GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #3

[kaos]

If it was SH alone who put her in the loft and CS was not complicit in the death, maybe SH didn't have a chance to move the body. Events took over and before he could move her, CS or NS (not clear to me) reported her missing, the police arrived, the family descended on the house etc

It doesn't explain the funfair though.

Here's a bizarre coincidence - the very same ex-bf has the following written in another article about one of his other victims.

Mr H, who had been out at a fun fair in Mitcham that night, did not return to the house until 3am

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...e_archive/?id=40304+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk


I never knew the area had so many funfairs - Orpington, Atherton Rd (I think that's the one mentioned by SH or DS) and one in Mitcham??

 

[India99]

You sleep with someone, literally and in the Biblical sense, for years

You share a bathroom

You eat with them. You squeeze from the same tube of toothpaste. You combine your small change to buy a carton of milk

You know each other backwards

You've seen each other elated, depressed, scared, angry, defensive, drunk and stupid

but you don't know if the person lying beside you is keeping a dark secret - is scared - is lying - is bluffing something out ?


Not sure I can buy that

I was married for years, same person, same bed etc as stated above, and the reason i'm not married to that person anymore is simply because that person changed their routine one day for no reason at all which made me suspicious instantly which over a few weeks lead me to the truth of what they had been doing.

I'm not going into details as they are personal but i agree with everything said above.You KNOW when something isn't right.

 

[India99]

Sorry, I'm way behind one today's thread but it seems pretty obvious to me why a lawyer would want to take this on - very high profile, complex and emotive case and not a straightforward prosecution or defence. Intellectual challenge or guaranteed publicity - either way, it makes sense to me.

They work for and are paid by the Crown, they have no choice.

 

[JTOL_1984]

Not sure about if deleted things can be retrieved.

If they can, and there was something incriminating, I'm sure it'll come out in due course...

Maybe when it's been reported that TS was using her mother's phone, it was more that she was perhaps using an old phone of hers. I know when my phone has broken in the past I've usually had to resort to borrowing an old phone from someone in the interim- maybe it was just phrased, or paraphrased/misquoted as 'her mum's phone', instead of 'her mum's old phone'. Just a thought which might make it more plausable for those who don't think NS would have lent TS her phone for the weekend...

 

[Skigh]

I don't think any thought was given as to how quickly the printers would step in and how quickly on Twitter it would spread. He also maybe thought the police would start the investigation at NS's home, giving him time to get rid of the body.

I think you could be right in them thinking the police/press would focus on NS's home which would give them time.

Did they contact the police from N.S's house or drive back to The Lindens and do it from there?

 

[India99]

I'll post the article I found that may be NS. If it's not acceptable then hopefully the mods will just give me a mild rebuke and I'll happily delete it. I'm aware that NS is a victim too but like I said in an earlier post, it's more so other forum members can see what kind of family life both NS and Tia grew up with on that estate.


http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...e_archive/?id=41830+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

You have to remember what people on this estate are like, i can pretty much guarantee you that if there is one story about a particular person then there will be others.

In the year i lived on that estate lots of things happened that made the local papers and more often than not the same names popped up every single time.

I could pretty much guarantee you that if you follow the local news for the next 12 months you will see news stories from that estate at least a couple of times a month.

 

[Skigh]

If they can, and there was something incriminating, I'm sure it'll come out in due course...

Maybe when it's been reported that TS was using her mother's phone, it was more that she was perhaps using an old phone of hers. I know when my phone has broken in the past I've usually had to resort to borrowing an old phone from someone in the interim- maybe it was just phrased, or paraphrased/misquoted as 'her mum's phone', instead of 'her mum's old phone'. Just a thought which might make it more plausable for those who don't think NS would have lent TS her phone for the weekend...

Just seems coincidental that the day she went missing her phone was broken.

 

[kaos]

You have to remember what people on this estate are like, i can pretty much guarantee you that if there is one story about a particular person then there will be others.

In the year i lived on that estate lots of things happened that made the local papers and more often than not the same names popped up every single time.

I could pretty much guarantee you that if you follow the local news for the next 12 months you will see news stories from that estate at least a couple of times a month.

I'm starting to see that now. Maybe the police were also having a hard time with so many criminals living in the one area.

 

[soozieqtips]

Just a thought which might make it more plausable for those who don't think NS would have lent TS her phone for the weekend...

Good point. I have an old spare phone that I lend friends from Canada when they come to stay. And I lent the same phone to my daughter when hers was temporarily lost.

 

[India99]

I'm sure that the Police are also checking which Cell towers SH and CS's phones hit around the area when they allegedly went looking for her.

In 2012 its very hard to just drop off of the radar without some kind of gadget telling somebody where you are.

As for the fun fairs that somebody mentioned, there is always at least one in Croydon as most Fun Fair rides are actually stored in Ketson Showmans Park in Layhams Road which is just out of the other end of the estate.

 

[India99]

I'm starting to see that now. Maybe the police were also having a hard time with so many criminals living in the one area.

The strange thing is that there is a Police Station in Addington Village which isnt that big and only open to the public at certain times of the day but also used as a small base for local coppers and a temporary impound yard.

This said, they do actually have a CID office in there (the coffee is disgusting btw lol) but they only seem to work office hours too.

Most of the Police that deal with the estate will come from South Norwood Police Station.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I agree- the mother's phone thing sticks out to me (the fact that it could be relevant in her murder somehow). She apparently always charged her phone overnight- possibly because it was an iphone or similar which needs charging daily, so she'd charge it at night to make sure she wasn't without it in the day. I don't know if it stands out because this is one thing, IMO, that stood out to make it look highly suspect that TS never left the house on Friday like SH claimed, or because there's something more to it- like reading a message or seeing photos of her mother's on there perhaps that were maybe incriminating. Either way I'm sure we'll learn if it's significant as the police will no doubt have looked into phone activity and the content of it etc. Or maybe it's just an irrelevant detail that she had her mum's phone...

BTW if photos are deleted from a phone/sim card, are they still traceable by police etc.? I assume so- in the same way 'deleted' things from a computer can still be found if you know how- but just wanted to check?

BBM.

Yes, I believe they can. http://www.forensicts.co.uk/SubCategory.aspx?ID=43&SMID=54

 

[JTOL_1984]

Just seems coincidental that the day she went missing her phone was broken.

True, but she borrowed her mum's to replace her broken phone, then 'left it at home' when she went to the shopping centre (as SH claimed), but it looks likely she never actually left the house so it might be irrelevant... I don't know, I'm just theorising as I can't decide if it's key or irrelevant. Either way I'm sure it will prove vital in tracing her last know movements, the time contact ceased etc.

 

[oldhat]

I never knew the area had so many funfairs - Orpington, Atherton Rd (I think that's the one mentioned by SH or DS) and one in Mitcham??

The UK 'Funfair' is run by travelling communities that set up shop in public greens then move on a nearby one the next week, it's probably the same group for all those local places.

 

[India99]

The UK 'Funfair' is run by travelling communities that set up shop in public greens then move on a nearby one the next week, it's probably the same group for all those local places.

There is always at least one in Croydon as most Fun Fair rides are actually stored in Ketson Showmans Park in Layhams Road which is just out of the other end of the estate.

 

[Skigh]

Good point. I have an old spare phone that I lend friends from Canada when they come to stay. And I lent the same phone to my daughter when hers was temporarily lost.

I am probably making something out of nothing about this phone thing, but it is still bugging me.

I could understand it if it was said she had lost her phone and needed to wait to get replacement.
I think she would want her own phone with her contacts in it especially if she was away for a few days. If it just needed charged why not delay leaving for an hour or so or take it any way and charge at Granny's.
If it was actually broken and she was going out to the shopping centre why not take it with her to take to mobile phone shop to see what was wrong with it.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I'll post the article I found that may be NS. If it's not acceptable then hopefully the mods will just give me a mild rebuke and I'll happily delete it. I'm aware that NS is a victim too but like I said in an earlier post, it's more so other forum members can see what kind of family life both NS and Tia grew up with on that estate.


http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...e_archive/?id=41830+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

How many druggies has NS gone out with? That's two so far that we know of, so the theory that Tia possibly found and used some illegal drugs whilst in SH's care is a possibility.

Not only that, but if you go out with drug dealers, then its not unlikely that you are going to be doing drugs yourself. Just my opinion obviously.

Its too late for poor Tia, but I hope her little brothers might be rescued from this awful upbringing now.

 

[India99]

How many druggies has NS gone out with? That's two so far that we know of, so the theory that Tia possibly found and used some illegal drugs whilst in SH's care is a possibility.

Not only that, but if you go out with drug dealers, then its not unlikely that you are going to be doing drugs yourself. Just my opinion obviously.

Its too late for poor Tia, but I hope her little brothers might be rescued from this awful upbringing now.

Its very rare that drug dealers are addicts but not rare for addicts to become smalltime dealers if that makes sense.

And i would imagine that she went out with a few as drug dealers are never short of money are they.

 

[nao]

Being he's a heavy drinker, he could of had a black out, come out of the blackout or woken up to a dead child, and not know what happened. Or because he gets blackouts, someone else could of done the deed and told him he did kill her. DNA is important in this case. But i know people that become violent when drinking, but are good people when not under the influence. I think he does not know what happened. i believe he really really cared for Tia. Dos'nt make any less dead thou.
JMO MOO

 

[YidArmyRach]

I can understand that. Faced with having to choose between having your daughter travel somewhere without a phone and doing without your own phone for a weekend, I can see why she would lend TS her own phone

If it was me, I'd have dropped her off myself, or traveled with her.

I'd never lend my phone to my children as 1) if they were in any trouble, I'd be the first person they would want to call .... and they wouldn't be able to if they had my phone 2) I wouldn't trust my children not to lose or break it and 3) I wouldn't want the confusion of my friends possibly phoning or texting me and wondering why I didn't reply etc, or me missing an important message.

I do think that if she did borrow her mum's phone, then the idea that SH was texting who he thought was NS is a good suggestion. If he had been sending "dodgy" texts and arranged to meet up at the tram/bus stop or Co-op - he may only have realised it was Tia when he got there?

Still doesn't explain how she ended up dead though.