GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #3

[laserdisc10]

But at that point, Tia was only an hour late. Why would Hazell think that CS would have searched the loft so quickly?

Good chance he was paranoid, even without drugs

 

[MobyBluff]

@ Moby

What you've suggested within your recent posts is certainly possible, imo

I feel more likely than "let's go to the fair 3 miles away to see if she is there". Why the fair? There's the cinema, bowling alleys, parks etc all just as local. If they were going to be seen out searching why did they choose the fair? Tie this is with the close proximity of the travellers to the family home and you have a more likely reason right in front of you......

 

[laserdisc10]

But at that point, Tia was only an hour late. Why would Hazell think that CS would have searched the loft so quickly?

Can't edit without it creating duplicates so have to post the edit to suggest

SH may not have had a licence (for various reasons)

SH may not be able to drive

CS may not let him take her vehicle under any circumstance

 

[Clio]

But at that point, Tia was only an hour late. Why would Hazell think that CS would have searched the loft so quickly?

I don't know. Maybe the loft is rarely used and he was afraid she might notice something looked different? People seem troubled as to why one of them didn't stay in the house in case TS came home. I just offered it as a possible suggestion as to why they both went looking for her.

 

[YidArmyRach]

This whole family is guilty to a degree, as this 12 yr old girl should have been protected by all of them. IMO, it is the fathers duty to ensure that his daughter is being protected as she should. If I was a man, I would fight tooth and nail for custody of my kids before I would allow them to sleep under the roof of another mans house,with or without their mother. Accidents can happen, and child molesters do not always have a telling look about them. .

Whilst I agree with you that the whole family are guilty of failing to give Tia the care and supervision she deserved, I feel the bold bit is a bit harsh. There are plenty of decent men out there, who take on other mens' children and bring them up as their own, without there being any horrible ulterior motive.

In my own case, I have 4 children with my ex husband (who is still on the scene and sees them every week - and has done ever since we split up 9 years ago). However, I have a new partner who has been in my life for the past 7 years, and I have left my children with him overnight on many occasions. He regularly cooks for them, gives them lifts and even takes them on days out without me. And, on the other side, his son (with me) sometimes stays overnight with my Ex, along with his half-brothers.

 

[laserdisc10]

I feel more likely than "let's go to the fair 3 miles away to see if she is there". Why the fair? There's the cinema, bowling alleys, parks etc all just as local. If they were going to be seen out searching why did they choose the fair? Tie this is with the close proximity of the travellers to the family home and you have a more likely reason right in front of you......

Why are we 'tying this with the close proximity of travellers to the family home' ? Has it been established the family was associated with travellers? Is it a rumour doing the rounds?

 

[soozieqtips]

Good chance he was paranoid, even without drugs

Yes, I'm sure he was. Goodness knows how he maintained his facade of 'caring' step-granddad when the rest of the family came to stay, and the police were in and out with sniffer dogs. That's an awful lot of pressure to be living under, and yet he managed to keep up the pretence throughout, even with the lies in the interview just the day before Tia was discovered. I guess with 30 convictions behind him (the ones we know of) he must be used to lying and manipulation to throw people off track. The stress on his face was no doubt because he was worried sick the body was going to be discovered any minute.

 

[Fluttershy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9479607/Police-still-unsure-how-Tia-Sharp-was-killed.html

A coroner opened an inquest into the death of schoolgirl Tia Sharp today where it was confirmed her body has now been formally identified.

No further details, including the cause of the 12-year-old's death, were given during the five-minute hearing.

 

[Cherwell]

People seem troubled as to why one of them didn't stay in the house in case TS came home.

An obvious answer is because they knew there was no point, and didn't give a thought to how it might look afterwards to other people? (That's assuming both were complicit at that point, of course.

 

[soozieqtips]

Whilst I agree with you that the whole family are guilty of failing to give Tia the care and supervision she deserved, I feel the bold bit is a bit harsh. There are plenty of decent men out there, who take on other mens' children and bring them up as their own, without there being any horrible ulterior motive.

In my own case, I have 4 children with my ex husband (who is still on the scene and sees them every week - and has done ever since we split up 9 years ago). However, I have a new partner who has been in my life for the past 7 years, and I have left my children with him overnight on many occasions. He regularly cooks for them, gives them lifts and even takes them on days out without me. And, on the other side, his son (with me) sometimes stays overnight with my Ex, along with his half-brothers.

I think the difference here is that Hazell had prior convictions for drug dealing, owning a machete, and was clearly a heavy drinker. I don't suppose your new partner is anything like that. All I know is that leaving a vulnerable 12-year-old completely on her own with someone with Hazell's history was unwise to say the least. Gran said Tia stayed with her a lot - but on this occasion, Gran wasn't even around so she was actually staying alone with Hazell.

I agree there are plenty of decent men out there. But I think most of us would agree that Hazell perhaps wasn't one of them.

 

[India99]

What is cctv like in the area?

surely if they did go check out the fun fair they would at least be seen once on a camera...if CS was driving I'm guessing there will be speed cameras at some point in the area so the car could be seen on that?

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they would have been caught on quite a few cameras but none of this seems to have been released to the public yet.

 

[laserdisc10]

Yes, I'm sure he was. Goodness knows how he maintained his facade of 'caring' step-granddad when the rest of the family came to stay, and the police were in and out with sniffer dogs. That's an awful lot of pressure to be living under, and yet he managed to keep up the pretence throughout, even with the lies in the interview just the day before Tia was discovered. I guess with 30 convictions behind him (the ones we know of) he must be used to lying and manipulation to throw people off track. The stress on his face was no doubt because he was worried sick the body was going to be discovered any minute.

Yep, role play. Most of us do it automatically and without realising it, at work and socially. Some are more adept than others. Quite possibly SH has been employing it most of his life, just to keep his head above water and a roof over his head, to keep from having his head kicked in and to stay out of prison, provide him with his daily needs and fix, modicum of respect and trust, etc. Sounds as if he drifted into an alternate reality where for a brief moment he was promoted to 'head of family' and able to portray himself as decent family guy on tv. All so sad

 

[MobyBluff]

Why are we 'tying this with the close proximity of travellers to the family home' ? Has it been established the family was associated with travellers? Is it a rumour doing the rounds?

It hasn't been established (as far as I know) that the family had connections with travellers, however, travellers are not all decent people, indeed they have quite a reputation for crime etc. Couple this with the fact that SH has over 30 convictions AND the proximity to Layhams Farm Road AND a trip to the funfair (when it's assumed he knew TS was dead) and it makes a great deal of sense.

On top of this if by this time CS was aware of the body (and perhaps if she wasn't) and it needed to be moved, what better way than to ask a traveller friend to help move the body in a car that is unlikely ever to be forensically tested?

Oh, and then he possibly felt he had to tell the world they went hunting in a funfair to find TS, (when there are plenty of more likely places a 12 year old girl could be....) as it was likely the car was on CCTV?

I'm actually convincing myself now......;-)

 

[India99]

As I mentioned before, I was in that area on that day and did stop near a fun fair, I was looking for a post office and the GPS in the car took me to a Cost Cutter shop adjacent to a fun fair (that looked lifeless to me). Could the Cost Cutter have CCTV? I would think that they would have.

inside they probably have , i doubt there would be one outside

 

[India99]

Heard some absolute horror rumours that are doing the rounds in the local area last night. Obviously I cannot put any of them into this arena but needless to say I am now convinced there is more to come and if any of these rumours are found to be true I will give up trying to understand society.

can you PM me with those details please

 

[Fluttershy]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tia-sharp-inquest-opened-into-12-year-olds-1263803

Detective Sergeant Eric Sword, of the Metropolitan Police's specialist crime operations unit based at Sutton, told the inquest that a post-mortem examination is still being carried out by a pathologist and is due to resume later today.

Asked by Coroner Roy Palmer if the body has now been formally identified, Mr Sword said: "From the checks that we have been able to carry out, yes."

"And that body is that of Tia Sharp?" the coroner asked.

"That is correct," he replied.

 

[Skigh]

Heard some absolute horror rumours that are doing the rounds in the local area last night. Obviously I cannot put any of them into this arena but needless to say I am now convinced there is more to come and if any of these rumours are found to be true I will give up trying to understand society.

That is a tantalising post!
Please could you send me a pm revealing all.

 

[Clio]

An obvious answer is because they knew there was no point, and didn't give a thought to how it might look afterwards to other people? (That's assuming both were complicit at that point, of course.

True. I just don't think it's fair to conclude CS was complicit (at that point) because one of them didn't stay to wait for TS.

 

[India99]

Well given the description of the area and what "activities" go on there I imagine the whole place would be covered in cameras.







You are such a tease :floorlaugh:
Pm me? I'm far too nosey.


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the area where the funfair is is a lot different to where the murder took place

 

[Cherwell]

On top of this if by this time CS was aware of the body (and perhaps if she wasn't) and it needed to be moved, what better way than to ask a traveller friend to help move the body in a car that is unlikely ever to be forensically tested?

This theory might be more convincing if the body was moved, but it clearly wasn't. At least not far, and not by car.