UT - Charlie Kirk Murdered on Utah College Stage *Arrest*

[Jw192]

Ok, ima be the one to say it, I dunno how to word it right so just gonna come out with it - They wanna hope this guy is (by societal norms) "ugly"

We alllll know what happens if they're not and I'm already getting wind of thirsty whispers.

I'm a bit stumped though by the released pictures and video footage - the timing.
So the limping down the street footage is BEFORE the shooting - there's an obvious limp there. Could be a genuine limp? It seems to vanish later. Could be the rifle or part of it down one leg of the jeans? That doesn't match with the next before the shooting footage where both legs clearly bend? Could be a total put on limp? Possibly, it would cosplay greatly with the disabled vets top?
The next footage released is the stairs pictures - You can clearly see both legs bending at the knee so no rifle down the duds there - where is the rifle? Is it dismantled in the backpack? How long would it take to reassemble a rifle? Suspect was on the roof for a half hour, is it possible?
Next footage is the roof video AFTER the shooting - suspect doesn't seem to have a limp now, manages to dangle and drop a nifty height and run off - possible adrenaline making the limp less limpy IF it's a genuine limp? Maybe suspect did have part of the rifle down the duds? But how did both legs bend at the knee? It seems like suspect has the rifle wrapped in something as they parkour down off the building...

Ugh it's bugging me. The suspect MUST have been up on that roof beforehand and worked out the exact spot they needed to be for the shot* and I'm sure LE will be all over that, checking the cameras over previous days etc...
Has the whole "words on bullets" thing been confirmed by the feds?

* This part is itching at me also. I get that a couple weeks weapon training could teach someone to shoot a target at 200m and I get that it's a high possibility the shooter was aiming for the head or chest and a breeze hit or whatnot, but what I cannot let go of is the one shot. ONE. I'm trying to think of any other similar instances where a shooter has shot from a decent distance and only fired ONE shot. To me that is a cool, calm, collected, unemotional and confident shooter... One shot - done - pack up - run and jump off the building. Maybe it was a "lucky" shot but again, I cannot recall a time like this from a distance where multiple rounds were not fired and I just can't let go of that.

MOO

 

[Elley Mae]

Stumped here too, starting to think that the gun found was a plant and not the one used. I can not see stuffing a gun with a non collapsible stock down the front of your pants and walk up stairs.

Something ain’t right.

Jmo

 

[StackEye476]

Stumped here too, starting to think that the gun found was a plant and not the one used. I can not see stuffing a gun with a non collapsible stock down the front of your pants and walk up stairs.

Something ain’t right.

Jmo

The forensics would show if it is the right weapon or not by matching it with the bullet that shot Charlie Kirk.

 

[BrianJohnson]

* This part is itching at me also. I get that a couple weeks weapon training could teach someone to shoot a target at 200m and I get that it's a high possibility the shooter was aiming for the head or chest and a breeze hit or whatnot, but what I cannot let go of is the one shot. ONE. I'm trying to think of any other similar instances where a shooter has shot from a decent distance and only fired ONE shot. To me that is a cool, calm, collected, unemotional and confident shooter... One shot - done - pack up - run and jump off the building. Maybe it was a "lucky" shot but again, I cannot recall a time like this from a distance where multiple rounds were not fired and I just can't let go of that.

MOO

That was why I thought it might be someone with military training, he seemed ice calm, one shot, done, go home, it was so professional

I think he deliberately shot him in the neck and planned to all along, with a head or chest shot it is over quickly, whereas with a neck shot the person bleeds out. As CK was shot because of his words I think he deliberately wanted to shoot him in the throat to make a point about silencing him

 

[Elley Mae]

The forensics would show if it is the right weapon or not by matching it with the bullet that shot Charlie Kirk.

Correct, but that has not been reported.

 

[snooptroop88]

In the middle image, he looks like he has scarring or/and bandaid on his left cheek. Might be the camera, angle, lighting, I don't think so, though. I'm pretty sure there's scarring of some kind there. I see light redness on his cheeks, so he's got sunburn there, too. I don't think that would appear with a silicon mask, but don't know.

He does not appear to have this bandaid in the first image. That may well be the angle & lighting.

First and third images, does he maybe have a cleft lip? And third image, it looks like hair poking out behind & over the glasses, like colored hair. Like grayish-lavendar. This might be the lighting/angle again, but I'm pretty sure I at least do see the hair, and it's lighter than the sideburns & hair poking out from back of head.

(I know the second two images are fine, I'm checking that first one just to make sure it's not AI.) Ok, not AI, so leaving it.

Tyler Robinson, 22, named as Charlie Kirk's murder suspect - follow live

Tyler Robinson's father recognised his son from pictures released by the FBI - he then turned him in with the help of a friend, a youth pastor.

www.bbc.com

 

[Kemug]

That was why I thought it might be someone with military training, he seemed ice calm, one shot, done, go home, it was so professional

I think he deliberately shot him in the neck and planned to all along, with a head or chest shot it is over quickly, whereas with a neck shot the person bleeds out. As CK was shot because of his words I think he deliberately wanted to shoot him in the throat to make a point about silencing him

Army sniper?

 

[Elley Mae]

Image of gun here, in a box on the ground. Where’s the towel?

Exclusive | Gun recovered in Charlie Kirk assassination revealed — and ammo bore pro-trans, anti-fascist messages: sources

A rifle recovered in the hunt for Charlie Kirk’s assassin contained ammo engraved with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology,” according to preliminary reports from law enforceme…

nypost.com

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Who zips a backpack in the middle? Clearly something wrong with this guy.

Can't tell if you're being serious, but I have a backpack that zips up from both sides to the middle. It makes it easy to unzip, remove items, zip it back up.

I honestly don’t think this guy had any intention of not being caught. He always knew it was just a matter of time

He'll be identified, because there were too many chances to leave DNA behind. But I think he hopes to get away with it. So far there's no full facial images, he made some attempts to avoid leaving behind prints and DNA (although he could have done more).

But I think if the weapon found is "the" weapon, he didn't plan to leave it behind, because with DNA and other forensics, it will lead to him being caught sooner. Or maybe he is somewhat "okay" with eventually being caught. JMO.

 

[osu]

I think he might have military training, in the military you are trained to jump from height and land safely plus he was so precise with his shooting from distance and the fact he let off just one shot would suggest he is cool and calculating

I still think back to that private jet that took off an hour after the shooting and turned off its transponders, does anyone here have experience of private jets? do you have to show passports or any ID etc like at regular airport terminals? do you have to go through security? might explain why he ditched the gun if he was boarding a private jet

I have a friend and she and her husband fly private charter jet from Ohio to Florida a couple of times a year. I asked her the same questions about having to go through TSA or showing ID/credentials? She said “No” that she drives to a private parking lot located right beside the hangar. They load her bags while she walks on and boards the plane. She doesn’t have to go inside the airport or through security at all.

JMO

 

[StackEye476]

Army sniper?

Nothing nearly so extravagant required. Army snipers are trained for shots up to 1,500 meters out, this shot was was only 133 meters. Even marines are trained to be effective at 500 meters.

Someone could have attained this proficiency just in the months since Trump was elected in my opinion. One thing I thought that was interesting though; almost looks like he has minor cauliflower ear. Which suggests someone who wrestles, boxes, or does martial arts.

 

[friendlysleuther]

“Utah officials shared photos of the suspect Thursday night. The suspect also wore blue jeans, a baseball cap with a triangle, Converse tennis shoes, sunglasses and a black backpack, the photos showed.”
Source

IMO, the only hat with a triangle that makes logical sense would be an Adidas hat (adidas logo)

 

[StackEye476]

Image of gun here, in a box on the ground. Where’s the towel?

Exclusive | Gun recovered in Charlie Kirk assassination revealed — and ammo bore pro-trans, anti-fascist messages: sources

A rifle recovered in the hunt for Charlie Kirk’s assassin contained ammo engraved with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology,” according to preliminary reports from law enforceme…

nypost.com

Not sure, but according to various new sources that does appears to be the correct model rifle, "The Wall Street Journal and New York Times, citing law-enforcement sources, reported it was an older model Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle."

 

[MelmothTheLost]

almost looks like he has minor cauliflower ear. Which suggests someone who wrestles, boxes, or does martial arts.

Or possibly a keloid scar from a former/failed piercing.

 

[StackEye476]

I wonder if this guy experienced some sort of serious accident, I'm pretty sure I see scarring on the face. & researching, seeing that blunt trauma is the main source of the cauliflower ear. If he has colored hair above his eyes, like a funky color, I can see why they're saying college age, and piercings can also cause cauliflower ear (from infections).

I see people mentioning a towel. Is it a certainty he had a towel, or is this at this point a guess? Just checking.

"The FBI earlier said they found a high-powered firearm - an imported Mauser .30-06 bolt action rifle - wrapped in a towel in a wooded area."

Charlie Kirk: What we know about fatal shooting of conservative US activist

The FBI releases new pictures of a "person of interest" as a large manhunt is under way for the suspect.

www.bbc.com

 

[Jw192]

Image of gun here, in a box on the ground. Where’s the towel?

Exclusive | Gun recovered in Charlie Kirk assassination revealed — and ammo bore pro-trans, anti-fascist messages: sources

A rifle recovered in the hunt for Charlie Kirk’s assassin contained ammo engraved with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology,” according to preliminary reports from law enforceme…

nypost.com

The box is bizarre as well. I'm sure we've all seen enough crime scene/evidence pictures to know that they photograph the weapon as it was found... It was found in its/a box?! The shooter carried the rifle into a wooded area and popped it in a box that was already there? Like why would the crime scene tecs pick up the rifle and place it in a box for photos? I've never seen that before. The feds stated the weapon was wrapped in a towel - where is the towel in the image?
Also, when was the weapon discovered does anybody know? It seems dark in the photo and like a flash has been used, or a torch... I thought they found it in daylight hours a few hours after the midday shooting? Maybe the trees make it seem darker, I dunno.

Who actually released the photo of the rifle that the media are reporting? Was it the feds? I have only seen them describe the weapon used and I've seen a lot of people with much more knowledge than myself of firearms, state that the weapon in the picture doesn't match the rifle in a box image that is in the media

MOO

 

[Elley Mae]

I wonder if this guy experienced some sort of serious accident, I'm pretty sure I see scarring on the face. & researching, seeing that blunt trauma is the main source of the cauliflower ear. If he has colored hair above his eyes, like a funky color, I can see why they're saying college age, and piercings can also cause cauliflower ear (from infections).

I see people mentioning a towel. Is it a certainty he had a towel, or is this at this point a guess? Just checking.

More specifically, multiple law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation told ABC News that the weapon is an older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt-action rifle that was found wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the school. The sources said a spent cartridge was discovered in the chamber of the gun.

What we know about Charlie Kirk's shooter as the manhunt continues

The suspect being sought in Wednesday's fatal shooting of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk is believed to be a college-aged individual.

abcnews.go.com

 

[friendlysleuther]

I wonder if this guy experienced some sort of serious accident, I'm pretty sure I see scarring on the face. & researching, seeing that blunt trauma is the main source of the cauliflower ear. If he has colored hair above his eyes, like a funky color, I can see why they're saying college age, and piercings can also cause cauliflower ear (from infections).

I see people mentioning a towel. Is it a certainty he had a towel, or is this at this point a guess? Just checking.

“More specifically, multiple law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation told ABC News that the weapon is an older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt-action rifle that was found wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the school. The sources said a spent cartridge was discovered in the chamber of the gun.”
Source

I have seen others say it looked like a dark colored towel, which could be why not everyone is picking up on it in the video of him getting off the roof

IMO

 

[MrsWatson]

The triangular logo on the cap could also be a Prada logo.

 

[friendlysleuther]

The triangular logo on the cap could also be a Prada logo.

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IMO, the triangle is the opposite direction