Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #17 *ARREST*

[Roadette]

I think that’s weird a neighbor wants to keep a tree alive on her killers property who snuffed out her life. Go to her apt property and water a tree or plant a new one not at her killers property.

Agreed, but people grieve in different ways. I thought that was odd as well but have probably done odd things while upset myself.

 

[iamcurious9]

I'm still waiting for them to go back with a search warrant and do ground-penetrating radar for under those bricks that are new in the last year in his backyard. I do hope that law enforcement is looking into that or somebody has notified them of the pavers being new in the past year.

Absolutely

 

[Whiteorchids]

I wonder if this is a clue that it was not premeditated?

It could still be premeditated if the body didn’t burn like he thought it would or he already had one can and needed more.

 

[wary]

Thank you all for your support and messages these last few weeks. I have some catching up to do on here...

EDIT: Has been addressed in further comments. Thank you!
Not sure if this has been posted/discussed (redirection would be appreciated) but interested to hear opinions or thoughts in regards to probability for this.
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“There is no way AJ can get a fair trial in Utah considering the racial disparity over there,” said Fashakin. Charges have not been filed yet, but once they are, Fashakin is going to work to get the trial moved out of state."

Family of suspect in MacKenzie Lueck case worried about possibility of fair trial in SLC

Welcome back! I’m so sorry for what you’re going through.

1: I’ve never heard of a state case, which this is, being moved to another state. Federal cases, by their nature, are more flexible, and ‘state-hopping’ can happen there.

2: Salt Lake City is the most racially diverse place in Utah. That’s an argument for staying there, if he wants a jury that has some people of his same race on it. As for the ‘fair trial’ aspect, I’m disgusted that he’d play that card. However, you’re going to have to brace yourself for a lot of ugly and outrageous tactics on the part of his attorneys, or other people that just want some attention. Stay strong.

MOO

 

[Puzzled25]

Not surprising given why they separated and that they are estranged, but his ex-wife thinks he did it when making more comments to reporters: Ayoola Ajayi’s ex-wife speaks as investigators take more evidence from his home

I dont think his "wife" has had any communication with him and is also going for her five minutes of fame. She's just creating an explanation for why their are deposits to her account when they got married and why they never lived together.

Seem anyone else claiming to have contact with him in Texas?

 

[Puzzled25]

Welcome back! I’m so sorry for what you’re going through.

1: I’ve never heard of a state case, which this is, being moved to another state. Federal cases, by their nature, are more flexible, and ‘state-hopping’ can happen there.

2: Salt Lake City is the most racially diverse place in Utah. That’s an argument for staying there, if he wants a jury that has some people of his same race on it. As for the ‘fair trial’ aspect, I’m disgusted that he’d play that card. However, you’re going to have to brace yourself for a lot of ugly and outrageous tactics on the part of his attorneys, or other people that just want some attention. Stay strong.

MOO

In addition to SLC being diverse (the local government is actually very left ...), Mormons encourage immigration

 

[iamcurious9]

I'm one of the few that does not think it was premeditated. I think it was rough sex gone wrong.

So let me get this straight. You're saying it was accidental, but then he killed her, burned her body, and buried her. Is that about right?

 

[Deleted member 278]

I dont think his "wife" has had any communication with him and is also going for her five minutes of fame. She's just creating an explanation for why their are deposits to her account when they got married and why they never lived together.

Seem anyone else claiming to have contact with him in Texas?

I don't see how she is seeking fame when it's the media that sought her out.

 

[Deleted member 278]

So let me get this straight. You're saying it was accidental, but then he killed her, burned her body, and buried her. Is that about right?

I think you missed my explanation.

 

[10ofRods]

I never said it wasn't murder.

It's extremely unlikely that any defense attorney would use a defense that admitted that the client committed murder. And that's the only reason this line of thinking is interesting, at least to me.

Unless of course, they were hoping that after his conviction, they could get an incompetent defense appeal underway (stranger things have happened).

I do not think a judge is going to allow a defense attorney to go down that road, though again, stranger things have happened.

 

[wary]

I think he very well could offer up a defense that they were engaged in some sort of bondage sex act and she was accidentally killed, and then he panicked. I'm not saying a jury would buy it, but i wouldn't be surprised if that is what he claims. Especially if the texts between them earlier would support that. I really would like to know what those texts say. I think those texts hold the key to what happened.

Dying of a brain hemorrhage with a two-inch hole in her skull? That’s quite an accident.

 

[GordianKnot]

Is he serious?!

JUL 11, 2019
Former prosecutor says Mackenzie Lueck murder case is ‘lacking an eyewitness’
[...]

The questions, according to former prosecutor and current defense attorney Kent Morgan, are many.

“Is this truly all they have?” said Morgan.

He says cell phone evidence is not witness testimony, which could make the case harder to prove.

“All of this evidence is lacking an eyewitness as to what happened. All of this evidence requires you to draw inferences from the forensic evidence,” said Morgan.

“What we have is geek evidence — that shows where phones are. What we have is post-death evidence that shows where the deceased was and what happened to the deceased. What we’re missing is who did it. And what was the motive for it?” said Morgan.

[...]

BBM:

Hoo-Boy.

Did my man Kent earn his Juris Doctorate at the same school AA attended for his IT degree, or what?

Because, really, it's the only explanation.

JMO.

 

[?mysterian?]

She CLAIMS AAs mother reached out to her. Call me skeptical in thinking she might just be seeking publicity.

She's not smart enough to realize she needed to even say she's looking for an experienced defense counsel with death penalty experience.

IIRC from the earlier discussion about her when the article first came out, she's not even qualified/licensed/certified to practice law in Utah.

 

[cryscrys]

I think that’s weird a neighbor wants to keep a tree alive on her killers property who snuffed out her life. Go to her apt property and water a tree or plant a new one not at her killers property.

It is a little odd but if you look at it as he wasn't able to save her from dying there, but he is determined not to let the tree die. It is actually beautiful and sad.

 

[Peppery]

Is he serious?!

JUL 11, 2019
Former prosecutor says Mackenzie Lueck murder case is ‘lacking an eyewitness’
[...]

The questions, according to former prosecutor and current defense attorney Kent Morgan, are many.

“Is this truly all they have?” said Morgan.

He says cell phone evidence is not witness testimony, which could make the case harder to prove.

“All of this evidence is lacking an eyewitness as to what happened. All of this evidence requires you to draw inferences from the forensic evidence,” said Morgan.

“What we have is geek evidence — that shows where phones are. What we have is post-death evidence that shows where the deceased was and what happened to the deceased. What we’re missing is who did it. And what was the motive for it?” said Morgan.

[...]

The overwhelming majority of murders don’t have eyewitness. And eyewitness testimony is known for not being very accurate. Thank god this guy isn’t the prosecutor in Kenzie’s case. Moo

 

[Deleted member 278]

(Never mind. I'll get a TO.)

 

[Bellecent]

Bringing my post over from the other thread bc I think it's important.

HOLD UP. Got to point something out. I don't think they met for sex guys. One thing to remember is that they got this asshat on an aggravating kidnapping charge before they even found her body. There must be something in the text messages that indicates she didn't go with him willingly or maybe even something that indicates she thought she was meeting him for a different reason, maybe even possibly threatened. I was looking up what Aggravating Kidnapping means and this came up on Google:


I can't help but wonder if he was stalking her online and maybe feared her into meeting up with him. Even @yellowmoose said back when this all started she couldn't see Kenzie meeting him willingly. Something must have made her go there for them to get him on that kidnapping charge.

iMO he tricked her. She thought he was someone else.

 

[Bellecent]

Someone in the earlier thread was asking about the mattress and box springs.

From what I recall the mattress was advertised to be given away for free on the Letgo site on either the 23rd or 24th of June. The box spring was advertised to be given away for free on a different site - the Facebook Salt Lake County Marketplace - on the 27th or so.

So both items were given away for free on two separate websites, several days apart. And yet when you look at the pictures in the listings, you can tell they were most likely taken at the same time.

Reference post:

Found Deceased - UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #7

JMO, but it seems clearly an attempt to get rid of evidence.

There was a tweet later on which said that SLCPD was no longer looking for those items, that they'd been located. Maybe someone else can track that down?

Was this the only bed in the hous did he replace it?

 

[iamcurious9]

I see "vulnerability" and "irrational" as very different. And I've lost a son and do not embrace any sweeping generalization of grief. I think there are caricatures of Mackenzie being too grief-stricken to know her mind or have her faculties about her, right along side characterizations of her as an "empowered and savvy woman", that really aren't founded on anything known about her. Certainly, no one's funeral flight or online posts offer that much insight into how they came to fall prey to such a brutal murder. Even her friends cannot say what her frame of mind was in those last hours or couple of days because she wasn't communicating with them. And there is too much we don't know about her history with this killer or what could have motivated her to meet him when and where she did. There are a lot of missing pages to the story. I don't assume to know her mind or how she felt. I do believe it's a reasonable conclusion that she was lured for the purposes of this crime and she never saw it coming.

A lot of missing pages

 

[diggndeeperstill]

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I stand corrected. How then did msm find about the case if it was just her first report that was recorded? I would think that there had to be something after that first and only? One contact with police. As I remember there was some discussion as to the potential connection to a financial institution that both were thought to have worked at. All from one initial report?
Can’t reconcile all extra info if just one report from victim.

JUN 28, 2019
Police arrest Ayoola Ajayi and seek aggravated murder charges in the death of MacKenzie Lueck
North Park police investigated a rape complaint against Ajayi in 2014, but didn’t pursue the case after the female victim said she didn’t want to press charges, according to a news release the North Park Police Department issued Friday.

News Release: Twitter

Just a thought, but what if the department issued that statement because they had gotten a request for that sexual assault report from someone who had found the link, realized it was related to the Lueck case, and wanted to get ahead of the media.

Think about it. Media outlets have quoted the report. The press release does not give that information. I could be wrong.

The actual case records of the rape are avail with a subscription service if I reminder correctly. I feel like I may have read them here but can’t find now. You’re right, the press release doesn’t state all the info from the police report but the article linked does. It’s in our media thread as well. Ayoola Ajayi, accused of killing MacKenzie Lueck, was once investigated for rape. And his ex-wife feared him.