Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[Angelcat13]

The DA said:
"Working together... the product of our efforts created a significant opportunity and a lead... and it seemed to indicate the we may be able to locate the possible remains of McKenzie Lueck" and they did.
This to me doesn't sound like AA fessed up as to where they could find ML's body. This sounds like they were able to figure it out themselves based on evidences that they have gathered. MOO

I hope this is the case as I really hope he didn’t tell LE where she was in exchange for having the death penalty taken off the table.

That being said, I trust that if LE did have to make such a deal with AA they would only do so after speaking with ML’s family and I would 100% support whatever the family’s wishes were when it came to having their precious daughter returned to them.

 

[10ofRods]

The spot seems so specific, especially for someone who didn't grow up in that area and didn't spend time year after year exploring the state. I'm thinking there is a connection between AA and that spot. How would he know to go there? Did he visit there while attending school up there? Photo shoot there? Had a date there? Hiking trip with locals?

He's been there before, imo.

jmo

I'm not so sure. He's been on that road, of course, because he would have taken it to go to USU. He probably knew the road went further (toward the mountains) and it might have been the only road he'd seen that does that. Of course, I'm very biased because I've read his entire "geology" paper in which he doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to know where anything in Utah might be (this was in 2016). He obviously didn't go do the fieldtrip that was encouraged for the paper (nor could he locate the very obvious place - Mirror Lake, Utah - on a map).

He did what many killers do, after the fact. He scoured his mind for a possible "remote" place (and ended up choosing a not remote at all place, from the point of view of locals). I spend a couple of summers in SLC and it seemed to me that everyone enjoyed getting out of town toward Bear Lake or up toward Kamas/150 - which, btw, would have been a much easier place to find a more remote place).

If he'd been there before, he would have known what a bad place that was to try and hide a body. Well, of course, his critical thinking skills are not the best.

 

[SoCalGirl]

So glad they are finally going there, however tentatively.

Really, do you think her parents didn't tell her a million times not to meet with "strangers" alone at night? Meet any online dates during the day in public places? Tell a friend where you're going? Don't go out with older men? Don't be alone with someone in a car you don't know well? Don't go out after midnight? We tell our kids these things over and over and yet they still make questionable decisions because that's what young people do. I don't even want to know what my boys have done at college. I specifically remember my younger son going to Mexico for spring break. I told him not to leave the resort under any circumstances. He assured me he wouldn't and told me he didn't. And then I'm at dinner with him and his buddy and they're talking about going to some ATM in town there and someone getting ripped off. So, in fact, he DID leave the resort, he DID go into town, he DID have some issue where someone tried to steal his friend's wallet. I never heard about any of this at the time. We tell our kids this stuff all the time - they don't listen. They think they know better. They feel indestructible.

 

[loganlocal]

I'm not so sure. He's been on that road, of course, because he would have taken it to go to USU. He probably knew the road went further (toward the mountains) and it might have been the only road he'd seen that does that. Of course, I'm very biased because I've read his entire "geology" paper in which he doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to know where anything in Utah might be (this was in 2016). He obviously didn't go do the fieldtrip that was encouraged for the paper (nor could he locate the very obvious place - Mirror Lake, Utah - on a map).

He did what many killers do, after the fact. He scoured his mind for a possible "remote" place (and ended up choosing a not remote at all place, from the point of view of locals). I spend a couple of summers in SLC and it seemed to me that everyone enjoyed getting out of town toward Bear Lake or up toward Kamas/150 - which, btw, would have been a much easier place to find a more remote place).

If he'd been there before, he would have known what a bad place that was to try and hide a body. Well, of course, his critical thinking skills are not the best.

I'd imagine that he had been there before. You don't have to come through the canyon to get to USU, you can come up I-15 from SLC. Typically you go up logan canyon to get from Logan to Bear Lake, parts of Idaho, Wyoming, or Colorado. Or, recreationally. First, Second, and Third dam are all very popular meeting spots for groups of students, church groups, family gatherings, etc., and a lot of students climb and hike in the canyon, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he had been there before with the missionaries or church community or with friends or even dates.

 

[cheykryit]

If what LE referred to as human tissue was found in the house (did they say definitively the house, or was it just the site?), would it be enough to state that he had committed murder? Without a body, how does one come to that conclusion? Does tissue go through changes that indicate death? Would it be the amount of tissue, such as blood, on the scene?
LE went straight to murder, not missing, which I felt to be unusual unless they had more than tissue. It’s harder to prosecute a case without a body. I always thought the burn was her belongings, but I’m unsure what was found at the house and how they went straight to murder. And I believe it was his digital footprint ( or even Kenzie’s) that led them to Logan.

I just posted something similar, I totally agree that the impression was never really given or explained as to what of hers was actually there and (how much) of her for lack of a better phrase.

 

[Curiouslurker]

This guy had multiple fires in his backyard, and was spotted using gasoline.

There’s no way he was just burning her luggage.

They found charred tissue there, which makes sense.

I think he burned her to an extent, perhaps in a futile effort to (effectively) cremate her.

When he realized this wasn’t going to work, he went to plan B. Otherwise, he would have likely disposed of her body in that canyon area in the first place.

I think he didn’t research how hot it has to be and how long you have to burn a body to ashes. Pardon the harshness here. If anyone here followed the Millard cases here (RIP to those victims as well) he and Smich bought an animal incinerator and ran it overnight and they were still able to recover teeth. I think AA figured out after too long that he wasn’t gonna be able to get rid of all the evidence via burning in the backyard so he tried to find an alternative site to dump her body.

 

[RobertLeroyParker]

I am really hoping that a hiker or someone else found her. I don't want to be paying room and board for the creep until the end of his natural life. I am also curious as to how long the body was there. Also wondering about possible estimated date of death. I know time is out of the question unless idiot boy tells them. I am also wondering if they will adjust the kidnapping charge. I don't think it entered her mind to try to leave until it was too late. By then kidnapping is a stretch.

 

[MassGuy]

I think he didn’t research how hot it has to be and how long you have to burn a body to ashes. Pardon the harshness here. If anyone here followed the Millard cases here (RIP to those victims as well) he and Smich bought an animal incinerator and ran it overnight and they were still able to recover teeth. I think AA figured out after too long that he wasn’t gonna be able to get rid of all the evidence via burning,

Yeah, add that to the list of things this guy doesn’t know much about.

This wreaks of panic, and things not going according to plan.

Which is a good thing, atleast as far as justice is concerned.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I wish I had the times on the fires handy as well (I had many questions about it when that news broke). I work in forensics (anthropology) and I know that a backyard bonfire isn't hot enough to cremate large bones (like the skull and leg bones, pelvis). So I was wondering where those things were - and so were the police. Even some of the denser small bones won't burn easily.

No, he didn't take her from the park to almost 90 miles away, kill her, then go back to his house, burn her, then go back to Logan Canyon to deposit her remains.

In this case, some of her remains were found charred in the backyard (where he found out that his plan to cremate her in the yard wouldn't work, but made transport easier). Then sometime after that, he loaded the rest of her remains in the car, drove toward USU and up the Canyon (probably the only mountain road in Utah that he knew) and deposited the remains near the road (because he didn't have the wherewithal to figure out a better place).

 

[milkshakedonkey]

Random thought: could someone be giving him a new address in hopes of getting the trial moved out of state?

That address is still in Utah though. I'm not sure that would help?

 

[Snoop Sister]

I am really hoping that a hiker or someone else found her. I don't want to be paying room and board for the creep until the end of his natural life. I am also curious as to how long the body was there. Also wondering about possible estimated date of death. I know time is out of the question unless idiot boy tells them. I am also wondering if they will adjust the kidnapping charge. I don't think it entered her mind to try to leave until it was too late. By then kidnapping is a stretch.

It was clearly stated as a lead. I think they would have said if a hiker etc found Kenzie imo

 

[Gardenista]

Really, do you think her parents didn't tell her a million times not to meet with "strangers" alone at night? Meet any online dates during the day in public places? Tell a friend where you're going? Don't go out with older men? Don't be alone with someone in a car you don't know well? Don't go out after midnight? We tell our kids these things over and over and yet they still make questionable decisions because that's what young people do. I don't even want to know what my boys have done at college. I specifically remember my younger son going to Mexico for spring break. I told him not to leave the resort under any circumstances. He assured me he wouldn't and told me he didn't. And then I'm at dinner with him and his buddy and they're talking about going to some ATM in town there and someone getting ripped off. So, in fact, he DID leave the resort, he DID go into town, he DID have some issue where someone tried to steal his friend's wallet. I never heard about any of this at the time. We tell our kids this stuff all the time - they don't listen. They think they know better. They feel indestructible.

I know from experience that some kids do listen .

 

[MassGuy]

Random thought: could someone be giving him a new address in hopes of getting the trial moved out of state?

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a state trial being moved out of state.

It happens in major federal trials, but even that seems to be rare.

This guy is almost certainly going to be tried in Utah, and that’s if this case even goes to trial.

I personally don’t think it will.

 

[10ofRods]

I'd imagine that he had been there before. You don't have to come through the canyon to get to USU, you can come up I-15 from SLC. Typically you go up logan canyon to get from Logan to Bear Lake, parts of Idaho, Wyoming, or Colorado. Or, recreationally. First, Second, and Third dam are all very popular meeting spots for groups of students, church groups, family gatherings, etc., and a lot of students climb and hike in the canyon, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he had been there before with the missionaries or church community or with friends or even dates.

Exactly - he didn't have to go through the canyon to get to USU and if he had been there before, it was in a casual manner and not to scout out body disposal places (which, I believe he did not do, or he wouldn't have burned in the backyard).

It's possible he had been there in a casual manner (my point is that he know OF the area, but did not know the area well, or he'd have known to find a better place to dump the remains).

This happens all the time in murders. A better location could be found, but instead, the perp goes to the first (and often only) place he can think of, to dispose of a body. He was probably thinking, "Oh, I know a mountain road!" and instead of choosing the one closer to his house, he drove to the only one he knew. I believe he was completely panicked at that point, since he obviously thought the fires would be sufficient.

While he was fantasizing about brutal sex crimes and wanted a room with hooks, his fantasies did not take him into the true realm of criminality where he researched local places for body disposal (and there are many). A gully with tall trees works much better - even vultures have a hard time finding bodies there. Side road near a main recreation area, not so much.

 

[mountainflower]

Random thought: could someone be giving him a new address in hopes of getting the trial moved out of state?

My guess, without looking at county assessor records, is that WP is listing an old address.

 

[Seattle1]

Is it? I wonder why it didn't show up two weeks ago? Is there a chance that AA changed it and it only became available now? Because i could swear that two days ago it wasn't there.

This is a very high profile case, and just as multiple fake SM accounts for suspects and victims always surface after news breaks,

I wouldn't be surprised if other fraud being initiated in AA's name as he sits in jail -- especially since it wasn't there 2 days ago. People are crazy...

MOO

 

[margarita25]

Can't answer yes or no. They discovered charred human tissue. Since neighbors witnessed him burning and LE dug in the backyard, I'm assuming it was found outside. If they found any blood, tissue, etc. inside the house, they haven't shared that. MOO

Exactly. That’s why I’m wondering. If dismemberment occurred inside, there would very likely be evidence of this. If BFT to the head or stabbing occurred there would likely be evidence of this. If he shot her, there would likely be evidence of this. If COD was strangulation there may not be evidence of this.

Again I have also wondered about the transference of charred material from the outside to the inside via shoes, tools or some other form, moo.

 

[trujac]

This guy had multiple fires in his backyard, and was spotted using gasoline.

There’s no way he was just burning her luggage.

They found charred tissue there, which makes sense.

I think he burned her to an extent, perhaps in a futile effort to (effectively) cremate her.

When he realized this wasn’t going to work, he went to plan B. Otherwise, he would have likely disposed of her body in that canyon area in the first place.

This has been the story of his life...two steps forward--three steps backwards. He never has had a basic sense of common sense...he was in the end attempting to be a successful organized predator without the intellectual ability or the capability to learn from his previous disgusting mistakes and blunders...

 

[PatLaurel]

This is a very high profile case, and just as multiple fake SM accounts for suspects and victims always surface after news breaks,

I wouldn't be surprised if other fraud being initiated in AA's name as he sits in jail -- especially since it wasn't there 2 days ago. People are crazy...

MOO

True! And i thought of that two. But since AA and the other person are friends on FB i found it suspicious... There is no way that AA could have accepted a friendship request in the past days, i guess...

 

[margarita25]

Did he have the gasoline on hand or did he go purchase it that night? If so was it pre-3am or or early morning (post-3am) I wonder.