UT - Charlie Kirk Murdered on Utah College Stage *Arrest* #2

[tara83]

I doubt this guy would go that deep into Italian history.

From what I understand the song is used in the video game Hearts of Iron 4.

It was also in a netflix show Money Heist.

 

[MissMalowe]

Grandma of Charlie Kirk's 'assassin' insists FBI have the wrong man

Breaking her silence, the grandmother of alleged Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson told Daily Mail she was stunned by the charges

www.dailymail.co.uk

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Breaking her silence on Friday, Tyler Robinson's grandmother Debbie Robinson, 69, said she is stunned by the charges against her grandson, describing him as a quiet, reserved young man who 'never' spoke politics, despite his father's staunch Trump support.

'My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump,' Debbie, who also lives in Washington, Utah, told Daily Mail.

'[Tyler] is the shyest person,' she added. 'He has never, ever spoke politics to me at all.

'Most of my family members are Republican. I don't know any single one who’s a Democrat.

'I'm just so confused.'
.....

Debbie said her son hasn't answered her calls since the news broke on Robinson's identity as the suspect in Kirk's assassination.

The last part is sad to read.

"Debbie said her son hasn't answered her calls since the news broke on Robinson's identity as the suspect in Kirk's assassination."

I feel bad for her. But I also understand both legally and emotionally why dad wouldnt want or can't handle talking to her right now.

I wonder if people realize before they do something awful that their family will be profoundly hurt and heartbroken too (and in some cases damaged)

 

[PoisonPill]

Dad turned in his son knowing he'll get the death penalty. Cold as ice, damn.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

From that article all I get as far as motive goes is that the shooter "didn't like him" and thinks "he spread lies and hate"

To me that's not a definitive motive. We all dislike stuff and dislike people and their opinions.

I think that a lot of the media is spinning the stuff put on the bullets as "far right" - they aren't. They're mostly generic waffle young kids reel off online and memes, used by kids with left, right or zero political standpoint. Thus making the shooter himself out to be "far right" which as far as I'm aware hasn't been remotely proven.
There are statements from people, as reported, that the shooter become "more political" recently but that isn't elaborated on more. As far as we know he could have been slamming both sides.
Kirk was hugely right wing so I guess it's expected that his killer be some deranged far leftie as that fits the narrative. I'm just yet to see any solid proof of this, he didn't vote for either despite being registered. So far all I see is a clueless edge lord following trends with zero definitive leanings of his own and media spinning this into potentially far more than it actually is.

MOO

RBBM and jumping off your post

I think it’s very likely the motive.

We challenge opinions we don’t agree with, not kill. He premeditated the murder of Charlie Kirk. imo

 

[TMich6811]

They didn't. He turned himself in.

Okay cool, thanks for needing to clarify. Except they do still have him in custody so “glad they caught him” would still apply imo. I did not say I’m glad they chased him down and tackled him out of his bedroom. Which would of course need clarification.

 

[KBlackRabbit]

If this guy had any political motivation I want to hear it from him directly in his own words and not from second hand sources or those who would benefit from promoting a particular narrative.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I don't feel elated like I thought I would when they made an arrest.

This is bittersweet. There is a huge problem here when these (mostly) young, lost, zoned out online addicted men keep doing these crimes. It'll keep happening if something doesn't change. Another topic, but wish this would stop.

I feel for the killer's parents and family. I feel for the Kirk family as well of course. Sad all the way around

I feel pretty much the same.
He is a murderer, but I also feel dismay for his family, and the loss of his own freedom, and possibly his life.

The only "motives" we have heard is how he was so against "the hate Charlie Kirk was spreading".

If only TR could have used his own right to free speech to SAY what he wanted, rather than take this horrific action.

'Killer's' voting habits revealed following Charlie Kirk assassination

Tyler Robinson, 22, was turned into police overnight by his father and a minister in southern Utah after authorities shared images of the shooter.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Jw192]

Was Hinckley advertising his dislike for President Reagan and his viewpoints? Apples and oranges.

Here is what the Utah governor said at the press conference this morning:

"In the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had."

Furthermore, Robinson allegedly said at the dinner that "Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate."

I am sick and tired of people not acknowledging what political violence is. So many people don't want to confirm what is clear as day: people in this country are radicalized and don't hesitate to use violence in attempt to silence the opposition. I don't have a link to the recent study, but 1 in 3 college students stated that violence is an acceptable way to handle people who don't agree with you. While we have evdience to support that this assassination was driven by a difference in political ideology, I don't recall seeing anything that supports a different motive. I am happy to listen.

Completely agree with you on the violence aspect and how it's disgusting that so many young people freely say that it's acceptable to resort to if you disagree with someone.

However, the writings on the casings recovered are NOT "far right" or even right leaning. They're things from video games played by a tremendous amount of people - not political in the slightest. They're meme crap. Trolling meme crap used by a tremendous amount of people with all types of political preferences.

I am not convinced and hugely not comfortable with branding the shooter as a "far leftie" the evidence of such has not been released, what has been released is imo a chronically online meme lord gamer who just didn't like what Charlie Kirk said. There is zero evidence of the shooter being left or right and by your logic of the 1 in 3 students agreeing that violence is acceptable when you disagree with someone, how can we know that if it wasn't Kirk who was out in public a drive away from the shooter, but a left spokesperson that has said something that this fool didn't agree with, that they wouldn't be the one with the bullet in the neck?

I'm just not comfortable with the causing even more hell on with left and right when it's not definitevely proven y'know?

If more is released that concretely shows and proves that TR is a pure left winger, it gives more detail on what he actually disagreed with, then I may change my mind or become more comfortable with the labeling/motive, but as it stands nah

MOO

 

[Eli9]

Dad turned in his son knowing he'll get the death penalty. Cold as ice, damn.

I would imagine in the Dad's 27 year law enforcement career he's had to be on scene of some pretty horrific crimes or car accidents but this, moral decision, must have been the most difficult act of his life and will live with it forever. I feel horrible for him. I would describe the actions of his son as cold as ice.

 

[Jw192]

Grandma of Charlie Kirk's 'assassin' insists FBI have the wrong man

Breaking her silence, the grandmother of alleged Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson told Daily Mail she was stunned by the charges

www.dailymail.co.uk

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Breaking her silence on Friday, Tyler Robinson's grandmother Debbie Robinson, 69, said she is stunned by the charges against her grandson, describing him as a quiet, reserved young man who 'never' spoke politics, despite his father's staunch Trump support.

'My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump,' Debbie, who also lives in Washington, Utah, told Daily Mail.

'[Tyler] is the shyest person,' she added. 'He has never, ever spoke politics to me at all.

'Most of my family members are Republican. I don't know any single one who’s a Democrat.

'I'm just so confused.'
.....

Debbie said her son hasn't answered her calls since the news broke on Robinson's identity as the suspect in Kirk's assassination.

This further proves why I am uncomfortable accepting the far left motive

 

[Arkay]

Breaking her silence on Friday, Tyler Robinson's grandmother Debbie Robinson, 69, said she is stunned by the charges against her grandson, describing him as a quiet, reserved young man who 'never' spoke politics, despite his father's staunch Trump support

Oh, I feel for this grandma.

My eldest granddaughter turned 21 today (I was 47 when I became a grandma).

I see some immaturity in her, but I cannot in any way see her doing something so dreadful, even though some females do murder.

If TR’s family are staunch Republicans and the father is career LE, this has to sting in countless ways.

I dislike when people say “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.” My daughter is the opposite of me in every way conceivable. The granddaughter who turned 21 today is more similar to me.

Realistically, you don’t always get what you put into your children. Sometimes the apple is hurled miles away.

A man was publicly and gruesomely executed. Like BK’s family, their child being a murderer was likely beyond their imagination.

This is pain all around.

JMO and experience.

 

[Inthedetails]

I doubt this guy would go that deep into Italian history.

From what I understand the song is used in the video game Hearts of Iron 4.

It seems cultural references for a whole generation are second-hand without the original meaning. Nothing wrong with that necessarily - most stories are retellings of other stories even if the audience doesn't know it.

But, I think there is an eager audience who is missing the original context and cosplaying with topics they think they understand but...don't.

jmopinion

 

[NuttMegg]

Okay cool, thanks for needing to clarify. Except they do still have him in custody so “glad they got him” would still apply. I did not say I’m glad they chased him down and tackled him out of his bedroom. Which would of course need clarification.

Yeah, a little flippant, just that we've got a lot of conflicting info from LE.

 

[GA_Peach]

Completely agree with you on the violence aspect and how it's disgusting that so many young people freely say that it's acceptable to resort to if you disagree with someone.

However, the writings on the casings recovered are NOT "far right" or even right leaning. They're things from video games played by a tremendous amount of people - not political in the slightest. They're meme crap. Trolling meme crap used by a tremendous amount of people with all types of political preferences.

I am not convinced and hugely not comfortable with branding the shooter as a "far leftie" the evidence of such has not been released, what has been released is imo a chronically online meme lord gamer who just didn't like what Charlie Kirk said. There is zero evidence of the shooter being left or right and by your logic of the 1 in 3 students agreeing that violence is acceptable when you disagree with someone, how can we know that if it wasn't Kirk who was out in public a drive away from the shooter, but a left spokesperson that has said something that this fool didn't agree with, that they wouldn't be the one with the bullet in the neck?

I'm just not comfortable with the causing even more hell on with left and right when it's not definitevely proven y'know?

If more is released that concretely shows and proves that TR is a pure left winger, it gives more detail on what he actually disagreed with, then I may change my mind or become more comfortable with the labeling/motive, but as it stands nah

MOO

Where did I brand the shooter as a "far leftie"? I did not say that or even allude to it. I have not ascribed this difference in viewpoint to someone being from either the left or the right. What I claimed was that the assassination was driven, at least in part, by the fact that the suspect didn't agree with Charlie Kirk's political and religious viewpoints. If this is not the case, I do not know why authorities would describe his murder as a "political assassination."

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Completely agree with you on the violence aspect and how it's disgusting that so many young people freely say that it's acceptable to resort to if you disagree with someone.

However, the writings on the casings recovered are NOT "far right" or even right leaning. They're things from video games played by a tremendous amount of people - not political in the slightest. They're meme crap. Trolling meme crap used by a tremendous amount of people with all types of political preferences.

I am not convinced and hugely not comfortable with branding the shooter as a "far leftie" the evidence of such has not been released, what has been released is imo a chronically online meme lord gamer who just didn't like what Charlie Kirk said. There is zero evidence of the shooter being left or right and by your logic of the 1 in 3 students agreeing that violence is acceptable when you disagree with someone, how can we know that if it wasn't Kirk who was out in public a drive away from the shooter, but a left spokesperson that has said something that this fool didn't agree with, that they wouldn't be the one with the bullet in the neck?

I'm just not comfortable with the causing even more hell on with left and right when it's not definitevely proven y'know?

If more is released that concretely shows and proves that TR is a pure left winger, it gives more detail on what he actually disagreed with, then I may change my mind or become more comfortable with the labeling/motive, but as it stands nah

MOO

You took the words right out of my mouth. To make further assumptions about identity, political leanings, etc., is incendiary. MOO.

 

[the-professor]

This further proves why I am uncomfortable accepting the far left motive

Do we have any idea the last time she saw and spoke to her grandson? I can't seem to read the article for some reason, so I apologize if it's posted in the article.

 

[JennieM]

According to the BBC's US partner CBS, two law enforcement sources explain Robinson's father knew the suspect was his son from the images which had been released by the FBI.

The sources add that Robinson's father urged the 22-year-old to turn himself in after he had confessed. The father reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff’s Office with the information.

US Marshals then took Robinson into custody and informed the FBI, the sources say.

Tyler Robinson, 22, named as Charlie Kirk's murder suspect - follow live

Tyler Robinson's father recognised his son from pictures released by the FBI - he then turned him in with the help of a friend, a youth pastor.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[squareandrabbet]

My work day is kicking me upside the head, so I probably won't be around this afternoon, but I just wanted to say that the New York Times has now folded the commentary about the engraving on the bullets into its reportage.

It's a sad, sad day for civilization IMO.

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder if people realize before they do something awful that their family will be profoundly hurt and heartbroken too (and in some cases damaged)

Snipped

Honestly, I think sometimes that is the point.

jmo

 

[Anxala]

In previous generations 25 year olds were considered fully functioning members of the population. I think we are infantising young people today.

Previous generations didn't have to contend with social media and the really dark, toxic shadow it's cast on young, vulnerable minds.

Anyone ignoring that, attempting to downplay it, refusing to acknowledge it, refusing to accept the grim part SM has played in what's happened - not just here in this instance, but actively every day across the world at large - is why we're in the really sad and sick place we are today.

We need to be looking for solutions for now, ways to try to counter this toxicity, not pointlessly harking back to a time when this 'now' has no former equivalent.