UT - Charlie Kirk Murdered on Utah College Stage *Arrest*

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  • #861
At least he's less likely to get admirers swooning over him without Luigi's good looks. Though, it will probably happen, tbh. Yuck.

jmopinion
I think so many identify with the very rich CEO vs getting screwed on insurance they"ve paid for throughout a lifetime, witnessing family members die when ins company won't approve what doctor prescribes.

But with the victim here, it's probably more like 50-50 identifying with a certain leaning, with fewer fervent about it.

So I would predict no percentage of approval such as Luigi gets.

Jmo
 
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i wanted to reply to a post i just read here but i can’t find it anymore! someone mentioned that it must be scary for political influencers now, whether they’re left wing or right wing. i just came across this interview with a leftist influencer who was going to debate kirk in two weeks, and his reaction to it. i hope this is not too off topic, i thought it was interesting.

 
  • #866
**One of the casings said "O bella ciao, bella ciao"

Watch/ Listen : Bella Ciao, the main anti-fascist Italian song
Lyrics:
Una mattina mi son svegliato,
o bella, ciao! bella, ciao! bella, ciao, ciao, ciao!
Una mattina mi son svegliato,
e ho trovato l'invasor.
O partigiano, portami via,
o bella, ciao! bella, ciao! bella, ciao, ciao, ciao!
O partigiano, portami via,
ché mi sento di morir.

E se io muoio da partigiano,
o bella, ciao! bella, ciao! bella, ciao, ciao, ciao!
E se io muoio da partigiano,
tu mi devi seppellir.
E seppellire lassù in montagna,
o bella, ciao! bella, ciao! bella, ciao, ciao, ciao!
E seppellire lassù in montagna,
sotto l'ombra di un bel fior.

Tutte le genti che passeranno,
o bella, ciao! bella, ciao! bella, ciao, ciao, ciao!
Tutte le genti che passeranno,
Mi diranno che bel fior!

E questo è il fiore del partigiano
o bella, ciao! bella, ciao! bella, ciao, ciao, ciao!
«È questo il fiore del partigiano,
morto per la libertà!»
«È questo il fiore del partigiano,
morto per la libertà!»


Translated:
One morning I woke up,
Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello, hello, hello!
One morning I woke up,
and I found the invader.
Oh, partisan, take me away,
Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello, hello, hello!
Oh, partisan, take me away,
because I feel like dying.

And if I die as a partisan,
Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello, hello, hello!
And if I die as a partisan,
you must bury me.
And bury me up there in the mountains,
Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello, hello, hello! And bury me up there in the mountains,
under the shade of a beautiful flower.

All the people who pass by,
Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello, hello, hello!
All the people who pass by,
Will tell me what a beautiful flower!

And this is the partisan's flower
Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello! Oh, beautiful, hello, hello, hello!
"This is the partisan's flower,
who died for freedom!"
"This is the partisan's flower,
who died for freedom!"
What 20-something in Utah would even know this? Seems like a sign he was indoctrinated online.

jmopinion
 
  • #867
The more places he visits, the greater the probability of being caught on camera. If he changes his clothes, his movements are harder to track.
I agree but I don't see how he had time to do that during the shooting, maybe once he got back to a car or out of the area? IDK
 
  • #868
Yeah, either way-- I don't think that the parents would pay for an attorney. Especially since they helped turn him in.

Plus, it would be a waste of money, especially with all of the evidence they have. It would be different, if they believed he truly didn't do it.

IMO
I truly hope that there is a trial. People need to see him being tried for this senseless act. I say No Plea Deal.
 
  • #869
Given the NFT hat (if that's what it was, which is what I think), the guy could be a snowboarder and or a fan of NFT snowboarding event (s). Earlier this year I think some pre-qualifying occurred in February, then the the main event was for a week ln Revelstoke, BC, March 10-17.

If he went, he probably didn't go alone. Also probably hotel records, or Airbnb, or tickets..

Jmo
I thought snowboarder or skateboarder (maybe even climber) too possibly because of agility and not scared to do that jump.

The jump might've been necessary to escape but still didn't seem to hesitate and maybe confident in his athletic/physical skills. MOO
 
  • #870
That is incorrect. Kirk was shot at Utah Valley University. The killer was a student at Utah State University according to the DM article. "Robinson was a student at Utah State University on a scholarship, insiders confirmed to Daily Mail. "


IIRC:
When asked if TR was a student at the university Cox replied that TR had been a student.
imo
 
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Bullet casing inscriptions give possible clue to motive​

Mike Wendling
BBC News

The markings on the bullets described by authorities indicate that the suspect, Tyler Robinson, was steeped in online culture and included references to the Antifa , or the anti-fascist, movement.

A fired shell casing was inscribed with “notices bulges OwO what’s this?” - a reference to a “copypasta” - a piece of text that is repeated over and over again, often to troll people online.

Authorities say one unfired casing had the words “Hey fascist! Catch!” and three down arrows - a common symbol used to represent the anti-fascist movement.

A second casing had the lyrics to a song “Bella Ciao” inscribed on it. The song honours WWII-era partisans of the Italian resistance who fought Nazi Germany.

The third unfired casing was inscribed with the words “If you read this, you are gay lmao” - again an apparent reference to online trolling humour.

Antifa is a loose collection of far-left activists who have been active in the US over the last decade, at street protests and other events.

They often oppose Trump's policies and far-right groups.



4m ago
Per my earlier post, investigators shared information the engraved bullet casings found near the weapon used by the shooter. And notably, one of the casings was engraved with ‘Bella Ciao’.

This, as my colleagues have reported, is the name of an anti-fascist anthem that is sung annually in Italy to commemorate the end of Mussolini’s dictatorship and the end of Nazi occupation in Germany.

 
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How sad it is that we have devolved into a country that thinks shooting people we don’t agree with is a viable option. Violence always begets more violence.

How sad it is that an already persecuted minority group was made into a scapegoat by thousands of people who will likely never apologize or reflect, and thousands of people cried out for that group to be erased or institutionalized, before we ever had a name.

I don’t know what else to say. This isn’t the country I grew up in. I feel I don’t recognize it anymore.
 
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  • #874
One word: Hollywood.
Movies and video games have destroyed generations.
Respectfully I disagree. I'm a HUGE film buff (DM for letterboxd ;) ) always have been. As a very young child I was plonked down in front of the telly which was playing the likes of Childs play, elm street, Texas chainsaw etc... I was however taught that these were films and the people are actors. I grew up to today, loving horror. Same with gaming... Hell, I'm in my 30's now and am currently deciding if I wanna put on Helldivers or gears of war. You can't blame the movies, the games or the music for the violence that humans do. It's how the human is raised imo. Right now, I believe that the scariest thing to exist is the internet, mainly social media. It's literally poisoning the youth. I'm not even talking radicalisation as such, I'm talking desensitisation. You can easily explain to a kid that a film isn't real and it's just actors and fake blood but you cannot tell your kid that the video they've just accidentally scrolled upon online of a man getting his neck blown out is fake. You can't tell a kid that the person they're talking to on an Instagram thread who's telling them to harm themself is an actor.

Social media is poison, as is all this instant fame crap that you see when someone goes viral.

*Off my soapbox now*

All MOO
 
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42m ago
Before wrapping up the press conference, Cox told reporters about what comes next as they process Tyler Robinson, now the prime suspect in the shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

“We have three days for charging documents to be filed,” Cox said. “We’ll have more information, then more detailed information as those charging documents are filed in preparation for a preliminary hearing.”

Cox added that the county attorney would be working “very closely” with Charlie Kirk’s family throughout the process.

46m ago
Cox notes that Robinson has been booked into the Utah County Jail, which sits less than hour south of Salt Lake City.

Cox confirms that a friend helped to deliver Robinson him to police custody in in Washington County – which is in the southwest corner of the state.

51m ago

Utah Governor believes that shooter acted alone, says investigation is ongoing​

Spencer Cox just said that officials “do not have any information that would lead to any additional arrests”. He added that investigators believe the suspect acted alone but the investigation is ongoing .

 
  • #876
The suspect in custody over the assassination of conservative influencer Charlie Kirk dropped out of college after just one semester - despite receiving a presidential scholarship, Daily Mail has learned.

Well, does anyone know what the heck he has been doing for that last 4 years? Would he have to pay back the portion of the scholarship he used for one semester?
 
  • #877
I wonder if any of the tips identify a specific person by name. I'm not even sure I believe it is a male! One thing that does stand out to me. The Converse sneakers - very popular with European teens and 20-somethings. Not as mainstream anymore with American teens and college students, who are more into Adidas Sambas, Nikes and Birkenstock right now. I wonder if its possible this POI is an international student? A long shot I know but just throwing it out there. ALL JMO
Where I live on the west coast, British Columbia in Canada, Converse are still a big thing. I see grade 1 kids through to high school/university wearing them and their parents as well!

50 yrs old wear them too, but I live in a city surrounded by ocean so maybe it's more a thing here.

Maybe this killer took a cue from Bryan Kohberger wearing Vans. Are shoes a red herring/prop or his actual shoes? They look fairly worn in from the photo IIRC

MOO
 
  • #878
I agree but I don't see how he had time to do that during the shooting, maybe once he got back to a car or out of the area? IDK
I think he changed in the wooded area where he left his gun. I'm guessing he just peeled off an outer layer and had clothes on underneath. imo

jmo
 
  • #879
I hope there isn’t a plea. They have him. No plea necessary. imo
I agree. This needs to send a VERY CLEAR message that THIS is not the way to bring about any change. I don't care if he details it all to a T, he should be tried by a jury and one of the punishments for him is death so let them decide.
 
  • #880
What 20-something in Utah would even know this? Seems like a sign he was indoctrinated online.

jmopinion
let's not forget the song gained massive popularity because of netflix money heist.
 
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