Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #17 *ARREST*

[Inthedetails]

It's extremely unlikely that any defense attorney would use a defense that admitted that the client committed murder. And that's the only reason this line of thinking is interesting, at least to me.

Unless of course, they were hoping that after his conviction, they could get an incompetent defense appeal underway (stranger things have happened).

I do not think a judge is going to allow a defense attorney to go down that road, though again, stranger things have happened.

A case just concluded in Nebraska where the perp claimed a murder was accidental during rough sex.

The jury didn't believe him.

jmo

 

[wary]

Possible scenario.
Rough sex: He ties her up. Erotic asphyxiation ensues. She passes out and has a seizure. He panics and kills her with a hammer.

That sounds exactly like premeditated murder to me. Remember, premeditated is not the same as ‘preplanned.’

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Was this the only bed in the hous did he replace it?

No , not at all. He had other rooms. We assume he was attempting to replace because an adjustable bed frame was delivered and is still in box beside house.

 

[Jethro4WS]

It's extremely unlikely that any defense attorney would use a defense that admitted that the client committed murder. And that's the only reason this line of thinking is interesting, at least to me.

Unless of course, they were hoping that after his conviction, they could get an incompetent defense appeal underway (stranger things have happened).

I do not think a judge is going to allow a defense attorney to go down that road, though again, stranger things have happened.

BBM. Let me suggest the Aubrey Trail defense in the Sydney Loofe case. He was just found guilty yesterday. Bailey Boswell has an upcoming trial in that same case but her defense team has not yet revealed their defense.

 

[Deleted member 278]

It's extremely unlikely that any defense attorney would use a defense that admitted that the client committed murder. And that's the only reason this line of thinking is interesting, at least to me.

Unless of course, they were hoping that after his conviction, they could get an incompetent defense appeal underway (stranger things have happened).

I do not think a judge is going to allow a defense attorney to go down that road, though again, stranger things have happened.

I didn't say it would be used as a defense. I said it's what I think happened.

 

[Inthedetails]

That sounds exactly like premeditated murder to me. Remember, premeditated is not the same as ‘preplanned.’

Exactly. As he was swinging the weapon to hit her on the head, he still had time to stop. In those few seconds of picking up a weapon and using it for harm, that is enough time for premeditation.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 278]

Word of the day: misconstrue

 

[No.Power.Over.Me.Now]

The actual case records of the rape are avail with a subscription service if I reminder correctly. I feel like I may have read them here but can’t find now. You’re right, the press release doesn’t state all the info from the police report but the article linked does. It’s in our media thread as well. Ayoola Ajayi, accused of killing MacKenzie Lueck, was once investigated for rape. And his ex-wife feared him.

That is very disturbing to me that such reports are widely available for a subscription. I do know that media outlets have to file a request for that specific type of information though.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Questions:

1. Someone suggested earlier and I’ve lost it if her wound could be a gunshot. My thought is no, because they called it blunt force trauma, correct?

I assume there are ways you can tell that with patterns of entry and broken bones.

2. The bone that was found “at the home” presumably the burn pile—If it were skull would they have called it bone? I believe skull is bone, but do you think there is more to why they didn’t say, skull bone or what bone it was?

 

[diggndeeperstill]

That is very disturbing to me that such reports are widely available for a subscription. I do know that media outlets have to file a request for that specific type of information though.

I don’t know that it named the survivor by name. I just remember questioning why it was necessary for the officer to include “that they worked together” in the report.

In my state everything is available online for free. Traffic tickets, court records, etc.

 

[Puzzled25]

That is very disturbing to me that such reports are widely available for a subscription. I do know that media outlets have to file a request for that specific type of information though.

They are not available through subscription. This was just a police report in a file.

 

[Puzzled25]

I don’t know that it named the survivor by name. I just remember questioning why it was necessary for the officer to include “that they worked together” in the report.

In my state everything is available online for free. Traffic tickets, court records, etc.

But likely not police reports that never resulted in a charge.

 

[SoCalGirl]

Possible scenario.
Rough sex: He ties her up. Erotic asphyxiation ensues. She passes out and has a seizure. He panics and kills her with a hammer.

Panicking and killing her after an accident is not the same as death from rough sex.

 

[MassGuy]

Is he serious?!

JUL 11, 2019
Former prosecutor says Mackenzie Lueck murder case is ‘lacking an eyewitness’
[...]

The questions, according to former prosecutor and current defense attorney Kent Morgan, are many.

“Is this truly all they have?” said Morgan.

He says cell phone evidence is not witness testimony, which could make the case harder to prove.

“All of this evidence is lacking an eyewitness as to what happened. All of this evidence requires you to draw inferences from the forensic evidence,” said Morgan.

“What we have is geek evidence — that shows where phones are. What we have is post-death evidence that shows where the deceased was and what happened to the deceased. What we’re missing is who did it. And what was the motive for it?” said Morgan.

[...]

This explains why he is a “former prosecutor.”

The eyewitness is dead, jackass.

I’m sure the victim’s families loved this hard charging bull.

“Sorry, but unless we have a video of him committing the crime, someone who witnessed him committing the crime, and a confession, then there’s nothing I can do.”

 

[cedgison]

I think that’s weird a neighbor wants to keep a tree alive on her killers property who snuffed out her life. Go to her apt property and water a tree or plant a new one not at her killers property.

Agree; I thought the same.

 

[PatLaurel]

I'm sorry if this has been mentioned already, i'm still a few pages behind. I just came across a new link available in my region (EU) regarding yesterday's PC that reads: "Police say Ajayi and Lueck were communicating the day before and on the day she disappeared, but have not said if he was the person who picked her up at Hatch Park."
I don't recall Sim Gill or anyone mentioning this before.
I don't know if this a reliable media source, but it seems they are implying that "there might be someone else involved"? AA might not be the person who picked ML up at the park?
Maybe i'm not getting the right "message" here since i'm not a native english speaker... I would like your help thoughts. Thanks.
JMO. Speculation.

DA officially charges Ayoola Ajayi with first-degree murder of MacKenzie Lueck

If the link goes against the forum rules please let me know or report the post. Tks.

 

[wary]

Questions:

1. Someone suggested earlier and I’ve lost it if her wound could be a gunshot. My thought is no, because they called it blunt force trauma, correct?

I assume there are ways you can tell that with patterns of entry and broken bones.

2. The bone that was found “at the home” presumably the burn pile—If it were skull would they have called it bone? I believe skull is bone, but do you think there is more to why they didn’t say, skull bone or what bone it was?

Warning: graphic

You are correct—they called it blunt force trauma. And that’s not how they’d describe a gunshot wound. I’m sure there’s all sorts of ways to differentiate, as you said, with the pattern of entry, the way the bones fractured. But I think there’s a more obvious way—a layman could almost do it. With a gunshot wound, one of two things would happen—either an exit wound on the other side of her skull, or the bullet would remain in her skull and could be detected by x-ray.

2: In the press conference, I believe the DA referred to it as ‘a bone.’ For me, that’s not the same as ‘a piece of bone.’ I wonder if it could be something small, like a toe bone, that came off as he tried to burn her body.

 

[ClaireNC]

Questions:

1. Someone suggested earlier and I’ve lost it if her wound could be a gunshot. My thought is no, because they called it blunt force trauma, correct?

I assume there are ways you can tell that with patterns of entry and broken bones.

2. The bone that was found “at the home” presumably the burn pile—If it were skull would they have called it bone? I believe skull is bone, but do you think there is more to why they didn’t say, skull bone or what bone it was?

If it was a gunshot wound they would have called it a gunshot wound. And yes, skull bone is bone. The investigation is ongoing and they are only disclosing details that are necessary to show probable cause for the charges. There is no reason to define which bone it was.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm sorry if this has been mentioned already, i'm still a few pages behind. I just came across a new link available in my region (EU) regarding yesterday's PC that reads: "Police say Ajayi and Lueck were communicating the day before and on the day she disappeared, but have not said if he was the person who picked her up at Hatch Park."
I don't recall Sim Gill or anyone mentioning this before.
I don't know if this a reliable media source, but it seems they are implying that "there might be someone else involved"? AA might not be the person who picked ML up at the park?
Maybe i'm not getting the right "message" here since i'm not a native english speaker... I would like your help thoughts. Thanks.
JMO. Speculation.

DA officially charges Ayoola Ajayi with first-degree murder of MacKenzie Lueck

If the link goes against the forum rules please let me know or report the post. Tks.

Since she met him in the middle of the night, texting the "day before" would be any texts before midnight. Texting "on the day" would mean after midnight.

AA told LE he was texting her at 6pm, which would technically be "the day before."

jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

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