Upcoming Trial - 2012

[Cammy]

So, Jason was still seeing Julie Tyndale when Michelle lost her apartment and moved in with him and Ryan in their rental. Prosecution tried to make that sound like Jason and Michelle were exclusive and he was cheating.

Now she's after the money ... he had 70k income plus commissions and she had 60k.

Prosecution suggesting that Michelle wanted to sell the investment property ... Jason claims it was a sound investment. Jason's online gambling was a problem and a source of a couple of arguments.

Prosecution alleges that there were difficulties in the Linda Fisher relationship ... suggesting that Jason objected to Ms Fisher coming, staying and voicing opinions about how things had to be. Prosecution alleges that Jason was adamently opposed to Ms Fisher moving into the family home.

That seems normal. Who would tolerate their mother in law permanently moving into the matrimonial home ... especially with such a young family.

The cross examination is ridiculous. The prosecution asks Jason if he was ever violent with a woman and he asks if she's referring to the Cargyle incident. She says no, but does he ever remember being with Cargyle and punching the window. He already answered that one.

The whole case has been like this.
Jason knew LE would be coming after him from the start.

Just because he was "approx" 3 hours away wasn't going to mean anything.
So, what does he do the days before and leading up to Michelle's murder?
He is either on the phone or texting up a storm with Michelle Money, who he is having an affair with.
Not too bright.

He and Michelle are known for the arguments, so he could have put on a real affectionate show in front of Shelly Schaad before he left.
Like waiting on Michelle, hugging her, talking about the baby, etc, and having dinner with them....(SS had brought takeout)

But, what does he do? He says he is ging to go eat at Cracker Barrel on his way, which he does!!
Video shows him there........and get this.

If we use Jason's departure from Raleigh at approx 7:35 or so, and he is at CB from 9M-9:30PM, and arrives at the hotel checkout around 10:54, his travel time is 3 hours and 20 minutes......


3 hours+20 minutes
minus- 30 minute dinner stop
______________________________
2 hours and 50 minutes of driving time

Then you total all the miles he was supposed to drive,
170 to Hillsville
170 back to Raleigh
170 back to Hillsville
___________
510 miles
+145 miles to Clintwood (his meeting)
________
655 miles

The medical director he was meeting with could have used one word to describe him, exhausted, but she didn't.

Or, she could have said he had scratches on his face or hands, but,she didn't.

And, that would have been the most powerful damning physical evidence ever.

 

[Just the Fax]

It's hard to argue about the setting of bond amounts in our justice system because I've seen them set at different levels for the same crime all my life.

I have seen a case where a father shook his 2-month-old child to death and was released on a $50,000 bond. I have seen a man who got into a fight with another man where there were no life-threatening injuries sit in jail because he couldn't post his $100,000 bond.

What can I say about bond setting except that there seems to be no hard and fast rules, and most of the time it is left up to the discretion of the judge.

It doesn't matter if the bond was $50,000 or $5,000,000. If granted bail, the amount has nothing to do with the chance of guilt, it is the likelihood the defendant will flee before trial. Though he researched Eric Rudolph, I never thought he was a flight risk.

 

[tarheel8600]

It doesn't matter if the bond was $50,000 or $5,000,000. If granted bail, the amount has nothing to do with the chance of guilt, it is the likelihood the defendant will flee before trial. Though he researched Eric Rudolph, I never thought he was a flight risk.

I never thought he was a flight risk either. He couldn't support himself, and JY is not likely to want to live like a hobo. Plus, he needs good-looking women in his life. Not much chance of that happening when he's reduced to eating out of trash cans and staying under bridges.

 

[Just the Fax]

I would love to know the details of getting the life policy.
The 2/2008 SW detailed death certificates and other estate paperwork taken from Pat's house.
Wonder if he actually tried to claim it and was told he needed to be deposed?
Or, was that a given, so he didn't even bother?

 

[tarheel8600]

I would love to know the details of getting the life policy.
The 2/2008 SW detailed death certificates and other estate paperwork taken from Pat's house.
Wonder if he actually tried to claim it and was told he needed to be deposed?
Or, was that a given, so he didn't even bother?

Interesting. I didn't know that.

I don't think there was a chance in hell that he would have gotten the life insurance because he was a person of interest/suspect in the murder of his wife.

I remember when Nortel had to settle with Michael Peterson's stepdaughter because they had paid out life insurance or 401k to Michael Peterson before the case was settled.

 

[Just the Fax]

Interesting. I didn't know that.

I don't think there was a chance in hell that he would have gotten the life insurance because he was a person of interest/suspect in the murder of his wife.

I remember when Nortel had to settle with Michael Peterson's stepdaughter because they had paid out life insurance or 401k to Michael Peterson before the case was settled.

Oh yea, he almost immediately got his hands on MY's 401-K from Progress Energy.

 

[NCEast]

Nothing new to see here, move along.....

I agree. Seems the same arguments are being made on a daily, hourly, basis. It's tiresome, I'm moving along as well.

 

[tarheel8600]

Indeed, the fact that there was tooth fragments not collected is yet another example of a shoddy investigation. What if the tooth fragments belonged to the killer? I wonder if they even tested it for DNA. They also didn't bother to do a rape kit even though it was requested. Such shoddiness isn't fair to the victim.

The prosecution paid for the DNA analysis and presented expert testimony about the cigarettes so they must not share the opinion that it was planted evidence.

JMO

:floorlaugh:

 

[Just the Fax]

I don't know tarheel, looks like that hillbilly meth mouth may have a broken tooth or 2.

:biggrin:

 

[otto]

The handprint on the pipe did not match Jason's prints, and
the agent who testified about the rock said it was nowhere near a match.
Now, I have one for you.....
It is being said that Jason left the hotel with gloves, gloves he must have
packed in his luggage , so, let me ask you this.
The gloves were supposed to be used in the murder, I guess, although Jason would have gloves in the garage when he got back home, or in his car, like the "glove compartment", but, lets say he had the gloves when he was leaving....
Wouldn't he use them to pick up the rock or anything else around the hotel that he was going to touch that he didn't want his prints on?
What was the point in bringing the gloves in the hotel otherwise?

One would expect that since he had gloves, everything he touched during the crime would not contain evidence of him.

What I'm beginning to wonder is if the DNA on the bottle cap excluded Jason, the evidence on the jewelry box excludes Jason, the print on the pipe excludes Jason ... why isn't he excluded? The DNA that is available excludes him, yet police have chosen to ignore that DNA and instead focus on DNA that excludes no one.

 

[otto]

Yes, it does matter. It has been posted that the evidence in this case can't be trusted because of a corrupt crime lab. I want to know what blood evidence was presented in this trial that MyBelle thinks was corrupted?

I would assume that everything coming out of the lab is suspicious and potentially agenda driven.

 

[Just the Fax]

I would assume that everything coming out of the lab is suspicious and potentially agenda driven.

Well good, cause that same SBI lab produced the unknown DNA from the cig butts.

I am happy to throw all the lab evidence out, how about you?

 

[otto]

Well good, cause that same SBI lab produced the unknown DNA from the cig butts.

I am happy to throw all the lab evidence out, how about you?

Are there any cases where the lab misled the court or falsely represented evidence to give an advantage to the person that police and prosecution wanted to see convicted? If not, I don't see any reason to ignore evidence that doesn't support the prosecution's theory. The problem with the lab has been that the corruption always supported the prosecution and investigators.

 

[Just the Fax]

One would expect that since he had gloves, everything he touched during the crime would not contain evidence of him.

What I'm beginning to wonder is if the DNA on the bottle cap excluded Jason, the evidence on the jewelry box excludes Jason, the print on the pipe excludes Jason ... why isn't he excluded? The DNA that is available excludes him, yet police have chosen to ignore that DNA and instead focus on DNA that excludes no one.

Well, we know the print on the pipe excludes JLY...Elmer already said he grabbed it for balance when he fixed the camera. I'm sure his DNA has now been tested

The bottle cap? Could have been many different possibilities., including the clerk or anyone that handled samples before JLY. Just because he left no DNA does not mean he never touched the cap.

The jewelry box had a mixture of DNA and JLY could not be excluded. Lab Corp results changed that, but it does not trump the original testing that showed a different result. I imagine we will see a 3rd test soon.

 

[Just the Fax]

Are there any cases where the lab misled the court or falsely represented evidence to give an advantage to the person that police and prosecution wanted to see convicted? If not, I don't see any reason to ignore evidence that doesn't support the prosecution's theory. The problem with the lab has been that the corruption always supported the prosecution and investigators.

What lab results did the state use in their case that pointed to JLY?
Throw them all out.....blood / DNA evidence is not critical to the case.

 

[Madeleine74]

A print matching JY about 18" - 20" from the floor, next to his closet was found. What is important about this particular print is that MY's blood is cast off and sprayed around that print, but not found on the print.

Meaning?

JY had his hand on that wall and he was bent over and beating the remaining life out of his wife. Her cast off blood flew hither 'n yon, got onto the wall where he had his hand, but did not get on the portion of the wall where his hand was covering it.

 

[Just the Fax]

A print matching JY about 18" - 20" from the floor, next to his closet was found. What is important about this particular print is that MY's blood is cast off and sprayed around that print, but not found on the print.

Meaning?

JY had his hand on that wall and he was bent over and beating the remaining life out of his wife. Her cast off blood flew hither 'n yon, got onto the wall where he had his hand, but did not get on the portion of the wall where his hand was covering it.

Agree....but I am willing to let that go.
Sooo much more that nails him to the wall.

 

[Grammy Jean]

The whole case has been like this.
Jason knew LE would be coming after him from the start.

Just because he was "approx" 3 hours away wasn't going to mean anything.
So, what does he do the days before and leading up to Michelle's murder?
He is either on the phone or texting up a storm with Michelle Money, who he is having an affair with.
Not too bright.

He and Michelle are known for the arguments, so he could have put on a real affectionate show in front of Shelly Schaad before he left.
Like waiting on Michelle, hugging her, talking about the baby, etc, and having dinner with them....(SS had brought takeout)

But, what does he do? He says he is ging to go eat at Cracker Barrel on his way, which he does!!
Video shows him there........and get this.

If we use Jason's departure from Raleigh at approx 7:35 or so, and he is at CB from 9M-9:30PM, and arrives at the hotel checkout around 10:54, his travel time is 3 hours and 20 minutes......


3 hours+20 minutes
minus- 30 minute dinner stop
______________________________
2 hours and 50 minutes of driving time

Then you total all the miles he was supposed to drive,
170 to Hillsville
170 back to Raleigh
170 back to Hillsville
___________
510 miles
+145 miles to Clintwood (his meeting)
________
655 miles

The medical director he was meeting with could have used one word to describe him, exhausted, but she didn't.

Or, she could have said he had scratches on his face or hands, but,she didn't.

And, that would have been the most powerful damning physical evidence ever.

So why in the world did he not stay at a hotel much closer to Clintwood???? Plenty of CE from that choice.

 

[Madeleine74]

Agree....but I am willing to let that go.
Sooo much more that nails him to the wall.

I'm not willing to let that go. That's the kind of evidence that is very hard to explain. Coincidence? No Way.

 

[Just the Fax]

I'm not willing to let that go. That's the kind of evidence that is very hard to explain. Coincidence? No Way.

Just for otto's sake....she said all lab results can't be trusted.