UT - 3 males charged with following 17-year old girl in vehicle for miles before shooting her to death - CEDAR CITY 1/17/25

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Honest to god, i look at this chump’s photo in the context of his purported rationale for this murder, and I just can’t help but think of an adage attributed to Margaret Atwood that I suspect is probably more relevant to this case than the assassins’ fear that the victims were “stalking” them:

“Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”​


LOVE that quote.
 
  • #23
“Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”
@realanastasia

This is a striking and unfortunately true statement.

This murder is utterly berserk. Four men in their early 20s stalk and kill a girl who likely knew nothing about them. Just trying to go out with her friend to enjoy a bonfire, and is slaughtered due to their group paranoia.

I don’t want to throw around “incel” but that’s what it may be. Perhaps she was a popular girl who one or more of them felt had disregarded them.

I’m just grasping here. I know the article said they didn’t know each other and it’s just about the men’s insane perception.

How dare he write to Kaylee’s mother to rationalize how he murdered her daughter.

JMO
 
  • #24
Forgive me, but, after seeing a pictures in various articles, there is no way this beautiful young woman was following these revolting morons for any reason.
 
  • #25
This tragedy reminds me of another one
where 3 young guys threw rocks at drivers killing a woman.
Senseless death of Alexa Bartell.

The perps were driving aimlessly looking for victims to throw heavy rocks at.

It was their idea of sick fun.

RIP to the victim of the present tragedy :(

JMO
 
  • #26
This doesn't sound right at all. I think that there is some sort of other connection or back story here.
 
  • #27
I don't believe the shooter and his friends' account. The vehicle in the lead is the stalkee, the vehicle at the rear is the stalker. If you think you're being stalked by people in the vehicle in front of you, you're either nuts, or on drugs, or are lying. For heaven's sake, just turn around and go the other way.
 
  • #28
This doesn't sound right at all. I think that there is some sort of other connection or back story here.
I've seen comments saying Cedar City is small, it wouldn't be unusual to see or run into a vehicle frequently. KayLee drove a red truck, so you're going to notice that moreso than a white truck for instance. The family lived in the general vicnity of the complex, so likely saw her truck daily driving by. Sometimes the truth really is stranger than fiction ...

These guys were weirdo gamers (MOO), paranoid likely due to drug use, who all lived together. Whatever the back story is with these four, it had nothing to do with KayLee - IMO.
 
  • #29
Don’t believe what they’re selling.

See ya boys. You not only took the life of a young girl but you destroyed your own.

Unbelievable

MOO
 
  • #30
Don’t believe what they’re selling.

See ya boys. You not only took the life of a young girl but you destroyed your own.

Unbelievable

MOO
Not even boys. Fully grown men.
 
  • #31
yeah I feel like these guys were complete trash humans to begin with but the fact LE found weed AND shroom paraphernalia makes me think these delightful scumbags smoked themselves stupid.

don't wanna derail but I am a major proponent for THC as a therapeutic and as a potential alternative to drinking culture, but the incredibly concentrated products on the market are vastly misunderstood by the party dipstick crowd and education on it is even worse than alcohol education.

That said, correct me if I'm wrong (I don't fully understand the charges laid) but these half-bit quarter-wit pencil-neck small-fish-in-a-small-pond alfalfa-male wannabe dweebs weren't supposed to have a firearm to begin with? But they still procured one nonetheless. You don't smoke yourself so stupid that you procure an illegal firearm, you procure an illegal firearm because you suck and you think it makes you a big man. Hell, I know stoners who are proud (legal) firearm owners, the very idea of retrieving their firearm while high gives them paranoia, because they went through the proper channels and were made to understand what it meant to own a firearm.
 
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This case perfectly illustrates for me the whole man vs bear decision that trended last year.
 
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This case perfectly illustrates for me the whole man vs bear decision that trended last year.

I didn't know about the Man or Bear debate. Oddly, this very thing came up when I was in college in the 80s. I was working in a plant nursery and was a fair way off from the rest of the workers in a particularly remote area. I heard movement and shuffling around so I immediately left the area to join the other workers. My supervisor said "oh come on, you aren't afraid of a bear are you?" I said "no, I'm afraid it's a man."

No doubt a bear would not have harmed these poor girls.
 
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Fate. Any one of those young men, could have been home, studying, or at work, or just watching tv, instead of driving around with a friend, getting high, and getting involved in a shooting.
 
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I don't believe the shooter and his friends' account. The vehicle in the lead is the stalkee, the vehicle at the rear is the stalker. If you think you're being stalked by people in the vehicle in front of you, you're either nuts, or on drugs, or are lying. For heaven's sake, just turn around and go the other way.

previous to that they thought her truck had followed them to the same apartment complex (I think is what they were referring to)
 
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  • #39
From my observations of this case, I am unable to include the possible or apparent use of drugs, marijuana, or even alcohol as a factor or contributing factor. Sorry, no sympathy for these four. None.

Many individuals use such materials, recreationally, or abuse them even to a point of paranoia, addiction, or worse. But they don’t rise to doing what these four are accused of having done.

Including such topics in a conversation of this case IMO only tends to distract from the horrid acts and gives only ‘excuses’ or ‘reasons’. Neither is valid nor relevant IMO.

It is apparent they had no reason to have a vehicle, a firearm, or anything else for that matter. How they got the weapons is critical. Who owned them? Who owned the vehicle they were in? Did they have phones or electronic devices? What do they reveal? Were they tampered with to conceal incriminating evidence?

A young lady is now gone, apparently at their hand. And IIUC an individual accompanying her is like forever traumatized.

As some would contend…… these four IMO belong under the next jail being built in their territory. Their conduct and behavior is reprehensible. MOO
 
  • #40
I lived in Cedar City, UT for a few years. Ironically, I was working on a research project regarding crime in Cedar City, and residents perception of safety. The paper is buried somewhere at Southern Utah State University. It would be interesting for some student to unearth that, and do the same survey now, 40 years later.
 

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