Found Deceased UT-5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley Found Deceased (UNCLE ARRESTED) #4

[JustEve]

(Sigh) I have seen a psychiatrist since age 11 for depression. When my mom would get mad at me, she would tell me that I need to go see my "crazy doctor".

Adults are often aholes to children for some reason. Easy targets, I guess?

I am so sorry.

 

[MsBetsy]

Personally, if AW did do any other crimes against Elizabeth Shelley, I for one, would hope that out of respect for the family, that the information is not made public.

Partially, because there may be a genre of people who really want to know those details. And why feed them...

He is charged with Capital Murder, and a bunch of other crimes, but the Capital Murder is enough to keep him LWOP.

Yeah, I have a feeling LE will try to avoid releasing any more details to the public. What we know already is bad enough. We can speculate that it was a violent, brutal crime just knowing what the evidence is. Imo

 

[JustEve]

I believe JW, DB, and infant are lucky that AW didn't slit all their throats that evening -- he was clearly capable of doing so.

You are so right! I was asking myself few times why did he choose Lizzy over infant.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Yes and with Lizzie being carried tracking next to impossible. As far as killer goes there would not be an item available to get a good enough scent. Weather etc. so much was against the dogs.

More dumb luck.

 

[tlcya]

From the probable cause document:

"Jessica stated she began communicating with Alexander via Facebook Messenger and invited him to her residence."

https://gephardtdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/Whipple_PC.pdf

I am not sure how to read that. I think it is poorly written by whoever prepared the PC statement - She may have started talking to him that day via Facebook messenger but that doesn't mean to me that she had not previously been in communication with him. It may just be worded awkwardly. If I remember right AW's stepgrandfather has stated that AW was in and out of communication with family and that family had tried to help him when possible. It sounds to me like AW was a relative who would pop up and then disappear for a while and then pop up again. So he may not have been around or responsive to family for days or weeks and then bam there he was responding again on messenger.

My point, I don't take the PC statement saying Lizzie's mom "began" communicating with AW that day to mean she hadn't been in communication with him previously.

 

[Trudie]

Yeah, I have a feeling LE will try to avoid releasing any more details to the public. What we know already is bad enough. We can speculate that it was a violent, brutal crime just knowing what the evidence is. Imo

Agree. Just get him to plead guilty and ship him to the DOC orientation program where he will be introduced to his new life, the life he chose.
He’ll quickly learn not one person cares about him or his welfare in the state system-the attention, interrogation, visits from LE/attys, welfare checks all go away. He truly becomes a number. How he chooses to do his time is up to him. He has the rest of his life to figure that out.

 

[Miigo]

Yes and with Lizzie being carried tracking next to impossible. As far as killer goes there would not be an item available to get a good enough scent. Weather etc. so much was against the dogs.

His hat!!

 

[Bravo]

His hat!!

Did he leave that behind? I am forgetting so many details???

 

[Miigo]

I am not sure how to read that. I think it is poorly written by whoever prepared the PC statement - She may have started talking to him that day via Facebook messenger but that doesn't mean to me that she had not previously been in communication with him. It may just be worded awkwardly. If I remember right AW's stepgrandfather has stated that AW was in and out of communication with family and that family had tried to help him when possible. It sounds to me like AW was a relative who would pop up and then disappear for a while and then pop up again. So he may not have been around or responsive to family for days or weeks and then bam there he was responding again on messenger.

My point, I don't take the PC statement saying Lizzie's mom "began" communicating with AW that day to mean she hadn't been in communication with him previously.

IMO I believe it is worded like that to illustrate that is was JW who initiated contact with AW that night via FB messenger, not the other way around

 

[Miigo]

Did he leave that behind? I am forgetting so many details???

Yes, his phone, hat and board were left behind because he “didn’t need them” according to the documents released yesterday

 

[Bravo]

Yes, his phone, hat and board were left behind because he “didn’t need them” according to the documents released yesterday

Thanks. I remember the phone and board but forgot the hat. I am sure LE tried to track him with that item.

 

[lucylulu]

Hello
I would like to thank everyone that has posted on the threads for ES.
While I have been busy at work, I was able to keep up with the developments of the case through your hard work and diligence.
Needless to say, the outcome is was, more than likely, what we all expected but, not what we were hoping for.
Again, thank you for posting the information you gathered in your sleuthing.
I have only recently been approved and am looking forward to being a contributing member.

Welcome @BaileeRyce! So glad you joined us!

 

[alwaysonmymind]

It sounds like AW was zig zagging around as he was getting rid of evidence. Maybe intersecting / overlapping scent trails could’ve confused the dogs?

 

[lucylulu]

Did he leave that behind? I am forgetting so many details???

Yes, including his skateboard and phone. Moo

 

[lucylulu]

New one- Podcast
5 year old Lizzy disappears from her own bed, "uncle" draws map to her dead body 5 year old Lizzy disappears from her own bed, "uncle" draws map to her dead body

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
5 year old Lizzy disappears from her own bed, "uncle" draws map to her dead body
5-year old, Elizabeth Shelley, disappears from her bedroom in the middle of the night. The frantic search ends in tragedy, as her body is found in a wooded area just a block from her home.

Only one person knew where to find her, a close relative, who offered up information in exchange for no death penalty.

Nancy's expert panel weighs in:

Joseph Scott Morgan: Forensics expert, and author of “Blood Beneath My Feet”

Dr. Michelle Dupre: Medical Examiner

Kathleen Murphy: Family Attorney

Ellen Killoran: Crimeonline.com investigative reporter

 

[Bravo]

Yes, including his skateboard and phone. Moo

That I remembered but to be honest I didn't forget the hat I somehow totally missed it Lordy!

 

[Trudie]

Thank God he'll never be free to walk the streets again.

Absolutely and anyone he passed during his foot travel must be feeling lucky to be alive. In his state of mind, anyone could have been a victim. He could not walk forever, soon he would require food, car, money. I think he hadn’t found the right person to victimize yet, that’s all.
We see escaped inmates or bolo persons all the time taking hostages, home invasions, car jacking and more.
Good job getting him LE.

 

[Trudie]

Alex Whipple’s criminal history shows this isn’t his first time behind bars

Alex Whipple’s criminal history shows this isn’t his first time behind bars

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

According to the probable cause statement, how you understood it is how LE understood it, too. There is no mention of AW having any kind of trouble before being invited to his sister's house or while visiting in the house.

Does the grandfather actually specify when that particular emotional explosion took place? Could he have been talking about earlier when AW was at his mother's house and got kicked out? If not, and the grandfather was talking about when he arrived at his sister's house, that information was not given to LE before the probable cause document was created, imo.
See below in Items #5 and #6.

https://gephardtdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/Whipple_PC.pdf

What a fill in the blank. He had a blowup goes to his sister's house. she let's him in, most likely listened to him,and helped him calm down,comforted him. Gave him shelter. I think she felt lots of compassion for him,and was helping him in the best way she could.
He repayed her kindness by doing God,and the poor medical examiner knows what, and killing her beloved baby girl.
Now he wants to blame everyone,and everything but himself.
Bad childhood, foster homes, Alcohol, blah,blah, blah.
No. The bad childhood didn't do this, the foster homes didn't do this, the alcohol didn't do this.
Alex did this, with his own free will.
MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I wonder if anyone knows the answer to my question about his parole. His jail sentence was pushed aside after serving some amount of time and he was let go on probation. But... isn't a prerequisite for being let out that he has a relative or friend or someone responsible who vouches that he'll have a place to live? That's my understanding but I'm not really sure. However, I can't see a court system letting him go with well wishing: "Go be homeless somewhere... oh, and good luck."

I think, since he was staying with his mother, she may have agreed that he must remain in residence at her home as part of his probation agreement (?) If he were my son and began drinking and knocking off on the counseling... all he'd have to do is throw one ashtray or punch one wall in my house and I wouldn't have thrown him out. I'd have called police immediately and had him arrested. I think there was too much tolerance shown and too many things ignored when it came to his behavior. Tough love, imo, would have worked a lot better than to turn a blind eye; wishing and hoping, for something to magically intervene and make it all go away and be better. If he had just been stopped as soon as he began to run his own show and probation be damned... last January... we probably never would have heard there was a missing little 5 year old girl in Utah named Lizzy.

ITA The probation officer had the power, the correctional system had the power. Why it wasn't utilized is on them,but I'm very confident we'll hear nothing but hemming,hawing,and exuse, on top of excuse.


MOO