last person to see Tia was her grandmother's partner, but on Tuesday Tia's stepfather said he was not sure about that.

What does he know? Not sure about what? Does he know that someone else was in the house?