Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #14 *ARREST*

[BradB]

We try to make sense of things from the predator viewpoint and victim in the comfort of your own home on a computer or phone or tablet but it's a different world at night when you're out and about.

 

[fred&edna]

The fact that she was just returning from her grandmother’s funeral could be relevant as to why she agreed to meet him at that hour. She could have been in a fog, not really thinking through things or caring about consequences. The grieving process is complex and everyone reacts differently. There is a correlation between grief and high risk behavior. (Speaking from experience, I’m not an expert.)

I suspect they had an online relationship that had been going on for a few months. She felt like she knew him and went to him for comfort at a time when she just needed someone, something other than going home to her apartment. It’s been reported that he was very charming. He probably said the things that she needed to hear at that moment, so she agreed to meet him.

I remain puzzled by the 3am park meeting. But, I will add... People seek solace in many different ways. And, often from sources (people, pets, strangers, drugs, alcohol, etc) that don't always seem "typical nor logical" to others. I don't know what she was seeking... Nor if she was even seeking anything.

 

[stmarysmead]

I think you mean, when people are open to acting without empathy, or a care for someones life.

Careful or not, it is not the vicitms fault. It is the killers fault and their fault alone. People are murdered walking down the road, in home at bed, at work. No where is safe from these monsters.

It’s not “fault-finding” to assess behavioral risks. Children are kidnapped from their beds...that doesn’t mean letting a three year old walk alone unwatched and unattended in a crowded Walmart does not put that child at increased risk.

Most of us spend the formative years of parenting...doing everything we can to reduce risk to our child. We watch for product recalls, we watch their diet, monitor their internet usage, we buckle their seat belts, try to know their friends, stay up till they get home.

But we are NOT allowed to say certain interactions with strangers increase that child’s personal danger? We are NOT allowed to point to the loss of a lovely, intelligent young woman and say...”What can we learn from this?”

This desire to say all behavior is equal, healthy, and “the norm” now ...and claim that we have no personal responsibility to assess risk belies common sense. It is a false kind of empathy because we should care enough about each others safety to discuss risky behavior candidly.

We can do it without condemning each other.

 

[PommyMommy]

I'm curious what this update is - he still hasn't been arraigned on any charges yet, right? It seems unusual for the police to be giving the public an update without that happening IMO

Hopefully, they're announcing charges but they may also have another request for information from the public. MOO

 

[Jealoushe]

It’s not “fault-finding” to assess behavioral risks. Children are kidnapped from their beds...that doesn’t mean letting a three year old walk alone unwatched and unattended in a crowded Walmart does not put that child at increased risk.

Most of us spent the formative years doing everything we can to reduce risk to our child. We watch for product recalls, we watch their diet, their internet usage, we buckle their seat beys, try to know their friends, stay up till they get home.

But we are NOT allowed to say certain interactions with strangers increase that child’s personal danger? We are NOT allowed to point to the loss of a lovely, intelligent young woman and say...”What can we learn from this?”

This desire to say all behavior is equal, healthy, and “the norm” now ...and claim that we have no personal responsibility to assess risk belies common sense. It is a false kind of empathy because we should care enough about each others safety to discuss risky behavior candidly.

We can do it without condemning each other.

We don't know how ML and AA knew each other. Until we know this, it isn't really appropriate to say she was participating in risky behaviour. They could have been friends for a long time for all we know.

 

[Jealoushe]

We try to make sense of things from the predator viewpoint and victim in the comfort of your own home on a computer or phone or tablet but it's a different world at night when you're out and about.

saying that to a person who was a victim of a serious crime, in the comfort of my own home. I stand by saying that bad things can happen anywhere.

 

[JudgeJoe]

It’s not “fault-finding” to assess behavioral risks. Children are kidnapped from their beds...that doesn’t mean letting a three year old walk alone unwatched and unattended in a crowded Walmart does not put that child at increased risk.

Most of us spend the formative years of parenting...doing everything we can to reduce risk to our child. We watch for product recalls, we watch their diet, monitor their internet usage, we buckle their seat belts, try to know their friends, stay up till they get home.

But we are NOT allowed to say certain interactions with strangers increase that child’s personal danger? We are NOT allowed to point to the loss of a lovely, intelligent young woman and say...”What can we learn from this?”

This desire to say all behavior is equal, healthy, and “the norm” now ...and claim that we have no personal responsibility to assess risk belies common sense. It is a false kind of empathy because we should care enough about each others safety to discuss risky behavior candidly.

We can do it without condemning each other.

5 star post!

 

[Madison418]

Hopefully, they're announcing charges but they may also have another request for information from the public. MOO

Is it possible there could be additional victims or dna located along with KL's remains? Or perhaps additional victims have come forward to add charges?

 

[Mspionage]

It's a proven fact human beings who arent working and maneuvering about past midnight are at a higher risk for bad.

90% of the work that I do/have done throughout my adult life has been done in the hours of 9PM to 4AM. Many people such as myself prefer those hours as it is quiet, less to be bothered by and allows for one to focus more on the issue at hand rather than be knocked off track by the comings and goings during the day hours. Some call people like this "night owls" and it simply means they can focus better at those times.

In this particular case she had just landed so 3AM lines up to her flight time and not some super secret meeting that could only take place at the Witching Hour. That said, he clearly lured her to that place with something which I speculate was either something along the lines of:

1) "I have something I really need to show/tell you, it is really important, please meet me here because this is a really big deal and you have to see it"

2) "I am really sorry for how I acted on (blah blah), please let me apologize to your face as I have never done that before and I just feel so bad about it. Look we can meet at this park so it's public and you feel safe not coming to my house instead"

Something like that. He lured her over there with some story. What it was, no idea.

 

[DD8]

Please don't argue and get the thread shut down y'all.

 

[ilovechili]

It’s not “fault-finding” to assess behavioral risks. Children are kidnapped from their beds...that doesn’t mean letting a three year old walk alone unwatched and unattended in a crowded Walmart does not put that child at increased risk.

Most of us spend the formative years of parenting...doing everything we can to reduce risk to our child. We watch for product recalls, we watch their diet, monitor their internet usage, we buckle their seat belts, try to know their friends, stay up till they get home.

But we are NOT allowed to say certain interactions with strangers increase that child’s personal danger? We are NOT allowed to point to the loss of a lovely, intelligent young woman and say...”What can we learn from this?”

This desire to say all behavior is equal, healthy, and “the norm” now ...and claim that we have no personal responsibility to assess risk belies common sense. It is a false kind of empathy because we should care enough about each others safety to discuss risky behavior candidly.

We can do it without condemning each other.

This is an outstanding and exceptional post I just want to say. ITA.

 

[BradB]

I dont want to argue. I may of come off as strong but Stmary pretty much hit the nail on the head.

 

[PommyMommy]

Is it possible there could be additional victims or dna located along with KL's remains? Or perhaps additional victims have come forward to add charges?

At this point nothing would surprise me. MOO

 

[ilovechili]

Prediction (probably entirely wrong lol, but it would not be the first time)...

Additional arrest(s)

-and/or-

Additional or amended charges

Jmo.

 

[PommyMommy]

15-minute warning

SLCPD to give update in Kenzie's case
10 a.m. PT
11 a.m. MT
12 p.m CT
1 p.m. ET

WATCH:

Facebook: SLC Police

Fox 13: Live Streaming

KUTV 2: Watch

 

[Jealoushe]

I dont want to argue. I may of come off as strong but Stmary pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Not trying to argue, discussion

But again, we have NO idea why they met at that time, or their relationship. So claiming it was risky behaviour is just incorrect at this point. Maybe once we know those details, we can decide whether it was truthfully risky.

I'm a total night owl, and I also horse show a lot and a lot of that involves me being out at 2 AM, 3 AM, often alone or driving alone.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I hope its additional charges.

Imo

 

[morganelliott6]

Well my question is have they found the rest of her, they found evidence of flesh.. but what about the rest of her body?

 

[jillycat]

Not trying to argue, discussion

But again, we have NO idea why they met at that time, or their relationship. So claiming it was risky behaviour is just incorrect at this point. Maybe once we know those details, we can decide whether it was truthfully risky.

I'm a total night owl, and I also horse show a lot and a lot of that involves me being out at 2 AM, 3 AM, often alone or driving alone.

Now that it's known that he is a predator who viciously killed her and burned her body, after a likely lure to that park for those very purposes, we can confidently say she was always at risk with this person. No matter what hour she talked to or met up with him. But I think there's a balance between predators will be predators, and what light has been, or will be shined on this case that's specifically instructive.

 

[oviedo]

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...has been booked into jail on suspicion of aggravated murder, aggravated kidnapping, desecration of a body and obstruction of justice after a SWAT team took him into custody Friday morning at a West Temple apartment complex, said Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown. “I will not be saying the killer’s name again,...

Police arrest Ayoola Ajayi and seek aggravated murder charges in the death of MacKenzie Lueck

just to refresh our memories on what he was booked on (charges)