Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #15 *ARREST*

[SuziQ]

Please correct me if any of this is incorrect or has been already stated but the residency status of AA is a confusion to me. He claims having a Green Card and his ex claims they never consummated the marriage or lived together. This presents a huge problem. I have experience with the immigration process and know for a fact (and looked up to see if criteria has changed and it appears not to have) that a marriage must be valid (in Texas it means consummation) and the couple must reside together for a set period of 2 years. The process involves (or involved when I was part of this) not only documents of marriage and a clean legal record but separate interviews (interrogations actually) at the same time by two different agents. These interviews include VERY intimate questions concerning anatomy, preference of sexual style and habit, average length of time, etc. It is a very embarrassing ordeal but if the statements are consistent with each other, the marriage is considered legitimate. If the new wife is pregnant, the interview might be less involved but only if the baby was the baby of BOTH applicant and spouse. If the baby of AA's ex was someone from another man, this would raise a huge red flag. If they never consummated the marriage, they could not possibly answer some of the questions posed, especially from a non-priority nation and without professional qualifications for certain priority occupations. I believe with all said, they can still revoke his residency as it was fraud and he is now accused of the most heinous of crimes. The ex is also facing charges since she admitted the marriage was a fraud. I agree with whomever said she must have been paid for her help. I hope he gets the full extent of the law. I do feel bad for whomever approved his green card as they helped a dangerous person live among us when he was not truly qualified. There is a good reason it has been so difficult to gain residency here to try and ensure the safety of our legal citizens. (My experience was not recent but from the Immigration page it seems they are still very careful with those foreign applicants they grant green cards and residency to.)

ITA. I think this case has opened a can of worms. Immigration, the dark net. Hence LE statement about the investigation bring complicated. paraphrasing.

 

[PommyMommy]

Wasn't the "roommate" who was quoted staying at AA's home? Or, maybe I'm confused and there are two roommates quoted?

Police arrest Ayoola Ajayi and seek aggravated murder charges in the death of MacKenzie Lueck

That roommate was the one who rented a room in the Airbnb.

This is what his former roommates at the apt near Hatch Park said:

JUN 27, 2019
Former roommates share experiences with person of interest in MacKenzie Lueck case
[...]

They shared an apartment in North Salt Lake in 2016. That apartment is across the street from Hatch Park, the last place MacKenzie Lueck was seen.

[...]

“It took about a month for him to even talk to me, just because we three guys, kind of all kept to ourselves. I just took the initiative to try to talk to him. He was just actually, very nice. Welcomed me into the apartment,” he said

He remembers his former roommate as someone who dated several women.

“I’d see girls, kind of come in and out very frequently. Sometimes they would stay for two or three days, but really never leave his room, like ever to get food,” he said. “In passing, just say hi to them. But yeah, it changed between a Latina girl, a brunette girl, a blonde girl. In three or four months, I'd say at least three, if not four or five girls.”

Another former roommate elaborated on the man’s dating habits.

“He had apps, dating apps. He was meeting a lot of people through those,” said a person who was a college roommate with the person of interest at Utah State University. “I don’t know how many people he has dated or met up with using those apps or whatever. I know he’s had a lot of, a long list of dates.”

This former roommate and the person of interest lived together for more than a year.

[...]

They have known each other for years, and although the former roommates lost touch, they spent an afternoon together earlier this month.

[...]

Neither former roommate knows if the man was dating or spending time with MacKenzie.

 

[Peppery]

BBM

Look at the last couple of photos here and you can see the back door.
https://www.movoto.com/salt-lake-ci...CdxewoA8vCjAjKfppFbZhP5twe0-vBW2VMApPLQmGCYH0

That is not AT ALL what I expected the inside to look like. Nothing like most 30 year old’s bachelor pads with the way it’s decorated and neatly presented.

 

[kgreg2529]

I feel for whoever came and got the mattress and or box springs in question. I think I might need to be in a padded room for awhile if I had taken either home.

And possibly smudged my entire house and transport vehicle!

ETA typo - my phone hates spelling anything correctly on this site

 

[Whiteorchids]

It wasnt a massage table, was it? It was a bed that had a vibrating/massage setting.

Was that to put in his secret sex dungeon he wanted built?

Oh pardon me I meant his soundproof, fingerprint entry room to listen to music and drink wine.

 

[Lillymac]

Since it’s legal in California she could have easily and legally purchased her own!

True as long as she kept it in CA. She couldn't fly home with it...

 

[Jax49]

That roommate was the one who rented a room in the Airbnb.

This is what his former roommates at the apt near Hatch Park said:

JUN 27, 2019
Former roommates share experiences with person of interest in MacKenzie Lueck case
[...]

They shared an apartment in North Salt Lake in 2016. That apartment is across the street from Hatch Park, the last place MacKenzie Lueck was seen.

[...]

“It took about a month for him to even talk to me, just because we three guys, kind of all kept to ourselves. I just took the initiative to try to talk to him. He was just actually, very nice. Welcomed me into the apartment,” he said

He remembers his former roommate as someone who dated several women.

“I’d see girls, kind of come in and out very frequently. Sometimes they would stay for two or three days, but really never leave his room, like ever to get food,” he said. “In passing, just say hi to them. But yeah, it changed between a Latina girl, a brunette girl, a blonde girl. In three or four months, I'd say at least three, if not four or five girls.”

Another former roommate elaborated on the man’s dating habits.

“He had apps, dating apps. He was meeting a lot of people through those,” said a person who was a college roommate with the person of interest at Utah State University. “I don’t know how many people he has dated or met up with using those apps or whatever. I know he’s had a lot of, a long list of dates.”

This former roommate and the person of interest lived together for more than a year.

[...]

They have known each other for years, and although the former roommates lost touch, they spent an afternoon together earlier this month.

[...]

Neither former roommate knows if the man was dating or spending time with MacKenzie.

Thank you. I haven't followed this thread as closely as many, so I'm playing catch up.

 

[SandSage]

And possibly smudged my entrie house and transport vehicle!

And secured a therapist. STAT.
moo

 

[SandSage]

Thank you. I haven't followed this thread as closely as many, so I'm playing catch up.

He's had a lot of action in both his places. I was confused too. <3

 

[ilovechili]

Her phone went off ONE minute after arrival.

And on that note did she even have time to get in another car before it was shut off? That would seem to imply she shut it off, the one minute. Get luggage and herself out of Lyft car, get luggage into his car, get herself into his car... Pay and thank driver... Or did the one minute start after payment...?

I guess she could have said to pick up guy "here, hold my phone while I get my luggage and pay for my ride" and he did and turned it off--however, he could not have known she would ask or do that so I strike that possibility... Doesn't really make sense.

I truly do not have an opinion of who shut the phone off but the fact you point out it was that quick makes me think twice about it. I knew it was quick but never really thought about it until now.

Once the Lyft ride was complete, she shut it off. It would be almost too coincidental that it died right then, stranger things have happened, but unlikely imo.

There is something more to what they know about what happened at the park that we do not know. Things just don't quite add up. Imo.

Just a quick list of things I can think of:

Hatch Park

Why go there? Past his house, nowhere near hers. Takes a Lyft to a park. No pickup at airport.

Driver says they are happy to see each other but allegedly can't see anything else whether male, female, make of vehicle--driver and vehicle are still unknown to public today. Yet perp's phone and hers pinged there.... Her phone shut off almost instantly as well.

Doubt says in a PC in response to a question that they don't really know if she got in the car or did they say not known if "they" got in the car...? (I have to go rewatch that...)

Their two phones ping there allegedly, yet hers is shut off within one minute of what I assume Lyft shows as arrival time at park, is that where they got the one minute? Based on the Lyft record and then the phone record?

Friends kept saying I don't know why she would go there. Not there. Not at that time. Etc. She does not even know NSLC. We have never been there, I don't think she had either. Of course at that time that could have been said to the public so the perp thought friends and LE were clueless I guess but she was only missing...

Signs, etc. shows park has surveillance, public finds cameras in pictures, etc. discusses them online, etc. then told cameras are nonworking.

Park is safe place to meet, no cameras? Park is right near police station. Park is not accessible easily as just a general meeting place from the direction she was coming, not like right off an exit ramp. Headlights, particularly from two cars may alert an officer in area on a Monday morning at 3 a.m. so why here?

The park is still one big burning question for a lot of reasons... The park, the park, the park...

Jmo.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you. I haven't followed this thread as closely as many, so I'm playing catch up.

Glad you're here and catching up!

 

[alsleuther]

If you go to SLC Craigslist and type in model under the jobs category, all sorts of "lucrative" job opportunities pop up. Some recent, some dating back to earlier in June. Looks like there is one big "company" that operates just a few miles from AA's current house (no address listed, just a general area a few miles from his house). They post ads for alternative modeling, clothing modeling, music videos, etc. No experience necessary and some tout pay of up to $2K/week for PT work.

I don't think this was AA, but I bet there's a good chance he knows these folks? I'm not sold that AA was on the dark web. It's entirely possible he was, but I'm guessing it's likely he started on good old Craigslist, possibly looking for modeling work for himself, as well as possibly looking for PT models.

 

[PommyMommy]

JUN 28, 2019
https://ksltv.com/416930/digital-footprint-led-police-to-suspect-in-lueck-murder/
[...]

Less than a minute after meeting someone at the park, her phone was shut off and stopped sending data and location information.

“We were able to track her to the park, and the last time we knew that we had any identification with her phone was 3 a.m.,” said Chief Brown.

Lueck’s phone records showed investigators her last communication, which was with the suspect.

[...]

“We had a digital footprint that Mackenzie was there, and we had a digital footprint that the arrested person was there – at the same time. It was within a minute or so, and then that is the last digital evidence that we have for Mackenzie,” the chief said.

[...]

 

[slcmike]

And on that note did she even have time to get in another car before it was shut off? That would seem to imply she shut it off, the one minute. Get luggage and herself out of Lyft car, get luggage into his car, get herself into his car... Pay and thank driver... Or did the one minute start after payment...?

I guess she could have said to pick up guy "here, hold my phone while I get my luggage and pay for my ride" and he did and turned it off--however, he could not have known she would ask or do that so I strike that possibility... Doesn't really make sense.

I truly do not have an opinion of who shut the phone off but the fact you point out it was that quick makes me think twice about it. I knew it was quick but never really thought about it until now.

Once the Lyft ride was complete, she shut it off. It would be almost too coincidental that it died right then, stranger things have happened, but unlikely imo.

There is something more to what they know about what happened at the park that we do not know. Things just don't quite add up. Imo.

Just a quick list of things I can think of:

Hatch Park

Why go there? Past his house, nowhere near hers. Takes a Lyft to a park. No pickup at airport.

Driver says they are happy to see each other but allegedly can't see anything else whether male, female, make of vehicle--driver and vehicle are still unknown to public today. Yet perp's phone and hers pinged there.... Her phone shut off almost instantly as well.

Doubt says in a PC in response to a question that they don't really know if she got in the car or did they say not known if "they" got in the car...? (I have to go rewatch that...)

Their two phones ping there allegedly, yet hers is shut off within one minute of what I assume Lyft shows as arrival time at park, is that where they got the one minute? Based on the Lyft record and then the phone record?

Friends kept saying I don't know why she would go there. Not there. Not at that time. Etc. She does not even know NSLC. We have never been there, I don't think she had either. Of course at that time that could have been said to the public so the perp thought friends and LE were clueless I guess but she was only missing...

Signs, etc. shows park has surveillance, public finds cameras in pictures, etc. discusses them online, etc. then told cameras are nonworking.

Park is safe place to meet, no cameras? Park is right near police station. Park is not accessible easily as just a general meeting place from the direction she was coming, not like right off an exit ramp. Headlights, particularly from two cars may alert an officer in area on a Monday morning at 3 a.m. so why here?

The park is still one big burning question for a lot of reasons... The park, the park, the park...

Jmo.

Well one small detail. You dont have to do anything to pay the driver. It's all automated through the app.

 

[MsBetsy]

That roommate was the one who rented a room in the Airbnb.

This is what his former roommates at the apt near Hatch Park said:

JUN 27, 2019
Former roommates share experiences with person of interest in MacKenzie Lueck case
[...]

They shared an apartment in North Salt Lake in 2016. That apartment is across the street from Hatch Park, the last place MacKenzie Lueck was seen.

[...]

“It took about a month for him to even talk to me, just because we three guys, kind of all kept to ourselves. I just took the initiative to try to talk to him. He was just actually, very nice. Welcomed me into the apartment,” he said

He remembers his former roommate as someone who dated several women.

“I’d see girls, kind of come in and out very frequently. Sometimes they would stay for two or three days, but really never leave his room, like ever to get food,” he said. “In passing, just say hi to them. But yeah, it changed between a Latina girl, a brunette girl, a blonde girl. In three or four months, I'd say at least three, if not four or five girls.”

Another former roommate elaborated on the man’s dating habits.

“He had apps, dating apps. He was meeting a lot of people through those,” said a person who was a college roommate with the person of interest at Utah State University. “I don’t know how many people he has dated or met up with using those apps or whatever. I know he’s had a lot of, a long list of dates.”

This former roommate and the person of interest lived together for more than a year.

[...]

They have known each other for years, and although the former roommates lost touch, they spent an afternoon together earlier this month.

[...]

Neither former roommate knows if the man was dating or spending time with MacKenzie.

Oh, wow, I didn't realize he had said the women stayed in his room for days at a time.
It sounds like he dated at least one or two women a month, or up to five in a few months time.
What exactly did this guy have to offer?

He is not very good looking and by many accounts, has a short fuse and is abusive. He doesn't seem to be charismatic, but instead quiet and reserved.
He has not had any kind of substantial relationship with a woman at all, it seems.
So why all the women coming and going? He must have had something to offer, something they wanted or needed from him.

I still wonder if he was filming and paying them good money for adult videos or photographs. I don't think it was drugs. They wouldn't stay so long for that. Imo

 

[Whiteorchids]

That is not AT ALL what I expected the inside to look like. Nothing like most 30 year old’s bachelor pads with the way it’s decorated and neatly presented.

I think the furniture could be from the prior owner but not positive also realtors will bring in furniture and decorations to help sell the place.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Oh, wow, I didn't realize he had said the women stayed in his room for days at a time.
It sounds like he dated at least one or two women a month, or up to five in a few months time.
What exactly did this guy have to offer?

He is not very good looking and by many accounts, has a short fuse and is abusive. He doesn't seem to be charismatic, but instead quiet and reserved.
He has not had any kind of substantial relationship with a woman at all, it seems.
So why all the women coming and going? He must have had something to offer, something they wanted or needed from him.

I still wonder if he was filming and paying them good money for adult videos or photographs. I don't think it was drugs. They wouldn't stay so long for that. Imo

With all the cameras I think filming is a big possibility.

 

[alsleuther]

Oh, wow, I didn't realize he had said the women stayed in his room for days at a time.
It sounds like he dated at least one or two women a month, or up to five in a few months time.
What exactly did this guy have to offer?

He is not very good looking and by many accounts, has a short fuse and is abusive. He doesn't seem to be charismatic, but instead quiet and reserved.
He has not had any kind of substantial relationship with a woman at all, it seems.
So why all the women coming and going? He must have had something to offer, something they wanted or needed from him.

I still wonder if he was filming and paying them good money for adult videos or photographs. I don't think it was drugs. They wouldn't stay so long for that. Imo

“I’d see girls, kind of come in and out very frequently. Sometimes they would stay for two or three days, but really never leave his room, like ever to get food,” he said.

Not leaving the room for days at a time, even for food, could be indicative of drug use? Heroin or Meth?

 

[jillycat]

I think there's somewhat of a romanticized image of ML as empowered and strong, making informed personal choices, and having control in all her activities, but in reality, she was only 23. She was smart and independent, but in a car with a deceptive predator, she was still a 23 year old who had never been taken for a ride like that.

If this started in the car, given his reported history of having to have things his way, I don't know if he even needed a weapon or an act of violence to subdue her. Once you're in a vehicle that someone else is controlling and they're barking orders to hand over your phone, shut your mouth, keep still or else, and you have no idea what's coming next, I'm not sure you're going to argue or make daring escape attempts. For one thing, the tables turn so quickly that you're stunned, your adrenaline is shooting through the roof, and you're trying to make sense of what's happening.

These kinds of people are terrifying once the mask comes off. Sometimes we paint the victim as having skills and insights that they really didn't have, or couldn't possibly have had. Closer to the truth is likely that the decision to meet him was a collision of both youthful lack of discernment, and being baited and lured by a hunter who was wearing a very clever disguise.

 

[Whiteorchids]

AA was banned from Utah State after stealing an iPad. He was homeless and sleeping on campus. They found his bags in a janitors closet.

This guy is a real winner.

Interesting article.
Utah State University banned the man who is accused of killing MacKenzie Lueck