Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #17 *ARREST*

[Puzzled25]

Apparently AA's mother in Nigeria reached out to her. His mother said he was very hard working and she doesn't believe the things that are said about him on the news. She said he would never do this.
So I think the family lawyer friend was just making a statement to be supportive. We probably won't hear from her again. Imo

She CLAIMS AAs mother reached out to her. Call me skeptical in thinking she might just be seeking publicity.

She's not smart enough to realize she needed to even say she's looking for an experienced defense counsel with death penalty experience.

 

[PommyMommy]

Not sure is experienced at much ....she hasn't been practicing long. And I think she went to a part time night law school.

In Disneyland...

 

[Boxer]

No he never even completed basic training.

<modsnipped>
AA not definitely not eligible.
From what I have read it takes 6 years of ARNG for full VA benefits.

 

[jillycat]

How do you accidentally put a 2 in hole in someone's head and remove part of their scalp in 'rough' sex? I think any accident claims, or no one actually saw him kill her (they only saw him presiding over a bonfire where the missing portion of her scalp was found) defenses are going to be laughed at by a jury if this gets that far.

 

[10ofRods]

The article says she is a criminal defense attorney with 20 years experience. But regardless, she should know that a state trial can't be moved out of the state.

I'm always surprised at what people don't know (or conveniently forget when it's to their advantage). I doubt AA or AA's mother has actually paid this woman, who is merely trying to get her 15 minutes.

There have been a handful of "rough sex" defenses in murder cases (there's one ongoing in Florida right now - I'm sure it has been discussed on WS):

Man accidentally shoots and kills woman during sex while 'using gun in foreplay'

However, in this case, the man sought medical aid for the woman immediately and it looks like they charged him with involuntary manslaughter.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Rough sex gone wrong with a 2inch hole in her skull.....

This ain't rough sex....... its premeditated murder

Possible scenario.
Rough sex: He ties her up. Erotic asphyxiation ensues. She passes out and has a seizure. He panics and kills her with a hammer.

 

[ClaireNC]

Grieving doesn't equal irrational thinking. And engaging in high risk behavior right after a funeral flight is probably not where any correlation, if there was going to be one, would have commenced. I also don't think he could pull off a 'comfort' ruse.

There was some sort of connection, even if it was online, she wasn't answering her friends but was texting back and forth with him, so this is likely a perfect storm of a lure and her simply being 23, and thinking she had a handle on the lifestyle savvy, but in reality she was unable to discern bait from what she thought was part of something she'd either done before, or had become comfortable with taking a next step in with him. Or, whatever tale he fed her made sense in a context that we just can't see into because we really don't know much. My guess is LE knows the bigger picture and history with what led to the park meeting.

I completely agree with your second paragraph. However, as someone currently in grief counseling including group therapy and the mother of a psychologist, I stand by my statements in the first. Returning from her grandmother’s funeral, Mackenzie was particularly vulnerable.

 

[PommyMommy]

Possible scenario.
Rough sex: He ties her up. Erotic asphyxiation ensues. She passes out and has a seizure. He panics and kills her with a hammer.

Premeditation and intent: "...kills her with a hammer."

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I’d been holding off on posting about Janet because we’d gone quiet on that front... but it’s also of note that she appears to be finally doing the smart thing and distancing herself from that mess. She’s deleted a lot of her posts on Facebook (especially her law firm’s page) defending him. She hasn’t made any contradictory statements showing a change in heart since was what posted last but she definitely has deleted a lot of the supportive content with argument ****-shows in the comments.

When I looked at her Facebook comments last week, I saw that she kept editing her Facebook post. I went on those three dots on the right side of her postings, and looked at each edit and how it differed. I think I did a post on it about that time because she added then deleted that she was just a friend and not representing him, and then she talked about flying out, a bunch of stuff was added and deleted each time. I never kept up with it

 

[ab01]

Possible scenario.
Rough sex: He ties her up. Erotic asphyxiation ensues. She passes out and has a seizure. He panics and kills her with a hammer.

Can you think of a particular case where you have seen this exact scenario happen before?

 

[Roadette]

Not surprising given why they separated and that they are estranged, but his ex-wife thinks he did it when making more comments to reporters: Ayoola Ajayi’s ex-wife speaks as investigators take more evidence from his home

 

[Deleted member 278]

Can you think of a particular case where you have seen this exact scenario happen before?

Sort of. It's my opinion of what kind of happened to JBR but we definitely don't want to bring that discussion here.

 

[wary]

In reference to the idiotic prosecutor, isn't the Lyft driver an eyewitness?

Oh, but he didn’t see AA murdering ML. You gotta have a witness to the murder itself! (*heavy-handed sarcasm*)

The article was out of line in putting ‘prosecutor’ in the headline. He’s a former prosecutor become a defense attorney, and he’s obviously speaking from the mindset of a defense attorney.

 

[jillycat]

I completely agree with your second paragraph. However, as someone currently in grief counseling including group therapy and the mother of a psychologist, I stand by my statements in the first. Returning from her grandmother’s funeral, Mackenzie was particularly vulnerable.

I see "vulnerability" and "irrational" as very different. And I've lost a son and do not embrace any sweeping generalization of grief. I think there are caricatures of Mackenzie being too grief-stricken to know her mind or have her faculties about her, right along side characterizations of her as an "empowered and savvy woman", that really aren't founded on anything known about her. Certainly, no one's funeral flight or online posts offer that much insight into how they came to fall prey to such a brutal murder. Even her friends cannot say what her frame of mind was in those last hours or couple of days because she wasn't communicating with them. And there is too much we don't know about her history with this killer or what could have motivated her to meet him when and where she did. There are a lot of missing pages to the story. I don't assume to know her mind or how she felt. I do believe it's a reasonable conclusion that she was lured for the purposes of this crime and she never saw it coming.

 

[DD8]

Keep in mind the Lyft driver did not give an interview to anyone but police.
We have no clue what he really said to them, and what he saw. We only know what police told us about it. We won't find out until trial no doubt, because to my knowledge the Lyft driver has not gone public at all.

Yes, can you imagine how much is known that has not been shared with the public?!! Especially after giving us what felt like A LOT in yesterday's presser?

 

[Boxer]

How do you accidentally put a 2 in hole in someone's head and remove part of their scalp in 'rough' sex? I think any accident claims, or no one actually saw him kill her (they only saw him presiding over a bonfire where the missing portion of her scalp was found) defenses are going to be laughed at by a jury if this gets that far.

MOO In Utah law putting someone in harms way is murder, not manslaughter. so that all that needs to be shown is that he put her in danger.
The vicinity of a swinging tool is dangerous.
MOO An accidental manslaughter charge would be, for instance killing someone accidentally by the backswing of an ax while chopping wood. Same ax wound and death but occurring in a house was because the victim was put in harms way.

 

[Boxer]

dbm duplicate

 

[Boxer]

Possible scenario.
Rough sex: He ties her up. Erotic asphyxiation ensues. She passes out and has a seizure. He panics and kills her with a hammer.

MOO that is murder. Aggravation added due to what he did to her body after.
MOO that scenario is aggravated murder.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Not surprising given why they separated and that they are estranged, but his ex-wife thinks he did it when making more comments to reporters: Ayoola Ajayi’s ex-wife speaks as investigators take more evidence from his home

I think that’s weird a neighbor wants to keep a tree alive on her killers property who snuffed out her life. Go to her apt property and water a tree or plant a new one not at her killers property.

 

[Deleted member 278]

MOO that is murder. Aggravation added due to what he did to her body after.
MOO that scenario is aggravated murder.

I never said it wasn't murder.