Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #16 *ARREST*

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #61
So...had he put his house on the market or not? Very curious about that.

It was definitely listed on Movato. It only currently shows delisted. You would think I would know better and screen cap pages on a hot case.
 
  • #62
Mackenzie Lueck's body has been found, police say - CNN

SABBM:
Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill, who earlier this week was granted an extension to file charges against Ajayi, said at Friday's news conference that his office would move forward with formally filing charges in the "early part of next week."

The investigation, Gill stressed, remains ongoing.

A suspect would typically only be allowed to be held in custody for 72 hours before charges are filed or they must be released. Because of the extension, Gill told CNN, his office has until Wednesday at 5 p.m. local time.
_________________________

Looks like the DA is going to wait until the 11th hour, 59th minute to file the charges against AA.

I don't know that I've ever seen this happen in a case I've followed.
Can anyone else think of a case they followed where there was this type of request for an extension to file charges after an arrest having been made?

I mean, the DA can always bring more charges later on if/as more evidence comes to light.

Investigations are always ongoing, so I don't see why that would necessitate a delay in charges being filed, either.

What purpose does this extra week serve, I wonder?

JMO.

IMO they wanted to find her body and do an autopsy
 
  • #63
Southwest's website says no power ports on the plane...

Puzzled, I really like your idea about her tossing her stuff on the seat and then going round back of the car to the trunk. She wouldn't have known it was off.

No power ports on planes? And she didn’t really have time to charge her phone in the airport, I think—not with getting her checked bag.

So, the idea that she turned it off herself seems more plausible to me. As soon as she’d met up ‘safely’ with him, she didn’t need the phone, so she turned it off to charge faster, or to save the charge for when she needed it again.
 
  • #64
Or he really may have witnessed a body being burned in Africa, and the idea came from that. Imo

This is my theory. That this experience imprinted on him in a negative way, but being the sadist and psychopath that he is, he wanted to relive it for some sick fascination and curiosity driven reasons.

Speaking of the fire, I think it's very clear to me at least, that he more than likely attempted to burn her in his backyard, does anyone think he might have put her body in the suitcase, and then tried to burn that whole thing? And then when that didn't work he simply dumped the suitcase itself? But that does maybe raise the question of how charred tissue got out of there if she was in the suitcase.

I feel horrible speculating about such things.
 
Last edited:
  • #65
No power ports on planes? And she didn’t really have time to charge her phone in the airport, I think—not with getting her checked bag.

So, the idea that she turned it off herself seems more plausible to me. As soon as she’d met up ‘safely’ with him, she didn’t need the phone, so she turned it off to charge faster, or to save the charge for when she needed it again.

Possible ... but there are outlets around the walls by the baggage claim. Lots of people plug their phones in to the wall while they are waiting for the bags. She had 30 minutes after landing before her bags came out.
 
  • #66
Not convinced was sexually motivated. More coveting!. I grew up in Zimbabwe, Rhodesia. African men so wanted white women which at the time was outwith their reach. Times change but culture and thoughts dont. Kenzie was so outwith his league!.
I think it was most definitely a sexually motivated crime.
He seemed to like all women based on the roomates description of blondes, brunettes, and Latina women coming over all the time.
It seems that women were just objects for him to control and dominate.
I bet he never experienced a normal relationship with a woman his entire life.
Only his mother has said he is a decent, hard working person who would never do this. I wonder if she even knew he was married. He probably didn't tell her about that. Imo
 
  • #67
Been away a few days. Recently did some reading on Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, and the similarities were curious. I wonder if AA was familiar with this case.

LL was obsessed with sex, and his ultimate fantasy was to have a sex slave and a secret room or bunker where he kept them, which eventually he succeeded in with Charles Ng helping. He was also extremely into BDSM. It was late found he burned many of victims, and some of them were deemed to have been burned alive. He referred to his fantasy and actions as the Miranda project. I wonder if AA had come across this at some point or Ian just made from the sameness psycho cloth.
 
  • #68
She flew on Southwest. Not sure if they have charging ports on the plane but the likelihood of it dying just at the time she met him is 0.01 percent.

Just a thought ... she walks up to the passenger door, throws her purse and phone inside, and asks him to pop the trunk so she can put her suitcase inside.

That could fit.

Agree. There is no way that I believe that it was just a coincidence that her phone went dead minutes after she met up with him.

By all accounts she was a very active phone user. I myself, and can't imagine most people her age and who use their phones a lot like me, NEVER turn my phone off. I mean even when it's charging, I don't turn it off - I just turn the volume down at night. Most people even of my age and older, including my parents, never turn their phones completely off. I don't know anyone who does.
 
  • #69
Possible ... but there are outlets around the walls by the baggage claim. Lots of people plug their phones in to the wall while they are waiting for the bags. She had 30 minutes after landing before her bags came out.
I’ve done this a few times. I’ve never been on a plane with charging ports. I usually find a wall plug. There’s also usually charging stations throughout the airport, but they’re usually full with people waiting. I’ve done those short term til I had time to find a wall plug. I’d think that late at night, she’d have had a wide choice of plug-ins. I also have an iPhone and it takes a while to charge very much. I don’t think it’s ever been mentioned what type of phone she had? Not that it matters, really. This is just such a sad outcome. jmo
 
  • #70
Possible ... but there are outlets around the walls by the baggage claim. Lots of people plug their phones in to the wall while they are waiting for the bags. She had 30 minutes after landing before her bags came out.

Thank you! I’ve flown Southwest in the cell phone era, but only with a carry-on. ;)

The police don’t need to satisfy our curiosity, and it looks as though they’re doing an amazing job. It’d be interesting to know if she charged her phone like that. Well, who knows what we’ll learn. Probably nothing new at the arraignment. Then, preliminary hearing, unless the defense waives it...
 
  • #71
BBM:

I've wondered the exact same thing.

It would explain the aggravated kidnapping charges if his vehicle was found to have the passenger's side door handle removed or disabled. He may have done something with the locks, too.

It would increase his level of control over her while he drove.
It would prevent her from being able to jump out of the car.

However, disabling the passenger door would make it more difficult to get her out of the vehicle, as he'd have to drag her across the driver's side.

Of course, if he had a gun, as many of us have speculated that he did, that would be a moot point.

She'd have no choice but to comply with his demand to get out of the vehicle and to do it quietly if she was staring at a gun pointed toward her at point blank range.

JMO.

A few threads back I posted that as well. I know with child locks on the doors/Windows cant be opened from the inside...although I think that it may only be on my back doors. I'll have to check that out.
 
  • #72
Great Salt Lake area holds about 2.4 million people and three major universities, so lots of young people. Also the SD/SB thing is relatively new and emanates out from...California (IMO). Of course it's also on the East Coast. Even 5 years ago, young women who wanted that lifestyle were pretty quiet about it. And it's still quite rare, especially for a woman to be so open about it.

It's an outgrowth of online dating apps, IMO.

Of course, the US has an overall higher murder rate than Scotland or UK or most other places in Europe, sadly.


MOO
There is actually a businessman that has developed, marketed and pushed SB/SD online dating sites, Seeking Arrangements is one of his creations. Brandon Wade.
He grew up in Singapore of Chinese parents. He went to MIT and lives in Las Vegas.
 
Last edited:
  • #73
Not convinced was sexually motivated. More coveting!. I grew up in Zimbabwe, Rhodesia. African men so wanted white women which at the time was outwith their reach. Times change but culture and thoughts dont. Kenzie was so outwith his league!.
Unless you live in Africa you will never understand the black man wanting a white woman. Is totally cultural. Prestige crap but is real to them. Like a rolls royce car or bentley to a rich person. Ownership , prestige and coveting !. Unless it pisses you off!.
 
  • #74
No power ports on planes? And she didn’t really have time to charge her phone in the airport, I think—not with getting her checked bag.

So, the idea that she turned it off herself seems more plausible to me. As soon as she’d met up ‘safely’ with him, she didn’t need the phone, so she turned it off to charge faster, or to save the charge for when she needed it again.
I’m sure she took that flight regularly to CA to visit her family knowing that so she might have carried a small portable battery charger I have two I use them all the time.
 
Last edited:
  • #75
I think it was Doubt or Brown who said they did surveillance on AA. I wonder if while undercover detectives were doing surveillance stuck a GPS tracker underneath AA’s car like they did on Antolin Garcia trying to locate Sierra Lamar’s body.

I think AA was getting really nervous that they might be on to him as stupid as he is might have taken a drive to Logan Canyon to check on KL’s body to make sure she was still hidden, not surfaced (if in water), not uncovered and not disturbed. Some murderers check on the condition of their victims remains. Scott Peterson for one, also Brandon Lavergne who killed college student Mickey Schunick and others.

That could be how LE discovered KL’s body after searching. Also there might have been mud, dirt, a type of grass or weed, leaves underneath his car that links him to that area.

Just thinking out loud

all JMO

LE would have to get a court order for a tracking device. I don’t think they could do it otherwise. IMO.
 
  • #76
I think it was most definitely a sexually motivated crime.
He seemed to like all women based on the roomates description of blondes, brunettes, and Latina women coming over all the time.
It seems that women were just objects for him to control and dominate.
I bet he never experienced a normal relationship with a woman his entire life.
Only his mother has said he is a decent, hard working person who would never do this. I wonder if she even knew he was married. He probably didn't tell her about that. Imo

Unless she helped finance it.
 
  • #77
MOO
There is actually a businessman that has developed, marketed and pushed SB/SD online dating sites, Seeking Arrangements is one of his creations. Brandon Wade.
He grew up in Singapore of Chinese parents. He went to MIT and lives in Las Vegas.

While its a great way for smart people to learn about each other and share great experiences, its not such a good way for a barely literate semi-employed type to meet someone.

That requires Tinder or a bar. Both AA and ML were on Tinder and both have been known to frequent bars in downtown SLC.
 
  • #78
LE would have to get a court order for a tracking device. I don’t think they could do it otherwise. IMO.

I don't think they were on to AA until the Wednesday. And at that point, they took his car with a warrant. They also apparently took his phone. I don't know whether a Kia has internal GPS. I'd be pretty confident his phone does. Either would show if he drove to Logan.
 
  • #79
Unless she helped finance it.
I doubt it. What would there be to finance? They didn't have a wedding, it was apparently just the two of them in attendance, according to the ex-wife. Imo
 
  • #80
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
69
Guests online
3,395
Total visitors
3,464

Forum statistics

Threads
632,653
Messages
18,629,708
Members
243,235
Latest member
MerrillAsh
Back
Top