Identified! UT - Beaver Co., WhtFem UP12045, 18-40, on train, Jan'14 - Amber Brown

[jenstar]

i wish there were more information on what railroad it was. I understand how they would not want to be identified, though. All the "excursion trains and passenger trains I've researched so far were privatly owned. Therefore I'm looking at the "hauling" service industry as being Union pacific?
There's intermodal trains that have regular stops between Las Vegas and Utah..and they happen to start in SoCal. Huh..whoda thunk it? lol In the link you'll be able to see the map of the US where the railroad goes. Also the working stations that they have today. This should narrow down the area the UID was before she got on the train. And narrow down the overpasses. Reason being to cross reference which stops have overpasses and which ones do not between california and vegas. If she just hid out for a few minutes while the train was stopped that could be the reason that no one found her when they checked the cars. JMHO
Union Pacific Railroad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

heres a link that describes the ride and route from Cali to LV someone documented it for us. (yay) including the Mph and distances between stops.
http://www.carrtracks.com/la-lvday.htm

 

[jenstar]

So basically although we're not sure how she stayed up there for six hours, so far the findings point to that somehow she did. Like the people on STP said though, its a mystery why she'd go up there with no shoes or backpack or coat.

I mean who knows what gets into people now-a-days. She looked "clean" to the train hoppers so it rules out that it was probably her first time. But what posesses a person to climb a train with no shoes or coat?!?
The likely scenario was that she was high as a kite and wanted to see what it'd be like. But she wouldn't go anywhere without her cigarettes or money would she?
I'd have to be deathly afraid of someone or something to just hop onto a train orclimb anything to "get away." Maybe she was being chased and thought herself triumphant when she climbed up there and it started moving. "Haha see ya sucker!"
Whatever this poor lady's fate or the events leading up to her death..I hope we can put a name to her. For someone to go through what she has already endured, she shouldn't need a lifetime to get her name back. JMHO

 

[musicaljoke]

I believe I counted a total of 5-6 overpasses, mainly near cities.

Is it possible that she went directly from a gym and jumped off an overpass, intending to commit suicide by jumping in front of the train?

Is there a gym or fitness centre close to one of the overpasses?

 

[FiveFelines]

Can or should we assume that she did not fall or jump onto the train, considering that there were no signs of trauma or bruising on her body, according to LE?

 

[jenstar]

Is it possible that she went directly from a gym and jumped off an overpass, intending to commit suicide by jumping in front of the train?

Is there a gym or fitness centre close to one of the overpasses?

We can look that up. But from all aspects I've seen of it; this is someone who likes drugs more than fitness. It's worth a shot though.
But for some reason I don't think she was suicidal, it may be moo, but I think this was just a tragic accident ~wrong place wrong time.

I must have a sick sense of humor. Because when I first read that i imagined someone being totally upset by the amount of butterflies they were capable of..then jumping infront of a train. I'm awful.

 

[jenstar]

Can or should we assume that she did not fall or jump onto the train, considering that there were no signs of trauma or bruising on her body, according to LE?

I think we're on the same wavelength. Either she climbed up there being scared out of her gourd. Or she was placed there. But if she were actually ontop she wasn't placed there she climbed there. We don't have photos of the scene so it's hard to imagine. moo

 

[FiveFelines]

I think we're on the same wavelength. Either she climbed up there being scared out of her gourd. Or she was placed there. But if she were actually ontop she wasn't placed there she climbed there. We don't have photos of the scene so it's hard to imagine. moo

Agreed. I just asked my boyfriend (poor guy is home sick and is listening to me yap about this case) for his take. He said it sounds like she was running away from someone, which I believe was a theory from our pals over at STP as well. Or maybe she went up there for whatever reason (travel, rest, get high, sleep, on a dare?) and her shoes fell off en route. That might work if they were flip flops.

ETA: I don't want to seem like I'm totally discounting a jump or fall out of hand. I just don't think the evidence supports that, now that we know the condition of her body.

 

[jenstar]

http://www.dajenous.com/davesride.html
This guy went south on the same rails (possibly the same route from LV to yermo Ca?)it also is interesting because it shows where the guy was able to get off and take pics and get back on in time for the next ride..
in the last picture you'll see a perfect bridge from which to fall/jump/climp onto the car..
there's another one in barstow Ca
Railfanning, Barstow, California | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

 

[astridxx]

I would venture to guess that if she did climb up to get away from someone she did it in Vegas. Why hang out on that train all the way to UT unless she succumbed to the elements within half hour of being on the train.

 

[carbuff]

I'm inclined to think she probably got on in SoCal.

Weather Underground says the max temp in Las Vegas for January 12 was 64 degrees: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KLAS/2014/1/12/DailyHistory.html

In Los Angeles, it was 74, which I would say is definitely t-shirt weather, and 73 the day before when the train most likely left. http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

I also don't think that we should assume she was afraid. I wouldn't be too happy about jumping down onto the train, but climbing up the ladder, even of a moving train, wouldn't bother me too much. If she was high on meth, which I gather makes you think you can conquer the world, she probably wouldn't even hesitate.

 

[EmiLove832]

Exposure makes a lot of sense. The tox results will be interesting especially with the confirmation of needle marks. I'm curious if her death was a combination of exposure and drugs.



I'm leaning towards she went up there high


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[astridxx]

Exposure makes a lot of sense. The tox results will be interesting especially with the confirmation of needle marks. I'm curious if her death was a combination of exposure and drugs.



I'm leaning towards she went up there high


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He said there were no needle marks -- just possible meth teeth


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[Tssiemer]

Were there signs of sexual activity?

 

[FiveFelines]

Here's some info on the Las Vegas UP rail yard where she may gave gotten on the train.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=36.0...l=36.053732849189025,-115.20156308812041&z=17

 

[astridxx]

Were there signs of sexual activity?

I would guess not BUT it can't be ruled out. I'm pretty satisfied with the hypothermia explanation. Next time I hear from him I'll ask -- I said I would follow up for tox reports in 3-4 weeks.


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[FiveFelines]

Stupid question, but since this was a freight train, would it only start and end at rail yards? In other words, it wouldn't pass through an actual train station?

 

[astridxx]

Was an autopsy done?
Was exposure to sulfuric acid via the pressure valve a possibility?
Were there any signs of sexual activity?
What time did the train pull into Milford?




Just emailed him with these questions listed above


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[EmiLove832]

He said there were no needle marks -- just possible meth teeth


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Oops! That's what I get for reading fast!


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[astridxx]

Also, this from my buddy at STP via PM (the thread is dead):


"Kinda rules out foul play, I guess. I wonder what drove her to be up there? I actually want to go out with my boots on!. Unsure why the footwear thing stands out to me so much.

Hypothermia seems like an easy answer, poor diet, drug & alcohol use, poverty etc can all contribute to hypothermia not to mention the lack of footwear, outerwear, wind break etc. The weather in that area isn't really that cold even at night for a 6.5 hour train ride. You would think that a healthy, sober person with atleast some socks/sneakers & a jacket would survive that trip. Its been 75-48 degrees with no precipitation, sure the train travels at speeds up to 79mph & it gets cold but.....

I wonder if there was potential exposure to sulfuric acid via the pressure relief valve on the tanker. It could have caused breathing problems if in a mist form, causing pulmonary edema. Pulmonary edema is another symptom of hypothermia.

http://www.sulphuric-acid.com/techmanual/Storage/tankcar.htm

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/sulfuric_acid.html

Will they do an autopsy?"


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[FiveFelines]

Here's a video of a Union Pacific train coming into Vegas for a crew change. It's from 2004, but it gives an idea of what the tanker cars are like in motion.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnty2C3w6o&desktop_uri=/watch?v=-xnty2C3w6o