US threatens to annex Greenland - 2025/2026

[Summerliz03]

Greenland's Foreign Minister Cries Over U.S. During Interview - Charter'97 :: News from Belarus - Belarusian News - Republic of Belarus - Minsk

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[MrsWatson]

Some interesting background.

A brief history of US military bases in Greenland

How the Guardian reported the US military presence and establishment of airbases in the former Danish colony and county

www.theguardian.com

 

[seasideForest]

Merely an opinion, but we've seen a hard black & white divide within the US for a few year. Both political sides refuse a centrist position, both are determined to "win" at all cost.

My fear is not based just on the US atm! Altho Trump and his cronies both within and outside the US are certainly not helping! MOO

 

[seasideForest]

Merely an opinion indeed. Many of us did not vote for this.

I think that fact (that not all US-ians voted for Trump/Republicans) is generally known outside the US! I'm not in the US either.

I think @otto or CBC should have said something like: "Trump was elected because that is who a large percentage of the people of the US are today." My addition in italics. Then people can always discuss exactly how large that percentage is - 45%, 52%, 75% etc, if they want. I'm not suggesting that's the new topic of conversation on here.

That theory has been used before, outside the US too. I'm not going to list examples because I don't want to set off a discussion of all those other times in other countries.

 

[branmuffin]

Europe is very aware of their failings prior to WW2, and the mistake of appeasing aggressive authoritarian governments. Those lessons are not forgotten.

The EU knows from experience that conceding anything in relation to sovereign nations will enable and entitle the aggressor. The aggressive United States cannot continue to be treated as some sort of psychologically warbled nation where flattery of the president is the solution to absurd notions.

"On September 29–30, 1938, an international conference took place in Munich. The attendees were Chamberlain, Hitler, French Prime Minister Édouard Daladier, and Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. The Czechoslovak government was not included in the negotiations. In Munich, Chamberlain and the others agreed to the cession of the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia to Germany, effective October 1. In exchange for the Sudeten concessions, Hitler renounced any claims to the rest of Czechoslovakia. War was averted for the time being. The British, French, and Italians blatantly disregarded Czechoslovakia’s sovereignty in the name of avoiding war.

The Munich Agreement was Britain’s most significant act of appeasement to date.

Churchill claimed that the British policy of appeasement had “deeply compromised, and perhaps fatally endangered, the safety and even the independence of Great Britain and France.”

The Munich Agreement failed to stop Nazi Germany’s territorial aggression. In March 1939, Nazi Germany dismantled Czechoslovakia and occupied the Czech lands, including Prague. Based on Hitler’s rhetoric, it was clear that the Nazis’ next target was Poland, Germany’s neighbor to the east.

The British Policy of Appeasement toward Hitler and Nazi Germany | Holocaust Encyclopedia

In the 1930s, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and the British government pursued a policy of appeasement towards Nazi Germany to avoid war. Learn more.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

~ in my humble opinion ~​

Sudetenland was idea rather than a truly defined area within the borders of Germany pre-WW1. As a corollary it would be like saying, okay we'll give portions of Ontario to France because there's so many French speaking people who live within the boundaries. So it was easy for the Allies to cede it to Germany. The problem was the Versailles Treaty was too harsh on Germany and culminated in WW2. They took away Germany's industrial heartland in the Ruhr valley making it next to impossible (in the Allies eyes) to become a viable threat again. The Versailles agreement was so harsh the allies really believed that there was no way that Germany could ever be a military threat again. Yet they managed to create a standing army, had numerous shipbuilding and aircraft building capabilities as well as transforming companies like VW making 'the people's car' into an operation that was building treaded military vehicles. And they did it with input from Russian and American manufacturers. They did it in secret by having Germany's military on their side and the quiet approval of the German people whose lives had been in tatters for nearly 20 years.

Now the world is a much smaller place than it was nearly 90 years ago. We have so much technology that gives us up to the minute information (although sometimes we have to wade through the fake stuff) where countries are very aware when the drums of war start beating. It might be a happy beat at first but if the underlying motive is to take away something from someone under the guise of protection we are rightly suspicious and start making plans to subvert any kind of hostile or friendly takeover.

 

[seasideForest]

War sounds exciting to many in the US. It's great evening entertainment with live-stream protests and endless fighting, taunting, ridicule, name-calling, the usual oneupmanship with the occasional death. Everyone learns to chant with swearing every third word. That's what people outside the US see.

I don't see that actually, and I'm outside the US. I haven't heard in my circle of friends that anybody sees it quite that way either. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

"I don't think troops in Europe impact the president's decision-making process, nor does it impact his goal of the acquisition of Greenland at all," White House spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said.

Denmark's defence minister, Troels Lund Poulsen, said from Copenhagen that he did not have a final figure for the envisaged expansion of NATO's presence in Greenland.
"But it is clear that we now will be able to plan for a larger and more permanent presence throughout 2026 and that is crucial to show that security in the Arctic is not only for the Kingdom of Denmark, it is for all of NATO," he said.

In Nuuk, Greenland, business owner Mads Petersen said it would be strange to see more troops.
"I don't hope it is the new normal," he said.

White House shrugs off presence of European troops in Greenland

As European countries send small numbers of troops to Greenland, the White House says their presence will not affect US President Donald Trump's ambitions for the island.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

“The US should obtain military force to obtain new territory like Greenland and the Panama Canal.” Sixty-nine per cent of respondents disagreed; a mere 10 per cent agreed.

“Are you concerned that US efforts to acquire Greenland will damage the NATO alliance and US relationships with European allies?” Sixty-six per cent were concerned; 31 per cent were not.

Americans aggressively opposed to taking Greenland, polls show

 

[Inthedetails]

“The US should obtain military force to obtain new territory like Greenland and the Panama Canal.” Sixty-nine per cent of respondents disagreed; a mere 10 per cent agreed.

“Are you concerned that US efforts to acquire Greenland will damage the NATO alliance and US relationships with European allies?” Sixty-six per cent were concerned; 31 per cent were not.

Americans aggressively opposed to taking Greenland, polls show

Perhaps that will quell the opinion that Americans are enterained by the idea of military action. We are not.

jmopinion

 

[branmuffin]

They can't. NATO is anchored by us and would lose all power if they booted us. This whole situation is insane. There has been no real talk of Greenland as a potential security threat until now. Everyone knows this is really about natural resources.
The president campaigned in part on a promise not to engage in wars. Yet many or most of those who supported him are fine with his threats to take Greenland by force. This is a terrifying and dangerous situation.

In 1966 France kicked the US military out. They did it because Charles De Gaulle was the president at that time, and as a decorated military General remembered quite clearly what it was like to live under Nazi occupation and didn't want France to live under America's influence in NATO. In 2009, France rejoined NATO but has never invited the US back so there are still no US bases on French soil. So I can see in the not so distant future that some significant countries like the UK, Germany and Italy may decide they don't want nearly 100,000 US military members on their sovereign soil. All US military bases in Europe are there solely on the good graces of the host countries. Depending on the exigencies of what could transpire quickly with Trump and his threats the drawdown of US troops and equipment could echo what happened in Afghanistan in 2021.
One thing that the US and many Americans have never experienced in modern history is occupation and the destruction of their country during active wars. So far, the US has escaped that. Even the most famous example of overt military aggression toward the US was on Pearl Harbour in 1941 which wasn't even a state back then. They were annexed in 1898 when the US overthrew the monarchy. They took it by force not negotiation. Which sounds very similar to what Trump wants to do with Greenland.

 

[Stunned]

DBM

 

[branmuffin]

Yes it feels slightly unfair and unrealistic to say that the majority of Americans support Trump and the things that are happening in this country because it’s simply not the case. I’ve voted in every single election since the year 2000 when I was 18, local and national, and I have voted for Republicans and Democrats, I have been registered as a Democrat and as a Republican throughout the years. I have never cast a vote for Donald Trump and I don’t like anything that is happening in this country. It’s a shame that we only have 2 parties in this country and I would love it if that wasn’t the case because I think it would really help alleviate a lot of the decisiveness that has led us to this point. I also do not think Democrats are really the “good guys” in this country, but they are the lesser of 2 evils at this point. All MOO.

I agree. I also think there are too many people who have lost hope that America has their best interests at heart. It's played out every day now when everyday citizens are being accosted by government agencies demanding to see their papers. The US is a country of immigrants and nearly one third of Americans legally entitled to vote didn't cast one at all in the last election. That means it wasn't a majority at all who voted for Trump. When you lose hope you lose initiative.

 

[PrairieWind]

I am wondering if the sudden interest in Greenland, Denmark's comments about not being able to defend and now Germany potentially moving troops there evidences a year or so of intel indicating Russia or the PRC was about to make a move on Greenland. The Russian shadow fleet operations severing cables is very aggressive and we have seen the PRC pressing the arctic as well.

 

[Hexe]

I am wondering if the sudden interest in Greenland, Denmark's comments about not being able to defend

When and where did Denmark make such comments?

and now Germany potentially moving troops there evidences a year or so of intel indicating Russia or the PRC was about to make a move on Greenland.

Germans move their troops there in direct response to American threats.

Moo obviously.

 

[PrairieWind]

When and where did Denmark make such comments?




Germans move their troops there in direct response to American threats.

Moo obviously.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. There is a lot media hate for Trump but the actual nations are not that heated. Why is Greenland such a a hot topic all of a sudden. I think Russia was or is about to make a move.

 

[Hexe]

I don't think that makes any sense at all. There is a lot media hate for Trump but the actual nations are not that heated. Why is Greenland such a a hot topic all of a sudden.

Because of that:

President Donald Trump says the US needs to "own" Greenland to prevent Russia and China from doing so.

And...

The White House recently said the administration was considering buying the semi-autonomous territory of fellow Nato member Denmark, but it would not rule out the option of annexing it by force.

The US literally threatened with annexing Greenland by force. Sending troops there by other NATO members is not a heated reaction.

I think Russia was or is about to make a move.

Russia is a tad busy with the costly Ukrainian war right now. They cannot afford entering another conflict right now, especially not with whole NATO.

 

[Summerliz03]

Has this been posted yet?

New York congressman to visit Denmark as Trump pushes to acquire Greenland

Queens Rep. Gregory Meeks is part of a nine-person delegation.

ny1.com

Two Republican Senators Traveling to Denmark to Assure NATO Trump Won’t Take Greenland

Trump’s ongoing threats to acquire Greenland by anymeans necessary have led to strong division within his own party and anger across Europe.

www.yahoo.com

Their visit is tomorrow, I will keep looking for updates.

Edit to add: it’s a group of 11 congressmen, 2 are republican and the rest are democrat. So it’s a bipartisan group.

 

[otto]

I am wondering if the sudden interest in Greenland, Denmark's comments about not being able to defend and now Germany potentially moving troops there evidences a year or so of intel indicating Russia or the PRC was about to make a move on Greenland. The Russian shadow fleet operations severing cables is very aggressive and we have seen the PRC pressing the arctic as well.

Not sure what political messaging is circulating South of the border, but in Canada there is no confusion regarding which country is threatening the Kingdom of Denmark and Greenland.

"Members of the[NATO] alliance are putting together a tripwire to try to deter Donald Trump, and what that tells you is we are very much in unprecedented times where we could very much be facing tomorrow, next week, next month American troops pointing their guns at Danish troops," said Steve Saideman, a political scientist who holds the Paterson Chair in International Affairs at Carleton University.

"It's to deter the United States from engaging in aggression. That's the only reason why they'd be there. And that sends a strong signal about the intense distrust and fear that these countries have of a country that's supposed to be their protector."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/denmark-greenland-trump-annexation-nato-9.7045838

 

[Deleted member 369619]

We already know which country is threatening Greenland and Denmark. And I hope to high heaven that Trump is deterred because the alternative is terrifying. MOO

 

[acutename]

In 1966 France kicked the US military out. They did it because Charles De Gaulle was the president at that time, and as a decorated military General remembered quite clearly what it was like to live under Nazi occupation and didn't want France to live under America's influence in NATO. In 2009, France rejoined NATO but has never invited the US back so there are still no US bases on French soil. So I can see in the not so distant future that some significant countries like the UK, Germany and Italy may decide they don't want nearly 100,000 US military members on their sovereign soil. All US military bases in Europe are there solely on the good graces of the host countries. Depending on the exigencies of what could transpire quickly with Trump and his threats the drawdown of US troops and equipment could echo what happened in Afghanistan in 2021.
One thing that the US and many Americans have never experienced in modern history is occupation and the destruction of their country during active wars. So far, the US has escaped that. Even the most famous example of overt military aggression toward the US was on Pearl Harbour in 1941 which wasn't even a state back then. They were annexed in 1898 when the US overthrew the monarchy. They took it by force not negotiation. Which sounds very similar to what Trump wants to do with Greenland.

there is already a US base in Greenland. Why not just work with that? Why all this hostility/demands/threats? I really do not understand why there isn't just more diplomacy.