GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #3

[laurielee]

I get the feeling they made up the fair story for the rest of the family and the media as they'd just sat and watched tv and eaten pizza instead of looking for Tia, probably because CS thought Tia would just turn up a bit later and was perhaps convinced by SH that there was no need to panic.

 

[Skigh]

Yes, this is my theory. I'm not for one minute suggesting they moved the body. I'm asking whether it's possible they were there to ask for help to move it (and failed) or for a different reason.

To my mind it makes zero sense for them to believe it would look good to be seen (?) at a (not so local) fair unless Tia had expressed a desire to go there.

Which she didn't or he would have justified looking around a random venue by saying "Tia saw the poster for the fair so we checked there". Why check the fair? Why? Why when there are so many local kiddie areas to check?

One answer is because THEY wanted to blame the disappearance on the travellers. But that's thin bearing in mind she was supposed to be in central Croydon.

Surely there's another reason. My reason is because SH knew travellers. But that's been poo-pooed.

I think SH would know travellers,but I do not think they would help him with a body.
Could he have been looking for a place to steal a car?

Perhaps he knew the house could be searched and he wanted someone to look after something else ,eg drugs .

They might have been driving in that direction to throw away possessions of Tia's and were worried they might have been seen on T.V.

They might have been searching for a place to dump Tia near the fair to cast suspicion on travellers
Could it be if they were looking for someone they went to both fairs.

SH must have told police several times what his movements were on Friday so I would have thought he would not have forgotten which fair.

 

[Skigh]

Yes. I mentioned that in a previous post. I said he seemed quite irritated when he was recounting the phone-charging episode. Tia wouldn't leave the phone alone because she was using it, and Hazell got quite annoyed. It made me think just how annoyed did he get?

I think that is him being an actor and giving credence to the fact she did not take her phone.

I would think SH would have a very bad temper if crossed.

 

[soozieqtips]

Sorry, missed your post. Just caught those items after watching the video (more closely this time) again.

Don't worry. It was several pages back. It's just interesting to hear that other posters also picked up on SH's irritation about the phone. if he was drunk at the time, the phone incident might really have enraged him.

 

[Inge Jones]

I am actually going to go against the trend here and say the irritation about the phone will be a red herring. He has rehearsed his story so well, that if that was anything at all to do with why he killed her, he'd have either completely airbrushed it out of the account, or been at pains to look completely unirritated by it in the retelling.

 

[RedOwl]

From http://www.itv.com/news/2012-08-17/itv-news-exclusive-tia-sharp-family-referred-to-social-services/

More than once, it has been been about issues surrounding the abuse of Class A drugs by members of Tia Sharp's family and on another occasion police referred the family to social services after they were called to some kind of disturbance at her home.

Does anyone know if class A drugs would still show up in toxicology results, considering the length of time between TS's death and the autopsy? I was just wondering if this might verify and accidental death theory that maybe she got hold of some drugs and OD. Although I do find it hard to believe that happened, we can't rule it out I guess.

 

[soozieqtips]

I am actually going to go against the trend here and say the irritation about the phone will be a red herring. He has rehearsed his story so well, that if that was anything at all to do with why he killed her, he'd have either completely airbrushed it out of the account, or been at pains to look completely unirritated by it in the retelling.

Except that I think he felt a need to 'explain' why she'd left without her phone, but by doing so, he revealed a little of his easily-irritable character, in my opinion. Although his story was well rehearsed, which I'd expect after so many days preparing for it - he was still vague about what Tia had said to him.

But... I thought the part where he makes out he's not 'up on women's clothing' and turns to DS to ask if her trousers were 'jeggings' or 'chinos' was really fake now I've seen that bit again. I felt like he most certainly is 'up on women's clothing', but didn't want to admit it in case anyone thought he'd perhaps spent too much time observing what Tia wore.

 

[Clio]

I am actually going to go against the trend here and say the irritation about the phone will be a red herring. He has rehearsed his story so well, that if that was anything at all to do with why he killed her, he'd have either completely airbrushed it out of the account, or been at pains to look completely unirritated by it in the retelling.

I actually think his irritation around the phone gave credibility to what he was saying.

He didn't actually say "if only I hadn't gone on at her about leaving the phone alone whilst it's charging, she would have taken it with her" but he implied it.

 

[India99]

Does anyone know if class A drugs would still show up in toxicology results, considering the length of time between TS's death and the autopsy? I was just wondering if this might verify and accidental death theory that maybe she got hold of some drugs and OD. Although I do find it hard to believe that happened, we can't rule it out I guess.

its actually going to stay there a lot longer as the body isn't dealing with it and getting rid of it.

 

[MobyBluff]

What was the question the interviewer asks SH before he starts explaining about his cleaning regime? Was he being defensive before he'd been accused or was the question geared up to get him to explain about what he'd done in his day (rather than Tias) in the hope that he'd trip himself up?

Bearing in mind the interviewer was a trained criminologist....

 

[MobyBluff]

i mentioned before on here about the vid of SH and how much detail he gave about things he did that normal people wouldn't remember.

the reason he remembered so much is because it was rehearsed over and over in his head to make sure he had his story straight.


if somebody put me on the spot right now and asked me what i did all day yesterday i could recall certain things but not in much detail as i have no reason to remember all the boring mundane things i might have done.

Agree totally, except that SH wasn't suddenly asked to give events. He had time to get it clear in his mind.

 

[India99]

Agree totally, except that SH wasn't suddenly asked to give events. He had time to get it clear in his mind.

that was my point, if he'd been asked to give that interview on satuday instead of thursday i think the whole thing would have ended a lot sooner.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

I think SH would know travellers,but I do not think they would help him with a body.
Could he have been looking for a place to steal a car?

Perhaps he knew the house could be searched and he wanted someone to look after something else ,eg drugs .

They might have been driving in that direction to throw away possessions of Tia's and were worried they might have been seen on T.V.

They might have been searching for a place to dump Tia near the fair to cast suspicion on travellers
Could it be if they were looking for someone they went to both fairs.

SH must have told police several times what his movements were on Friday so I would have thought he would not have forgotten which fair.

Just checking in before i go play xbox lol.

Skigh,i had posted my opinion about travellers helping SH earlier in the thread,ive known a few of them over the years..

I also doubt if SH really new travellers all that well,even if hes had dealings with them,i know they (younger travellers)tolerate a bit smoke and a bit coke on nights out but i doubt it very much if they would have any association with a junkie the likes of SH..IMO

 

[MobyBluff]

Tia was let down in every possible way by her family, but also the police and social services let her down.

Social Services didn't let her down, did they? The Police didn't let her down. Her family did.

 

[MobyBluff]

Yes. I mentioned that in a previous post. I said he seemed quite irritated when he was recounting the phone-charging episode. Tia wouldn't leave the phone alone because she was using it, and Hazell got quite annoyed. It made me think just how annoyed did he get?

I get very irritated and annoyed, more than SH expressed, for similar mistakes from my kids. But, hey, he's as guilty as the charge indicates anyway.

 

[MobyBluff]

I agree with you.I think the family were aware of what had happened.I think the drive to Merton on Friday evening was to sort the story out,I would not be surprised if DS was also there.

From that they must of had a mutual something to hide, a ring, prostitution ring, or similar. I can't believe that.

 

[Shine]

Hey everyone. I've been waiting to get verified to join in this thread.

This has to be one of the most baffling cases, I don't want to repeat anything that's already been discussed but after re watching the SH video I'm more inclined to think that the first half was where he was telling the truth (the waffling could also be down to nerves, I know I can ramble if I'm nervous etc) but when it comes to the point where she had gone and when they started to worry it all goes downhill and it seems like that's where the lies come in and the not being able to keep up with the tangled web weaved. All in my opinion of course. I found this link on lying which is quite interesting http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lying-resources.php

Also IMO I will be really shocked if CS didn't have anything at all to do with this or the aftermath in some way, there's just something not quite right that I cant put my finger on with her. I've found her aggressive behaviour odd to say the least...

Poor poor Tia

 

[MobyBluff]

I think SH would know travellers,but I do not think they would help him with a body.
Could he have been looking for a place to steal a car?

Perhaps he knew the house could be searched and he wanted someone to look after something else ,eg drugs .

They might have been driving in that direction to throw away possessions of Tia's and were worried they might have been seen on T.V.

They might have been searching for a place to dump Tia near the fair to cast suspicion on travellers
Could it be if they were looking for someone they went to both fairs.

SH must have told police several times what his movements were on Friday so I would have thought he would not have forgotten which fair.

Brilliant ideas.....and let's not forget CS was with him......so which theory do you choose?

 

[MobyBluff]

Does anyone know if class A drugs would still show up in toxicology results, considering the length of time between TS's death and the autopsy? I was just wondering if this might verify and accidental death theory that maybe she got hold of some drugs and OD. Although I do find it hard to believe that happened, we can't rule it out I guess.

Class A drugs are in the main man made. Chemicals. The body takes a long time to rid itself of them (Olympic cheats) and dead these Chemicals would live on, in all organs. Drug do not decompose as far as I am aware. An apple core doesn't rot into compost for a long time....

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

GRAPHIC CONTENT!!

Body Decomposition - YouTube

its a bit gorey so be warned lol

think im becoming a bit weird,considering i want to be a pathologist and i'd love to work on a body farm. :laugh:

Looks like the Circle of Life to me! :moo: