UT - Charlie Kirk Murdered on Utah College Stage *Arrest* #2

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  • #221
You just know the feds are gonna find a way to wiggle in and find a loop hole to whack a terrorism charge in there
It's not going to require a "loophole" to charge this creep with domestic terrorism.
The assassination of CK fits the definition of domestic terrorism to a T.


From the FBI's website:
Domestic terrorismDomestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of InvestigationDomestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of Investigation: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature. Many factors have contributed to the evolution of the terrorism threat on both the international and domestic fronts.

Lone offenders: Terrorist threats have evolved from large-group conspiracies toward lone-offender attacks. These individuals often radicalize online and mobilize to violence quickly. Without a clear group affiliation or guidance, lone offenders are challenging to identify, investigate, and disrupt. The FBI relies on partnerships and tips from the public to identify and thwart these attacks.
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If the feds want to try him, they can absolutely level domestic terrorism charges against him.

Figuratively speaking, I don't care whose rope he ends up swinging from, as long as he swings.

JMO.
 
  • #222
Robinson had a presidential scholarship to study at Utah State, which sounds like quite an achievement to me, but then drops out/gets kicked out after half a year. He's spent the last three years training to be an electrician. I rather doubt that five years ago he imagined that he'd end up working as a sparky.

IMO electricians are in very high demand, earn very well, and will always have work, whereas quite a few University grads are struggling to find a job. This guy had almost made it, studying/apprenticing in what's now being seen as a dream career for many.

So what has really gone wrong with him?
 
  • #223
I'm sure he is.

My reply was to question the assertion of LE classifying it as political assassination.

That seemed very unusual to me and I was interested in see if that was actually said by LE. It was not as far as I can find.


all imo
Yes, that's what I agreed with.

Kirk did not hold political office. IMO the governor may have projected his own personal anxieties onto the situation. People have a funny way of doing that.
 
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What does everyone think about VaaS, "Violence-as-a-service"? Internationally it is becoming a huge problem. In some countries it is now being used for political radicalization. Places in Europe and other countries have task forces to combat it and try and get a handle on it but its being coming a huge problem. Do you think this could have played a part?
 
  • #225
Messages reportedly showed Robinson stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The messages also refer to engraving bullets, and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from Robinson also mention that he had changed outfits.




So he says he stayed in the area watching the rifle wanting to retrieve it.
Maybe he'd installed a trailcam in order to keep watch from a safe location?
 
  • #226
Entitled. This is a good point, I think. Robinson had a presidential scholarship to study at Utah State, which sounds like quite an achievement to me, but then drops out/gets kicked out after half a year. He's spent the last three years training to be an electrician. I rather doubt that five years ago he imagined that he'd end up working as a sparky. We may well find out that the catalyst for Robinson disappearing down whatever rabbit hole he's diasappeared down is an inability to cope with the fact that his life didn't pan out as planned and blaming others for what he perceives as his misfortune.
Respectfully, some 'sparky' (electricians) make more money than recipients of presidential scholarships.
 
  • #227
Respectfully, some 'sparky' (electricians) make more money than recipients of presidential scholarships.
A presidential scholarship isn't a big deal, it's just an automatic thing you get for graduating in the top 15% of your high school class that pays the tuition portion for state college or community college.
And yes you are right, electricians at this point are certainly in a better position in this job market.
*my opinion.
 
  • #228
IMO electricians are in very high demand, earn very well, and will always have work, whereas quite a few University grads are struggling to find a job. This guy had almost made it, studying/apprenticing in what's now being seen as a dream career for many.

So what has really gone wrong with him?
I wonder if he was floundering in his training? Didn't want to face that, so blew everything up in his life?

Idk, just pondering.

jmo
 
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"Isn't a big deal," except it is money provided as encouragement to study and make something of yourself. It's an opportunity handed to young people, and it's an investment the state makes for its future. That's something to be grateful for and to be honored to use, even if others also get it and it wasn't hard to get.

The sense of entitlement is our downfall, to be so lucky that it's not a big deal to be privileged.

:(
I meant it sounded like he had earned something "Presidential" or special or exclusive, when it was something that 1 in 7 high schoolers automatically receive just for existing, that's all.
 
  • #232
You just know the feds are gonna find a way to wiggle in and find a loop hole to whack a terrorism charge in there
I don't see why they would. Utah is going to charge him with 1st degree murder and likely seek a death sentence. We have seen the federal government also bring charges when there is some question about the State's ability or willingness to appropriately charge and pursue prosecution vigorously.
 
  • #233
I am going to speculate and say this young man who took Charlies life had a lot of anger toward his own family because of their Political and Religious views. His Grandmother called him a shy child who never spoke about Politics. I am thinking Religious views played a big part in this too. We see this young man posing in photos while holding different weapons which does not leave me with an opinion he was shy. I think he could not express himself verbally, a controlling Father and now old enough he took all of his frustrations out on Charlie who stood for everything he hated. I of course may be completly wrong with this but for the time being with what I know from the media this fits.
I said the exact same thing in a private thread. The only difference is that I believe the controlling parent is the mother. And, maybe, his father made him feel less of a man?. Of course, I’m just speculating based on photos and comments on Facebook, but I do agree with you 100%.

MOO JMO
 
  • #234
Notably, the theme of the game includes some political references. On its Steam page, there is a description which says:

"Freedom. Peace. Democracy.

"Your Super Earth-born rights.

"The key pillars of our civilisation.

"Of our very existence.

"But the war rages on. And everything is once again under threat.

"Join the greatest military force the galaxy has ever seen and make this a safe and free place to live."
Holy moly. Reads like a manifesto.

As a 69-year-old who plays on Switch (Zelda TOTK and BOTW), World of Warcraft (fantasy MMORPG), and Steam (No Man's Sky, Baldur's Gate 3), I know that when I play for long stretches at a time, I'll dream about a game's scenery sometimes. Dreams can also unfold as quests or battles. Falling into the rabbit hole of Helldivers-type game would affect anyone's senses, especially someone so young. I see games as games, but some kids may see games as reality.
 
  • #235
Hey Everyone.
Let me try to clear things up a bit.
You can discuss what Charlie Kirk said as far as it goes to the motive of the shooting. Please do not discuss what YOU PERSONALLY THINK about what Charlie Kirk said. All that does is make this discussion go off the rails, and it becomes a political discussion or rather a political argument.
Thank you all for being diligent in making sure you have mainstream media links to back up the information you are posting.
I hope this helps.

Tricia
 
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I meant it sounded like he had earned something "Presidential" or special or exclusive, when it was something that 1 in 7 high schoolers automatically receive just for existing, that's all.
Sorry but 1 in 7 don't earn it just for existing, they have to earn the grades to be in the top 15% if that is the criteria. For some that might be easy, but for others it might be something they have to earn, or they don't get to go to college. It might take all the effort some students can give to get into the top 15% in order to have college paid for.

So, I'd say he either is really smart, and this was easy for him, or he had to work hard to get the grades to get this benefit. Either way he earned it and so do all the others who receive this award.
 
  • #238
The governor is trying to make a case for aggravated murder, which is the only capital offence in the State of Utah. The thing is, it's not at all clear that this crime meets any of the criteria laid down in Utah's statue covering aggravated murder. Possibly this one -

(iii)the actor knowingly created a great risk of death to another individual other than the deceased individual and the actor;

but Robinson had a clear line of sight at Kirk, only fired one bullet and could clearly see that there was nobody stood behind Kirk, so even this is debatable.

Kirk wouldn't fall within the category covering politicians as he didn't hold public office and wasn't a candidate for one -

(xii)the deceased individual was a local, state, or federal public official, or a candidate for public office, and the homicide is based on, is caused by, or is related to that official position, act, capacity, or candidacy;

Are you sure he had visibility behind the tent? Rule #4 of firearm safety.
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Edit: Also I'm not sure that having a clear line of sight to Charlie means he didn't create great risk of death to another individual.
 
  • #239
I meant it sounded like he had earned something "Presidential" or special or exclusive, when it was something that 1 in 7 high schoolers automatically receive just for existing, that's all.
I know that's no what you personally meant.

But there is an ungrateful attitude like this, without any acknowledgement of what the money means. It's a gift from society (paid for by tax-paying adults!) to young people "for existing" because we need educated young people to grow into contributing adults to our society. It is a big deal whether it's easy money or not - it didn't come from nowhere, but from a decision adults made and allocated money to pay for.

And I do suspect the killer in this case was ungrateful for the "no big deal" scholarship and squandered the opportunity handed to him for existing.

jmo
 
  • #240
This happened at my campus… We are all in shock. I haven't had time to read the stuff about this event here as I have been volunteering to help at UVU during this time, so forgive me if the following has already been said. I do not think this post should be controversial yet I fear it will be even though I am presenting nothing but facts while maintaining empathy for this tragedy.

What happened is a tragedy, and my heart goes out to Charlie Kirk and his family. He did not deserve what happened to him. No one deserves such a fate.

What I am about to share is about Kirk's life, NOT about his death. I'm firmly in the camp that this should not have happened, no matter what.

This post is about how I want to respond to a narrative I’m seeing everywhere right now, especially across social media and news outlets, suggesting that Charlie was killed because he was outspoken about his conservative values.

As someone who’s lived in this community and been aware of Charlie Kirk’s platform for a long time, I feel pretty confident saying the overwhelming dislike of CK from many communities is not about him “being conservative.”

Charlie Kirk didn’t build his brand on calm policy discussion or thoughtful disagreement.

Kirk built a public career around provoking outrage, not offering respectful political dialogue. His entire brand centered on targeting vulnerable groups, often by going to college campuses like mine and saying things that were cruel, dismissive, or deliberately inflammatory, not as policy discussion, but as spectacle.

At campus events and Turning Point USA conferences, Charlie Kirk has:
  • Mocked trans students, calling gender identity “a delusion” and refusing to use students' pronouns when asked, even while looking them in the eye. He once told a trans student during a live event, “I won’t participate in your fantasy.”
  • Told a Muslim student during a debate that Islam is the most violent religion in the world and refused to acknowledge her points on peaceful Islamic practice. He also tweeted: “Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.”
  • Laughed at a student in tears who asked about LGBTQ suicide rates, responding by saying, That’s not my problem — I don’t make people kill themselves.”
  • Referred to peaceful protesters as “violent, ungrateful brats” and said that undocumented students should be “deported on the spot”
These aren’t misquotes or exaggerations — many of these clips are on YouTube and circulated widely in student communities. He wanted to provoke this kind of attention. A month or so ago, I was part of a group of concerned students who were respectfully advocating to get his event cancelled before it could happen, due to the kind of hateful rhetoric he would spread.

Let me be clear again: No one deserves to die violently let alone violently and publicly, and I pray for peace and healing for his loved ones. Simultaneously, I believe that how someone dies should not erase accountability for how they lived.

There’s a lot of danger in sanitizing a public figure’s legacy just because their death was tragic. We can mourn a life lost while still being honest about the harm that person caused while they were here.

Charlie Kirk wasn’t hated for just being conservative. He was disliked and even feared because of how he spoke to and about people. Because of how he chose cruelty over compassion. That is not a left or right issue. That’s basic humanity.

A few sources:
Charlie Kirk Continues Transphobic Tirade at CU Boulder
Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’
Islam: Incompatible with the West, Incompatible with Civilization - The Charlie Kirk Show

The truth must come out .
Both victim and suspect have truths .
No one can be revered.

As I said earlier, Hate is killing our America.

All my own opinion, all my own sadness and fear.
 
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