Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[ilovechili]

Nexus.

Even that word is not adequate.

Jmo.

 

[kkdj]

BBM:

If ML was thinking that whatever she was meeting AA for was going to take place at that park, then that really, really limits the number of plausible reasons for her meeting him that night.

I can only think of a few things a couple of adults would meet at a dark isolated park to do at 3 am.

JMO.

But then what was her strategy for getting home?
Something happened the minute she got into his car that rendered her helpless. He needed her phone shut off for a reason and that reason was so she couldn't be tracked.....the same reason he didn't want the lyft driver to drop her off at his house. That's what makes me feel certain this whole thing was premeditated. jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

If I remember correctly, didn’t AA claim to go to school in London?

Yeah, London South Bank University, I think.
It could have been an online course, though. If it's even true.

 

[Boxer]

I'm unaware of any evidence that points to such an occurrence. There are security cameras and security people at the airport, if this happened LE would likely have have had an "unpleasant surprise" individual on video.

While anything is possible, IMOO, the likelihood of her voluntarily turning off her phone is quite low.

Blow to the head, Stun gun, real gun, knife, verbal threat all serve to get phone handed over.

 

[GordianKnot]

But then what was her strategy for getting home?
Something happened the minute she got into his car that rendered her helpless. He needed her phone shut off for a reason and that reason was so she couldn't be tracked.....the same reason he didn't want the lyft driver to drop her off at his house. That's what makes me feel certain this whole thing was premeditated. jmo

BBM:

I think the most likely answer to that question is that AA told ML that he would take her home after they'd done whatever they ostensibly met to do, and that for whatever reason, she believed him.

JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm going with response "A," most dedicated are here, MsB!!

Happy 4th of July to all my fellow (super-duper) dedicated WSers!!

Yes, I'm going with dedication to justice!
Happy fourth of July to you, too!

 

[?mysterian?]

Margarita, I'm sitting here looking at AJ's paper for his USU geology class. I teach college at a uni with a similar admission standard (but in California). I see papers like this one all the time and what impresses me about his paper is that, even for a college freshman and even for an ESL student, it's got so many errors. A simple use of a spellchecker would have helped.

To me, that indicates a student who really thinks they are much better than they are. Surely, they are not getting the A's they think they deserve, so why don't they take advice and learn to improve?

In AJ's case, though, the errors are in several different categories (unsupported assertions that show he is either bs-ing, plagiarizing -perhaps unwittingly- and that he lacks basic critical thinking skills). Further, I think he is trying to get on the prof's good side by saying things he thinks the prof wants to hear, as opposed to doing a genuine assignment. So, from my perspective, if this were a first paper, it's a C minus, with an admonishment to fix all the problems or risk a D or F on the next one. I would overlook the many, many syntax, usage and spelling errors for a first year ESL student, but refer to tutoring.

IOW, it would astonish me if someone with these skills (in 2016) would land a job with professional pay. So I'm back to pondering what he actually did for a living...

That's interesting. I know sixth grade teachers that would give his writing efforts "F"s FWIW.

I think we're all wondering where his money came from, since his previously-linked résumés conflict with each other.

He seems to have gotten away with an awful lot, IMO.

 

[Recidivist]

I think so too and that's exactly why I hated that article from the Daily Mail.
Some viewed it as a "nice article" about her lifestyle but in no way do I see it that way.

It was a few months out of her life, and there is evidence that shows she had only begun experimenting with it recently.

That's also one reason why I believe LE said they will not be giving out any more details about the investigation.
People are going to speculate and the defense will try to use it against her.

Hopefully AA will just plead guilty and they can avoid a trial altogether. Imo

She was giving online instructions on how to become a Sugar Baby. So I am not sure that equates to inexperienced.

 

[MsBetsy]

She was giving online instructions on how to become a Sugar Baby. So I am not sure that equates to inexperienced.

She did indicate that she had only had a couple of relationships for a few months, though.
Also the VI said it was something she recently expressed interest in.
There is no evidence that she had started before then, or any previous years in college. Imo

 

[Mspionage]

Mspionage - those pictures are amazing.

So...in between premeditated and completely spur-of-the-moment is opportunistic. I believe this man tried to acquaint himself with co-eds at his university (and perhaps women through the modeling agency). He cultivated a "friend group" of young women.

My first thought about why she met him at 3 am in such a strange way (not going directly to his house) was drugs (cocaine or meth came to mind).

However, reading through all the threads here, it's possible she saw him as a kind of friend. To me, going to someone's house at 3 am says "boyfriend-type relationship" but that's not necessarily true. Perhaps he did reach out to try and comfort her. Perhaps that was his MO in how he cultivated relationships with young women. It's possible.

But there has to be some reason why she met him in a park rather than go directly to his house by Lyft. If drugs were the reason, that makes sense to me and then he tells her that he has them at his house. If he's an actual drug dealer/user then surely the police could use dogs to find some evidence of that at his house, even if he tried to hide it.

Everything this individual has done and seemingly has a track record for is both strategic and brazen. From assuring his ex is both financially covered to keep her mouth shut/to assuring she knows that if she talks the threat exists that she will pay for it, to falsifying records to make himself look like something he isn't, to using old photos to make himself look like something he isn't, to never staying in the same situation for very long, to scattered records, to knowledge of how to deal with very specific issues, to knowledge of setting up surveillance, and on an on. His entire track record reads like a person attempting to make himself look like an average Joe when but his job length/switching, connections and everything in between contradict that. So why the park?

We now know the cameras did not work at the park/were not active. Coincidence? I do not think so. He would not have picked that park unless he knew he could do so without identification via camera which is why I believe he told her, likely over the phone/not by text, that was their meeting spot to which she herself would have passed on to the driver and thus the drivers record would have indicated it came from her thus causing the police not know where the decision originated from and only knowing the last person she spoke to was him if indeed he doesn't even have a throw away phone which we do not know. Then she is disposed of in such a brazen way that the neighbors smelled the body parts and even asked him to which he said he will done soon. That is a very bold person and someone who has acted in such a way before in my opinion.

This is a man who has to control everything in his own home and has to see everything going on and has to have full control over it all. A sexual sadist who pushed himself into many groups which would have given him access to many young women both disenfranchised with life or looking to ascend their lives by meeting the right people. I think he cast a wide net over many different avenues. There is no way he didn't know that park was a deadzone or he wouldn't have picked it. He is in control with everything he does and strategic in everything he does despite being sloppy and leaving trails on a few instances. Overall though he left very few trails, very few and that, to me at least, speaks of a mind that knows the game he plays very well and is seasoned in it.

 

[jillycat]

BBM:

If ML was thinking that whatever she was meeting AA for was going to take place at that park, then that really, really limits the number of plausible reasons for her meeting him that night.

I can only think of a few things a couple of adults would meet at a dark isolated park to do at 3 am.

JMO.

I could be wrong, but don't think they had any real history, at least not face to face, so if that's true, my point is I don't see an isolated park figuring into any safety considerations. And if they did have a history, it would have been his home.

 

[10ofRods]

If they had no prior relationship (of any kind) what was she doing texting him and meeting up with him?

Mspionage, that's an awesome analysis. I agree that he's longterm antisocial and if we knew more, we'd learn he is obviously a sexual sadist. Great catch on the lack of cameras in the park.

So...he didn't want the Lyft to drop her at his house (to avoid detection). Why did she go along with this? What was the lure?

She had (perhaps) known him since he lived near the park and may have thought he was just going to walk across the street to meet her. On foot.

He was so sloppy (grandiose, I'd say) in his post-murder phase, it's mindboggling. This tells me his entire psyche was occupied with luring the victim and maintaining control until it was over. He had fantasized all of that before and it went more or less according to plan. He had not planned for the aftermath very well.

I truly hope KL was the only victim of this madness.

 

[10ofRods]

I could be wrong, but don't think they had any real history, at least not face to face, so if that's true, my point is I don't see an isolated park figuring into any safety considerations. And if they did have a history, it would have been his home.

Part of me disagrees. He knew what he intended and didn't want the trail to immediately lead to his house. I do agree that their relationship might not have been face-to-face before this, but many people regard their social media contacts as "relationships."

It could be as simple as him saying, "My new place is sort of hard to find, there's a park nearby." Why she was heading to his place at that hour and after a long trip, is beyond me though.

 

[GordianKnot]

I could be wrong, but don't think they had any real history, at least not face to face, so if that's true, my point is I don't see an isolated park figuring into any safety considerations. And if they did have a history, it would have been his home.

BBM:

I really can't see any good reason for ML to have met someone she had no history with in a dark parking lot at 3 am.

That's not a typical place and/or time for a meet and greet.

JMO.

 

[jillycat]

If they had no prior relationship (of any kind) what was she doing texting him and meeting up with him?

Mspionage, that's an awesome analysis. I agree that he's longterm antisocial and if we knew more, we'd learn he is obviously a sexual sadist. Great catch on the lack of cameras in the park.

So...he didn't want the Lyft to drop her at his house (to avoid detection). Why did she go along with this? What was the lure?

She had (perhaps) known him since he lived near the park and may have thought he was just going to walk across the street to meet her. On foot.

He was so sloppy (grandiose, I'd say) in his post-murder phase, it's mindboggling. This tells me his entire psyche was occupied with luring the victim and maintaining control until it was over. He had fantasized all of that before and it went more or less according to plan. He had not planned for the aftermath very well.

I truly hope KL was the only victim of this madness.

"Relationship", and texting and meeting him in a park are quite possibly miles apart. Again, I don't see a park figuring into all this 'connection'/relationship history where she was afraid of, or had a rule about going to his home, but was comfortable having her 'relationship' in an isolated spot.

This may have evolved because she knew someone who knew him (didn't someone she knew have a transaction with him on that pay site), and in her mind, or on someone else's (unwitting/innocent) reference/good report, that closed the gap of degrees of separation and the unknown.

I just think he lured her in some way that we can't see into that made sense to her and in her mind was not a high risk. And I think the park location is actually an indicator that their history was limited, not extensive. Who needs a park when you have a house? And she had a car. So, go home, drop off luggage, and go to his home if there's this history between them.

 

[kkdj]

BBM:

I really can't see any good reason for ML to have met someone she had no history with in a dark parking lot at 3 am.

That's not a typical place and/or time for a meet and greet.

JMO.

I think she did know him. After all, didn't one of her friends try to warn her against him? So, there was enough history she spoke with someone else of him.
ETA.
And if he was warning her about him perhaps there had been some prior type of abuse or questionable abuse or something that made her uncomfortable that she went to a friend about him, who then warned her it was not a good relationship. jmo

 

[kkdj]

I really think he caught her broadsided once she was in the car......

 

[wary]

If I remember correctly, didn’t AA claim to go to school in London?

He did, but I think we’ve seen no confirmation of it.

 

[alsleuther]

IMO drugs were his link to the group of beautiful young sorority girls who would have otherwise never given him the time of day. There are only a couple of reasons to meet a guy at 3am in a desolate park and I think drugs is the most likely in this scenario, IMO pills, Xanax etc after the stress of funeral. As to the part about no drug charges, I don’t think he was running a meth lab with huge quantities of illegal drugs, just buying enough “fertilizer” on Venmo from a dude that also worked at dell, to make himself relevant to young girls in town like ML. He had plenty of time to dispose of or hide any drugs before the cops came knocking and honestly even if they did find small amounts of drugs at either his house or the apt where he was arrested, they might not have even bothered with it. They were after big evidence for murder and kidnapping. No use piddling around with small possession charges. I know for a fact that has happened in other criminal situations, that I personally witnessed. I think the biggest question in this whole case is why did she meet him at that time and place. We can speculate but I think LE knew that missing piece early on.

Mspionage - those pictures are amazing.

So...in between premeditated and completely spur-of-the-moment is opportunistic. I believe this man tried to acquaint himself with co-eds at his university (and perhaps women through the modeling agency). He cultivated a "friend group" of young women.

My first thought about why she met him at 3 am in such a strange way (not going directly to his house) was drugs (cocaine or meth came to mind).

However, reading through all the threads here, it's possible she saw him as a kind of friend. To me, going to someone's house at 3 am says "boyfriend-type relationship" but that's not necessarily true. Perhaps he did reach out to try and comfort her. Perhaps that was his MO in how he cultivated relationships with young women. It's possible.

But there has to be some reason why she met him in a park rather than go directly to his house by Lyft. If drugs were the reason, that makes sense to me and then he tells her that he has them at his house. If he's an actual drug dealer/user then surely the police could use dogs to find some evidence of that at his house, even if he tried to hide it.

 

[MsBetsy]

"Relationship", and texting and meeting him in a park are quite possibly miles apart. Again, I don't see a park figuring into all this 'connection'/relationship history where she was afraid of, or had a rule about going to his home, but was comfortable having her 'relationship' in an isolated spot.

This may have evolved because she knew someone who knew him (didn't someone she knew have a transaction with him on that pay site), and in her mind, or on someone else's (unwitting/innocent) reference/good report, that closed the gap of degrees of separation and the unknown.

I just think he lured her in some way that we can't see into that made sense to her and in her mind was not a high risk. And I think the park location is actually an indicator that their history was limited, not extensive. Who needs a park when you have a house? And she had a car. So, go home, drop off luggage, and go to his home if there's this history between them.

Do we know what the actual address is to the park? Could he have texted her the address to give to the Lyft driver, and she entered it in, without knowing that it was the park?
Although then again, I think her friend said that was a typical meeting place for her. Imo