Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #15 *ARREST*

[PurplePolkaDot]

Forgive me if this seems totally out there but it’s late and some of you got my gears spinning with the thought of AA purchasing ML’s plane ticket.

Based on comments from the housecleaner and the contractor, and I believe maybe some things he had listed as his own interests online (not 100% sure about that last part but I think that was mentioned here), I gather AA was into some “kinky” stuff. I think his version of “kinky” is down-right violence/evil but perhaps he sold it as a kink. I wonder if he and ML did meet in the SD/SB world and he wanted a some kind of master/slave relationship. He may have had enough money to fake that he was better off than he was. Perhaps he gave her some sort of allowance. And so maybe the last thing she wanted to do after her flight was meet him but he “ordered her” to and then maybe also made her turn off her phone. All just my own probably sleep-deprived ramblings. MOO and not even what I really believe. I don’t mean to be salacious or offensive in any way!

I think it’s much more likely, especially due to the unfortunate reason for her trip to CA, that ML’s parents/someone in her family would likely have paid for her flight if she wasn’t able to... perhaps even if she WAS able to. But it’s just something I figured I’d throw out there. Just trying to make sense of why ML made that fateful decision to meet him there that night. But I believe the police have this info and that’s good enough for me. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Hoooolyyyy :-O

Sounds like he's been practicing.

moo

It does.

He seemingly has a consistent MO, and refuses to allow women to have a say in what he wants to do.

His way or the highway.

 

[SoCalGirl]

Welcome ADP2019,
Your idea about the funeral cost, is important.

With Wedding expenses, certainly as a student she may welcome any extra monies. Perhaps AA obliged with the funeral flight expense (an agreement) and now ML was there, as part of their conversation.
All probably revealed, from their phones.
MOO.

I'm pretty sure her parents would've paid for those airfares, especially the one for the funeral.

 

[Seattle1]

@PixieStix said: ↑
He did not ask her to bring her child, she stated she would have to come later than planned because she had her daughter and he told her she was welcome to bring her.

That’s not how it’s said in the video, have a link?

I also heard the version @PixieStix cited.

When the housekeeper gave her initial interview to local news network (appeared on evening news as video news clip), she stated she only cleaned the upstairs, she saw cameras in the master bedroom, and she had to plan her work schedule around her 12 year old daughter, and AA was willing to accommodate her.

Compare the local news clip to what was later stated on pay for news "Inside Edition," the story was definitely embellished.

The tabloid links are the only ones that work now so unfortunately it appears only the embellished rendition available.

MOO

 

[loganlocal]

I wonder if LE has reached out to others about his on line contacts, for "dates." Would be nice if more women came out to say that they had met him before...either on line, or in person. Or if others have approached LE but not wanted the limelight. It would bolster a character prosecution tactic.
Doubtful if "actresses" would come forward. But LE might have them on their radar from previous police incidents.

I haven't contacted LE about my brief encounter on the app with AA - mainly because I unmatched/deleted, so I have no proof, and presumably, they have his end of the evidence on that so would know all they need to about any messages we exchanged, if it's relevant in their case. Does that logic track for you guys, or do you think I should have said something?

Re: the women who he has actually met with or had "relationships" with, I hope that if the DA needed that for building the case against AA, they'd say so, but I won't think we're at that point yet given that we're still waiting on official charges (I think the deadline to file is Wed.? Correct me if I'm wrong!
MOO

 

[Zella]

I haven't contacted LE about my brief encounter on the app with AA - mainly because I unmatched/deleted, so I have no proof, and presumably, they have his end of the evidence on that so would know all they need to about any messages we exchanged, if it's relevant in their case. Does that logic track for you guys, or do you think I should have said something?

SBM

IMO, your logic makes sense, and I agree with you. It seems like your encounter with him certainly follows a pattern that is emerging, but since you have no proof and you had no in-person/in-depth interaction with him, it's probably best not to contact law enforcement with it, especially since they appear to have a mound of evidence to wade through as is.

I agree if they end up putting out a call for anyone who had contact with him, speak up.

 

[MsTide]

Dbm

 

[Midwestmom2019]

SBM

IMO, your logic makes sense, and I agree with you. It seems like your encounter with him certainly follows a pattern that is emerging, but since you have no proof and you had no in-person/in-depth interaction with him, it's probably best not to contact law enforcement with it, especially since they appear to have a mound of evidence to wade through as is.

I agree if they end up putting out a call for anyone who had contact with him, speak up.

Wait and see what LE need. If no backup on his phone, your contact will not show up. If YOU have backup, it will show up. I'm with approaching them, later. You are right, they have a mountain to go through. But maybe one officer would be put in charge of on line contact with other women... I suppose you could email them, as a suggestion, and say you don't expect them to contact you in return, unless they need you. Like his ex-wife said in the tv interview, I will come there if they need me to testify...it could have been one of my children...

 

[MsTide]

I have been watching most of what has been posted here. I’m really impressed by all of your skills! #Goals
IMO That was the first time they met in person considering it was at a park. If I knew someone I’d go to their house. I think his part was most likely premeditated and he had to have something really good to get her there under her current circumstances. Trying to think why she wouldn’t put this off after a funeral and a flight especially with work and exams the next day. Is it plausible he claimed to have the answers to any of her exams? I have heard of people selling/ passing down answers when I was in school. I’m sure much studying was not done while she was back home.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I missed this article, but it says it all. This guy doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “no.”

Missy Lewis says she connected with Ajayi on Tinder.

“The suspect was very charming at first, we had a great conversation,” said Lewis.

At first, he wanted to pick her up at home; when Lewis hesitated, she says Ajayi was persistent.

“He said, well how about I pick you up at a parking lot,” added Lewis.

“I said no, I don’t really feel safe doing that,” said Lewis.

After she told him no, repeatedly, she says he snapped.

“Then he started getting belligerent. He kept insisting that’s what we do, and eventually I said hey I don’t really like where this is going, so I think I’m going to unmatch you, and he called me a really bad word,” said Lewis.

Woman recounts almost going on date with suspected killer

Good grief this couldn’t be more stereotypical “nice guy syndrome”

The guy lays on the honey, probably told her she was beautiful and goes on about how he would woo her. As it progresses and it’s clear she wont bend to his every whim, he suddenly says she’s ugly and a blankity blank that he didn’t want anyways. SMH

 

[MesquiteO21]

I have been watching most of what has been posted here. I’m really impressed by all of your skills! #Goals
IMO That was the first time they met in person considering it was at a park. If I knew someone I’d go to their house. I think his part was most likely premeditated and he had to have something really good to get her there under her current circumstances. Trying to think why she wouldn’t put this off after a funeral and a flight especially with work and exams the next day. Is it plausible he claimed to have the answers to any of her exams? I have heard of people selling/ passing down answers when I was in school. I’m sure much studying was not done while she was back home.

Hello and welcome to the sleuthing circus! Lol

Interesting idea, I hadn’t thought of that. I wonder which exam she had that day

 

[Zella]

Wait and see what LE need. If no backup on his phone, your contact will not show up. If YOU have backup, it will show up. I'm with approaching them, later. You are right, they have a mountain to go through. But maybe one officer would be put in charge of on line contact with other women... I suppose you could email them, as a suggestion, and say you don't expect them to contact you in return, unless they need you. Like his ex-wife said in the tv interview, I will come there if they need me to testify...it could have been one of my children...

I agree with you, but I'm not actually the one with the info. That's @loganlocal. Tagging her to make sure she doesn't miss your advice.

 

[Lillymac]

I have been watching most of what has been posted here. I’m really impressed by all of your skills! #Goals
IMO That was the first time they met in person considering it was at a park. If I knew someone I’d go to their house. I think his part was most likely premeditated and he had to have something really good to get her there under her current circumstances. Trying to think why she wouldn’t put this off after a funeral and a flight especially with work and exams the next day. Is it plausible he claimed to have the answers to any of her exams? I have heard of people selling/ passing down answers when I was in school. I’m sure much studying was not done while she was back home.

I was thinking something similar, but I was thinking maybe speed or something to keep her up for her exam and work. Just a thought.

 

[Zella]

Just MOO but if she wanted answers for a test, it would be more likely she'd get them from someone connected to her school rather than someone who never attended.

 

[ADP2019]

I'm pretty sure her parents would've paid for those airfares, especially the one for the funeral.

She was 23 years old. I'm not sure about anyone else here. But, at that age I was entirely on my own financially. My dad might give me money on my bday or at Christmas. But, my day-to-day expenses of rent, student loans, car payment, insurance, mobile phone, etc. were all mine.

Like KL, I also lived in a different state from my family at 23. I don't think one has to be from a poor family for this to be true, but an unexpected urgent $200 expense is a big deal to many young people in the early years of financial independence.

She clearly was seeking SDs online for financial assistance or gifts so I don't think it's as far fetched as others are suggesting.

KL had living expenses like rent (SLC isn't cheap), food, sorority dues, phone, her cat's needs, clothes (she recently dropped 30 pounds according to her "revenge diet" insta post so she would need an entire wardrobe which isn't cheap).

She was going to school part-time bc her parents were not paying for her to attend full-time (if they were contributing at all).

 

[Anance]

I agree with OceanBlueEyes in not believing AA would have partially burned KL's body and then removed her and transported the body to the Canyon. Frankly why he would burn ANYTHING from the crime in his Yard is beyond my comprehension. Why he dug numerous holes is beyond me.

Trying to catch up. I wonder if we need to revisit the ritual murder aspect. Not in a true sense, but as a bastardization of a primitive ritual. Because a ritual (of some kind) explains AA's contradictory behavior neatly.

1) The fire obsession recorded in his book ties to the bonfires. Though buried, the ritual may require closeness to place of residence to be effective.

2) A ritual explains the presence of her charred belongings and of sufficient remains for the police to ascertain she was dead and desecrated. A scattering of tissue might not be sufficient for both charges. Such a ritual may not require the body part to be sexual in nature nor an organ. Something as simple the scorch mark of her body in the burn pit would suffice.

3) AA alacrity in disposing of her, when he had the chance to keep her alive for even a day or two, points to a ritual as opposed to sexual sadism. The contractor's story of his request for a secret room indicated AA was aware of this activity but chose a quicker outcome.

4) Dismemberment seems unlikely because it is a mess, time consuming and labor intensive. AFAIK, he does not have the background for this. With AirBnB guests booked, appears more unlikely.

My theory: AA felt a need for the ritual (for crazy reasons) and his version of the ritual required a victim like Kenzie. When he realized she was available, he pounced. After taking a few preliminary counter-forensic measures, he improvised. After AA concluded his "rite," he disposed of the body "in the woods."

Hey...I'm probably way off & it was more prosaic. `

 

[Anance]

ITA!

They will gladly throw anyone under the bus at any given time, and never blink an eye.. when trampling others to get to the top, and get what they want.

They are ruthless, and have no concerns about others. Their lives solely revolves around themselves.

They feel entitled to do whatever they want to do.

While these kind of psychopaths do not resort to murdering anyone... often they can make it a living hell for those who are around them.

I believe they are increasing in number.

Jmho

Decline of unions, lack of supportive labor laws and a "winner take all" atmosphere create toxic workplaces, where sadistic men and women engage emotionally abusive behavior. Very sad!

 

[tmar]

I have been watching most of what has been posted here. I’m really impressed by all of your skills! #Goals
IMO That was the first time they met in person considering it was at a park. If I knew someone I’d go to their house. I think his part was most likely premeditated and he had to have something really good to get her there under her current circumstances. Trying to think why she wouldn’t put this off after a funeral and a flight especially with work and exams the next day. Is it plausible he claimed to have the answers to any of her exams? I have heard of people selling/ passing down answers when I was in school. I’m sure much studying was not done while she was back home.

Welcome MsTide.
From his writing, AA does not appear knowledgeable, and I wouldn't think he would have any 'exam answers', unless as you state, perhaps 'selling them on'.

 

[SoCalGirl]

She was 23 years old. I'm not sure about anyone else here. But, at that age I was entirely on my own financially. My dad might give me money on my bday or at Christmas. But, my day-to-day expenses of rent, student loans, car payment, insurance, mobile phone, etc. were all mine.

Like KL, I also lived in a different state from my family at 23. I don't think one has to be from a poor family for this to be true, but an unexpected urgent $200 expense is a big deal to many young people in the early years of financial independence.

She clearly was seeking SDs online for financial assistance or gifts so I don't think it's as far fetched as others are suggesting.

KL had living expenses like rent (SLC isn't cheap), food, sorority dues, phone, her cat's needs, clothes (she recently dropped 30 pounds according to her "revenge diet" insta post so she would need an entire wardrobe which isn't cheap).

She was going to school part-time bc her parents were not paying for her to attend full-time (if they were contributing at all).

ADP2019, I live in the same town as her parents and knowing the family and ML's high school years, my GUESS would be that they would pay for things like airline tickets home, especially a family funeral. I don't know this for a fact, so it's just an assumption on my part. I just don't see that she would be desperate for money.

 

[margarita25]

Completely O/T

I couldn't find a WS thread for the unsolved murder of (Utah resident) Cyle Van Komen. Maybe I'm spelling his name incorrectly?? TIA for any info!

(I searched and didn’t see a thread either, so I started one here, fred&edna:

Cyle Van Komen, 24, Kevin Nelson, 61, Shot & Killed, Ogden, UT, 9 Dec 2016. )