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[Bit of hope]

(I regret the delay in answering, I was a bit busy) I think it's good, I come from Mexico so I could help, unfortunately this missing person is the daily bread but at least if we can do something we will do it, I think it is necessary to have a Just aim to focus on finding that person, so tell me who do we start looking with?
(and don't worry about Spanish, I can help you a bit with that)

Don't worry about delays, everybody has a life besides Websleuths. Apart from that, I am on the other side of the ocean and in a completely different time zone. Would you like to work on this Jane Doe? **Warning post mortem photo at following link**
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Why her? Somehow I have the feeling life treated her "extra" bad. Or maybe find out if there is a link between this woman The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) and "Santos Mendoza Tenangueno".

 

[Angleterre]

I have a master list of Missing and Unidentified Persons Databases from around the world, and I add more as I find them: https://www.patreon.com/posts/34731670 (Everything is public and you don't have to join to see it.) I'll go through and see if I can find any more Mexican state databases tonight.

This is truly excellent @KaylaraOwl
You are a very thoughtful and compassionate person for engaging in this to help others. Thank you

 

[Angleterre]

I have a master list of Missing and Unidentified Persons Databases from around the world, and I add more as I find them: https://www.patreon.com/posts/34731670 (Everything is public and you don't have to join to see it.) I'll go through and see if I can find any more Mexican state databases tonight.

This is truly excellent @KaylaraOwl
You are a very thoughtful and compassionate person for engaging in this to help others. Thank you

 

[Bit of hope]

This is truly excellent @KaylaraOwl
You are a very thoughtful and compassionate person for engaging in this to help others. Thank you

It definitely is! @KaylaraOwl OT I can provide you with a good site for missing Albanians and Hungarians.

 

[JusticeVIII]

Don't worry about delays, everybody has a life besides Websleuths. Apart from that, I am on the other side of the ocean and in a completely different time zone. Would you like to work on this Jane Doe? **Warning post mortem photo at following link**
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Why her? Somehow I have the feeling life treated her "extra" bad. Or maybe find out if there is a link between this woman The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) and "Santos Mendoza Tenangueno".

I take it with great pleasure, I will give you reports on the investigation that I will begin

 

[Bit of hope]

I take it with great pleasure, I will give you reports on the investigation that I will begin

Great! Thank you very much upfront!

 

[JusticeVIII]

Great! Thank you very much upfront!

Hello I give you my report of these days.
the first person (the one that was found in los angeles) She was female in addition to the fact that her ethnicities were White / Caucasian, Hispanic / Latino. The name and surname are unknown, their age range was around 20 and 50, the estimated year of death was 2020, the post-death estimate was 5 hours from there on out there was nothing else, also I could not find something useful, any ideas?


The other case (that of Arizona) brought more things, despite the fact that the subject's face was unknown, some important belongings could be identified.
her sex was female, and their ethnicities were Hispanic / Latino.
his age was around 25 and 40 years old and also the body was found in 2014.
apparently his post-death lasted a week (curious)
his last coordinates were 31.778767, -111.396767 (I tried to access the coordinates through google maps, but my internet fails a lot and could not load the map, if someone could tell us what it was and what the area is like, I would really appreciate it) apparently they have not mapped those coordinates
and finally what caught my attention are the evidence of "others" apparently a person in that scene left his voter identification (here in Mexico help you to vote and identify who you are) Well, a person appears in the photo, I did not try to investigate the person in the photo but I will, ahors well with this we could hypothesize two things or that the one who appears in the photo is his attacker (although I doubt it because there is no report of him but we still leave the hypothesis) or it is from someone we know (although here we would have the same problem as the attacker) And finally (this occurred to me while I was writing) possibly it is from someone who was involved in the case (such as a companion, lover, son, etc.) but of something I am sure, that identification will help us a lot, and we also have that he carried a Catholic book with him (this may reinforce the hypothesis of the companion)
And that is all I have found out during these days, sorry if it is not much, the next report will have more, but if any of your hypotheses, ideas or tests that you have out there will help me

 

[Bit of hope]

Hello I give you my report of these days.
the first person (the one that was found in los angeles) She was female in addition to the fact that her ethnicities were White / Caucasian, Hispanic / Latino. The name and surname are unknown, their age range was around 20 and 50, the estimated year of death was 2020, the post-death estimate was 5 hours from there on out there was nothing else, also I could not find something useful, any ideas?

I searched for her in the databases KaylaraOwl provided. It's hard because there are many missing persons without a photo. I got as far as Guatemala, but I don't know if that is productive. Maybe we should search closer to "home".....Maybe she was on the streets/homeless. Lots of times, when people are transported to a hospital, the clothing description gets lost and often the clothing gave us hints about there living arrangements.

The other case (that of Arizona) brought more things, despite the fact that the subject's face was unknown, some important belongings could be identified.
her sex was female, and their ethnicities were Hispanic / Latino.
his age was around 25 and 40 years old and also the body was found in 2014.
apparently his post-death lasted a week (curious) I think it says "weeks" so she was deceased for a couple of weeks before she was found and to much decomposed to have a recognizable face.
his last coordinates were 31.778767, -111.396767 (I tried to access the coordinates through google maps, but my internet fails a lot and could not load the map, if someone could tell us what it was and what the area is like, I would really appreciate it) apparently they have not mapped those coordinates Here is a part of the map. I think she succumbed/or was attacked (and found) just after she crossed the USA border. It's mostly dessert. It looks like this. خرائط ‪Google‬‏‏

and finally what caught my attention are the evidence of "others" apparently a person in that scene left his voter identification (here in Mexico help you to vote and identify who you are) Well, a person appears in the photo, I did not try to investigate the person in the photo but I will, ahors well with this we could hypothesize two things or that the one who appears in the photo is his attacker (although I doubt it because there is no report of him but we still leave the hypothesis) or it is from someone we know (although here we would have the same problem as the attacker) And finally (this occurred to me while I was writing) possibly it is from someone who was involved in the case (such as a companion, lover, son, etc.) but of something I am sure, that identification will help us a lot, I'm not sure how this works. Do you know how difficult/easy it is to get false ID in Mexico? When people pay for help getting over the border does somebody arrange for false ID? In my mind if you find an ID you check that person out...everything is on the card...address, date of birth, name etc. and could potentially lead to a connection between this person and the UID. Sometimes they mention in the file that they have checked and the identity couldn't be confirmed. Does this mean that it's a false ID or that LE couldn't trace it back to a "real" person due to bureaucratic obstacles...It's pure curiosity about how that works in let's say Honduras for instance or Mexico? and we also have that he carried a Catholic book with him (this may reinforce the hypothesis of the companion) Good that you pointed this out to me, I missed that. Why do you think this strengthens the hypothesis of a companion? It could also be her own book or is the theme of the book more a male thing? I can look into that.
And that is all I have found out during these days, sorry if it is not much, the next report will have more, but if any of your hypotheses, ideas or tests that you have out there will help me

I see now that I responded in your post between the quotes (you have to click on it to open it)

 

[Giuc0]

Thank you! Good to know. @Dylansmom08 Did you invite them to come to this thread? Maybe it's a good idea to exchange info and to help each other.

It is a good idea!

My only issue is about the language, as most of them may struggle expressing themselves in English.

 

[Giuc0]

Sorry for being late in the party, but my plate was fuller than full!

I emailed "Hasta Encontrarlos" in Mexico and they replied. Unfortunately, they struggle to understand what exactly is Websleuths despite the link given and my explanations in Spanish.
I suspect that they struggle with English.

I speak enough Spanish to get by, but I'm struggling to explain in an understandable way what's exactly Websleuths.
Anyone whom Spanish is mother tongue can help me?

ETA: I have also their Whatsapp, but the time difference with Mexico means it's way too early to Whatsapp them.
In Central and Latam, if you don't have Whatsapp, you speak to nobody!

And typo: mixing up English with Spanish. Where did I put my English grammar?

 

[Bit of hope]

Sorry for being late in the party, but my plate was fuller than full!

I emailed "Hasta Encontrarlos" in Mexico and they replied. Unfortunately, they struggle to understand what exactly is Websleuths despite the link given and my explanations in Spanish.
I suspect that they struggle with English.

I speak enough Spanish to get by, but I'm struggling to explain in an understandable way what's exactly Websleuths.
Anyone whom Spanish is mother tongue can help me?

ETA: I have also their Whatsapp, but the time difference with Mexico means it's way too early to Whatsapp them.
In Central and Latam, if you don't have Whatsapp, you speak to nobody!

And typo: mixing up English with Spanish. Where did I put my English grammar?

Thank you Giuco...at least you gave it a try. I think @JusticeVIII has a Spanish mother tongue and is from Mexico. Also @annemc2 speaks Spanish. I can't help you with this I'm just starting to learn the basics along the way so that at least I can read it.

 

[Giuc0]

Sorry for my obsession about enforced disappearances, but the OHCHR released new guidelines about Covid19 & enforced disappearances: https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Disappearances/Guidelines-COVID19-EnforcedDisappearance.pdf


In this document, they have a specific set of guidelines about enforced disappearance in the context of migration:

Guideline 7 – Enforced disappearance of migrants should be prevented and terminated.

23. COVID-19 has created additional risks for migrants. Those who may have decided to migrate due to a risk of enforced disappearance face the closure of borders and the suspension of asylum procedures. Migrants also continue to risk enforced disappearance during their journey or upon arrival in their country of destination and forced returns have continued despite the pandemic, in violation of the principle of non-refoulement.

24. States remain strictly prohibited from expelling, returning or extraditing a person to another state where there are substantial grounds for believing that he or she would be in danger of being subjected to enforced disappearance (article 16 of the Convention and article 8 of the Declaration). The search and investigation into disappearances of migrants should continue without delay, with appropriate health precautions taken as required. Where migrants are deprived of their liberty, they should be registered and be able to communicate with their relatives, lawyers or representatives as well as be informed about their right to communicate with the consular authorities of their country of origin. States are urged to implement the recommendations contained in the Working Group’s report on enforced disappearances in the context of migration. States should also continue to cooperate with each other to assist victims of enforced disappearance to search for, locate and release disappeared persons, and
in fields
such as social welfare, financial matters, family law and property rights (article 24(6) of the
Convention), even more so in the context of the economic crisis resulting from the COVID-19
pandemic.
8 WGEID, General comment on women affected by enforced disappearances, A/HRC/WGEID/98/2, para 12

to return remains in case of death (article 15 of the Convention and article 2 of the Declaration).

Sorry, my copy-paste is not too great. But the report is a public one and I quoted the specific part relevant to our task.

 

[Giuc0]

For Alfredo Jímenez Mota, the journalist disappeared at Hermosillos: Disappearance of Alfredo Jiménez Mota - Wikipedia

Here are the circumstances of his disappearance. I quoted only the most relevant part for our search:

Prior to his disappearance, Jiménez Mota was investigating the government's involvement in drug trafficking in the region of Sinaloa and possible involvement with the Beltrán Leyva and Sinaloacartels, the latter involving drug lords Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada García and Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán. The United States Drug Enforcement Administration was also investigating drug trafficking into the US from this northern border region.[8] On April 2, 2005 Jiménez Mota was being followed and photographed, which led to him seeking refuge at Los Grillos, a restaurant at Hilalgo Square, until he could safely make his way back to his office. Prior to this incident he was receiving death threats from an unknown source which led to his vigilance on the job and in his personal life.[7] It was later this same evening when Jiménez Mota disappeared, never to be seen nor heard from again.[9]

[...]

During his investigations, Jiménez Mota caused a stir in the State Attorney General's office by his persistence. He also angered the Police Chief while examining connections between the department and local drug trafficking. There are conflicting accounts on what happened the evening Jiménez Mota went missing. In one account, there is a letter which states the remains of Jiménez Mota could be found in one of three "safe houses" in Villa Itson.[10][11] In another account, two women who claim to have been kidnapped but got away, say they overheard their captors speaking of Jiménez Mota being held at the same location prior to his execution.[12] The remains of Jiménez Mota have yet to be found, no perpetrators have been charged, and the case remains unsolved.[13]

The accounts are conflicting, but a letter recounted him being held in a "safe house" nearby Hermosillos.
The other is told by two ladies who escaped a kidnapping but heard about the journalist by their perpetrators.
There is no solid reliable account about his whereabouts after going missing AFAIK.

The problem is that the elements about his whereabouts are so contradictory that the most plausible is his remains being nearby Hermosillos, but as he was working about drug trafficking between Mexico and the US, we can't rule-out he has been dumped in the US.

I have not found his vital statistics apart his DOB and age when missing.
He's not on Doe Network.


I don't feel comfortable to call his family and the data I found didn't mention any vital statistic useful for comparing potential matches. No height, no weight, no particular signs.... Zlitch, nada.
Maybe I can reach his collegues who worked with him? I don't know what to do with this situation.


This case is a pet of mine because it's a typical case of enforced disappearance and we can't rule out his remains being dumped in the US to impede ID.


ETA: more info about him on the CPJ page, Comité de Protection des Journalistes: Alfredo Jiménez Mota - Committee to Protect Journalists
The police linked his disappearance with his work as a journalist but since then, nothing has evolved.
Still no vital statistics. Sight!
The Mexican RNPED doesn't yield any result RNPED

 

[annemc2]

@Giuc0 is there something specific that you wanted to put into Spanish? Or more just like explain what happens at WS in general and expand upon this particular thread? If you already have it in English I could do my best to translate and if not, I might be able to rub together a few brain cells later today and come up with something!

Are you connecting with them primarily via the gmail address on their website or via WhatsApp? It's funny, I have only used WhatsApp with friends from Mexico and my sister, who lives in El Paso, uses it a lot more because they're right on the border. If you're just messaging via WhatsApp (as opposed to doing video calls) it's just a text that they can look at or respond to whenever it's convenient, so I wouldn't feel really bad texting at odd hours, unless they primarily use this account for urgent situations.

And just to clarify, they are based in Colombia, right?

 

[Giuc0]

"Hasta Encontrarlos" exists in Mexico too. Not only in Colombia.
I connect with the Mexican "Hasta Encontrarlos" via Whatsapp.

I realized that the email was sent to another association. Cortison doesn't help with sharp brain cells!

I finally omitted the Websleuths part.

Meanwhile, on this link, I found a few vital statistics: Alfredo Jiménez Mota
The blog itself copied an article from another paper in 2005, but I found this interesting tidbit:

Corpulento y vistoso –mide 1.85 metros y pesa 110 kilos– sus amigos le dicen Alfredón.

He was 1,85m and 110kg at the time of disappearance. His friends nicknamed him "Alfredón".

However, I haven't found any particular signs that can help with matching.

Finding informations for comparing matches yields to very limited results.
And there are interesting tidbits about his personality: he was politically moderate and was active at his church.

Ok, now I must convert 1.85m and 110kg in imperial measurments. Easier said than done!

How do I enter said data on NamUS as they don't work in metrics?

 

[annemc2]

Alfredón would be like someone calling him "Big Alfred" in English. He has a large/heavy body and stands out in a crowd (corpulento y vistoso). He's about 6 feet tall and around 242 lbs.

Conversely the "ito" suffix is used for the diminutive form, so Little Alfred would be Alfredito.

 

[Giuc0]

This one in Spanish, I understand, thank you

Thank you for the height and weight translation.
So, I can enter data like 5'6 and 6'1 and for his weight, between 210 and 270lbs?
I am getting quite confused with the search engine on NamUS

 

[annemc2]

I think that would be a good range. I don't have any idea how the inputting works but thanks for working on it!

 

[JusticeVIII]

I see now that I responded in your post between the quotes (you have to click on it to open it)

>I searched for her in the databases KaylaraOwl provided. It's hard because there are many missing persons without a photo. I got as far as Guatemala, but I don't know if that is productive. Maybe we should search closer to "home".....Maybe she was on the streets/homeless. Lots of times, when people are transported to a hospital, the clothing description gets lost and often the clothing gave us hints about there living arrangements.
It may be, I will investigate about the clothes to see what I can find
>think it says "weeks" so she was deceased for a couple of weeks before she was found and to much decomposed to have a recognizable face.
rather, sorry, my mistake
>Do you know how difficult/easy it is to get false ID in Mexico?
It is very difficult, but it can be easily found in certain sectors of the country, but in itself to find those sectors is difficult.
>In my mind if you find an ID you check that person out...everything is on the card...address, date of birth, name etc. and could potentially lead to a connection between this person and the UID. Sometimes they mention in the file that they have checked and the identity couldn't be confirmed. Does this mean that it's a false ID or that LE couldn't trace it back to a "real" person due to bureaucratic obstacles
It is almost instinctive that when you find something like that, you already have a great view, the problem is that nothing about that person appears in the report, in addition to the fact that the ID they censor the information they carry so it is difficult to know, I doubt very much that it is Due to bureaucratic obstacles, I am going to make it false, but take into account that here, it is difficult to get a false one, it is easier to steal it from someone.
>t's pure curiosity about how that works in let's say Honduras for instance or Mexico?
I don't really know how to answer this, but I will try with what I understood.
Around here in Mexico you must reach the age of majority, when you have it you can vote, drive or buy alcohol or tobacco legally, only that to get it you need to do your military service (this lasts 2 or 3 months) only that people do not want to do it so sometimes they do a lottery to avoid military service (if you ask me it is very stupid) and that's it
>Good that you pointed this out to me, I missed that. Why do you think this strengthens the hypothesis of a companion? It could also be her own book or is the theme of the book more a male thing? I can look into that.

You're welcome, I appreciate it, because to see the hypothesis it sounds far-fetched but sometimes when people have a Catholic book it is so that their trip goes well and nothing happens. The book would be good to investigate, but it should not be given as much importance as the ID is, the book is "Dan Juan de los romanos" it's a gospel

 

[JusticeVIII]

by the way a question how do I make the text blue? I'm new so I don't know much