Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[TristanP]

I am also wondering (hoping) that he has confessed and told them where to find her body.

One thing I’ve learned in the past year is a That a confession doesn’t even matter that much to people who discuss the case online! The Chris Watts case still has people insisting there’s an accomplice and there was a conspiracy and he put their bodies at Anadarko because he was going to blow up the oil tanks and make it look like Shanann and the kids had come to visit him and got killed, then he would have tons of money from the lawsuit he could file...and so on........ it’s crazy!

With the unbelievable amount of speculation about AA beyond what we actually know (which is a heck of a lot about what an...unusual person, shall we say...he was, I think a confession would leave everyone disappointed because the truth won’t be nearly as interesting as all the scenarios people are coming up with.

 

[MassGuy]

I hope they are able to establish a cause of death. Otherwise, what’s to keep him from saying she ODed and he panicked?

He is quite the inventive liar and I lean toward premeditation. But with no cause of death, a voluntary meeting, and perhaps of previous history of cyber-contact...I’d need more than the turned off phone and the plans for a soundproof room, if I were on a jury.

Jury service would require a lot more evidence in forming my opinions...than participation in a sleuthing website ever does.

They apparently have evidence of kidnapping, which will render her cause of death moot.

If you kidnap someone and they die, it doesn’t matter if you intended it or not.

Besides that, a jury isn’t going to buy whatever it is that he tries to sell them.

Not with what he did to her body.

I’m not worried.

 

[Elley Mae]

But now, police are searching for items that were not found in the home. Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown told reporters Thursday that they are looking for a mattress and box spring that were given away from the home last week. Brown asked that whoever took them contact the Salt Lake City Police Department.

Cops Search for Mattress Possibly Linked to Missing Utah Student as Her Instagram Account Shows New Activity

 

[wary]

What I see is a man who had very little experience with the outdoors (had never tried to burn anything in a campfire, or been at campgrounds enough to see that even chicken bones are still visible after a fairly hot fire); that "side of the access road" to a place is not remote - it's only remote to someone who hardly ever goes into nature.

There's no way this case is being transferred out of Utah and the lawyer who opined on that is either doing her best to confuse people or is truly ignorant.

Have I read somewhere that ‘a short distance off of a side road’ is a typical body dump place? Or am I imagining it?

 

[Elley Mae]

Among the items not found, is a mattress that police said was given away online. They're hoping to track down whoever claimed it.

Person of interest emerges in case of missing Utah college student

 

[PatLaurel]

I tried to edit my previous post but it was too late... I wanted to add that the info i posted regarding AA's address is not confirmed and there is a possibility that the WhitePages is showing different info since i am in EU.
What i see there says "current addresses" and what i can say is that two weeks ago the Logan address was not showing up. I could (or can) swear it was not there two weeks ago. I've searched all the AAAs and AAs and this address never came up in my searches until today. And it caught my attention because it's just a few miles from where the remains where found.
But maybe it is just an error due to the new privacy laws in EU, a cache update, etc.
I was not assuming nor presuming nor affirming anything ... Just wondering.

And i never mentioned it was a foster home.

 

[Elley Mae]

“Last night, several people made us aware of a mattress and box spring that were given away from the residence at 547 N. 1000 W. in Fairpark,” Salt Lake City Chief of Police Mike Brown.

‘This mattress’: Investigators ask for public’s help finding evidence in Mackenzie Lueck disappearance

Picture of mattress at link.

 

[10ofRods]

I hope they are able to establish a cause of death. Otherwise, what’s to keep him from saying she ODed and he panicked?

He is quite the inventive liar and I lean toward premeditation. But with no cause of death, a voluntary meeting, and perhaps of previous history of cyber-contact...I’d need more than the turned off phone and the plans for a soundproof room, if I were on a jury.

Jury service would require a lot more evidence in forming my opinions...than participation in a sleuthing website ever does.

That's just it, though. In order for him to say that on the legal record, he'd have to take the stand or give a full accounting of how, after she died, he still desecrated her body, failed to render aid, and was involved in a drug overdose (which is itself a serious felony). In fact, he would then be exposed to a second degree murder charge or possibly first degree (I don't know Utah law).

If you were on a jury, you'd have evidence of her DNA in various places around the house but particularly in the burn pit. So, you'd convict on a lesser charge involving joint use of drugs, use of drugs in his house, subsequent overdose, failure to render aid, and a charge of second degree homicide?

And would you buy the defense's claim that she was the drug dealer and had brought her drugs through security on an airplane?

Even though he failed to cooperate with the police, hid evidence, burned two batches of evidence in his backyard? The last two are also felonies. So you'd at least convict on those, right?

 

[PatLaurel]

Just a thought but maybe he had his mail forwarded to his friend? He can't exactly pay bills probably from jail and he also may not want his mail seen for that matter. Maybe their updated records come from the PO?

The foster thing is scary and I hope relates to him in no way whatsoever.

Jmo.

I tried to edit my post but it was too late... i just posted a new comment. I never mentioned it was a foster home, someone else did.

 

[?mysterian?]

But now, police are searching for items that were not found in the home. Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown told reporters Thursday that they are looking for a mattress and box spring that were given away from the home last week. Brown asked that whoever took them contact the Salt Lake City Police Department.

Cops Search for Mattress Possibly Linked to Missing Utah Student as Her Instagram Account Shows New Activity

That article is from June 28 at 11:29 a.m. LE isn't looking for the mattress/box springs any longer, per more recent articles posted in previous threads.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

Why are posts about the mattress being repeated? LE indicates it was found. Is there new information?

 

[oviedo]

I’m not sure why all these posts about them looking for the mattress - they are not looking for it
Police have ‘person of interest’ in MacKenzie Lueck case

 

[Inthedetails]

I think the whole thing was planned and he made his decision after that 6pm text message the night before - and I think his arrogance allowed all of the mistakes IMO not unlike other killers we follow here on WS - I’m glad they are arrogant because it leads to mistakes that get them caught JMO

Interesting - why do you think he made the decision after 6pm texting?

My hunch has been that he's been wanting to do this crime for awhile and was searching for the victim that suited him - and he found ML.

But I'm interested in other theories too.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

I think he killed her on that mattress that was wrapped in plastic. If there was a mattress pad on it and contained a lot of blood and was wadded up and burned with the rest of her things it might not have burned any better than the rest of her things that were found and that's the tissue.
I will be surprised if he dismembered her body.
If that fire wasn't hot enough to burn her personal belongings to ash why would body parts burn? IMO

I find it curious that in the photos, the mattress and the boxspring looked so clean, like they were almost new. Part of me thinks they are red herrings in the case....but the other part of me says they are not a coincidence.

jmo

 

[oviedo]

Interesting - why do you think he made the decision after 6pm texting?

My hunch has been that he's been wanting to do this crime for awhile and was searching for the victim that suited him - and he found ML.

But I'm interested in other theories too.

jmo

Because she agreed to meet him - he now had his victim IMO I think the phone and computer information they have is going to be enlightening IMO - he did not have his secret room so he could not keep her for a length of time and the kill decision was part of his planning - I’m guessing she lived just a few hours after the meet in the park -all JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

What I see is a man who had very little experience with the outdoors (had never tried to burn anything in a campfire, or been at campgrounds enough to see that even chicken bones are still visible after a fairly hot fire); that "side of the access road" to a place is not remote - it's only remote to someone who hardly ever goes into nature.

There's no way this case is being transferred out of Utah and the lawyer who opined on that is either doing her best to confuse people or is truly ignorant.

But would he think that a burned body couldn't be identified?

Maybe that's all he was going for - not cremation, but hiding identity of the body.

jmo

 

[GordianKnot]

Among the items not found, is a mattress that police said was given away online. They're hoping to track down whoever claimed it.

Person of interest emerges in case of missing Utah college student

Elley Mae, this info r/t the missing mattress and boxspring was from an older article.
LE has since successfully recovered the mattress.

Mackenzie Lueck killing: Cell phone photos and a rideshare led to arrest
SFA:
A mattress investigators have been trying to find has been located, police tweeted Friday night,
without providing additional details.

 

[Inthedetails]

Because she agreed to meet him - he now had his victim IMO I think the phone and computer information they have is going to be enlightening IMO - he did not have his secret room so he could not keep her for a length of time and the kill decision was part of his planning - I’m guessing she lived just a few hours after the meet in the park -all JMO

Yes, I agree with all that, but I think he had a plan in his mind before 6pm, not that the plan popped into his head then. Right?

jmo

 

[10ofRods]

Utah has fast track DNA testing for identification purposes. Naturally, they'll also run it through a reference lab (or two) for forensic purposes. They can ID DNA from a known profile (Kenzie's is known) in a couple of hours:

Why is rapid DNA testing under scrutiny when it helped find missing remains in Utah?

 

[oviedo]

Yes, I agree with all that, but I think he had a plan in his mind before 6pm, not that the plan popped into his head then. Right?

jmo

Oh yes think that last text was the trigger the plan was in advance IMO but I do struggle with victimology - was it her all along ?