Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #18 *ARREST*

[Jax49]

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[MizStery]

It has been quite the week for Lady Justice. Here with Kenzie with AA charged, Savannah Spurlock was found and a man arrested and hopefully more charges to come and now I just read that Andreen McDonald was found and her husband arrested and charged with murder.

It does not bring them back, nothing will but getting some news with regard to justice for the victims is good, yet also so very bittersweet.

Jmo.

From the article at KSL.com; DA Gill said it was too early to say whether his office would seek the death penalty, and by law that decision doesn't have to be made until after a preliminary hearing and an arraignment.

How could this be anything other than a death penalty case?

How does the defense explain Ajayi accidentally hitting MacKenzie with a weapon to cause a 5-centimeter hole in her head. Ajaki planned to kill MacKenzie and destroy her remains. Premeditated period.

Suspect assaulted Utah student Mackenzie Lueck, then burned her body, charges say

By Pat Reavy, KSL | Updated - Jul 10th, 2019 @ 5:30pm | Posted - Jul 10th, 2019 @ 10:10am


Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill declined to say Wednesday if or what kind of weapon Ajayi might have used to cause a 5-centimeter hole.
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An initial appearance in court is scheduled for Monday, and a scheduling conference for the high-profile case has already been scheduled for July 29. Ajayi is being held without bail.
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With a charge of aggravated murder, Ajayi could potentially face a possible death penalty if convicted. Gill said it was too early to say whether his office would seek the death penalty, and by law that decision doesn't have to be made until after a preliminary hearing and an arraignment.


Suspect assaulted Utah student Mackenzie Lueck, then burned her body, charges say
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MOO

 

[night train]

At the end of the day AA will get his. He is a predator.

But if you try to look past the circumstances of how ML even made the choice to meet him that hour then you're doing society and future victims no justice.

BBM
That's been my "realistic" side's thought from the beginning.

I keep thinking of the sweet young girl who held birthdays for her cat with a "cake" formed from cat food.

A brighter sunnier better world.

Even without knowing ML....
Sympathy and other emotions make it hard to acknowledge that reality is more messy and confusing than I'd like it to be.

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[Gingerbread7]

Does anyone know where AA was from in Nigeria? Curious about his background there. He came over here in 2009, so he was approximately 21 years old when he came to the United States.

 

[Whiteorchids]

On the last thread? Can anyone link to that? I remember that being said on an early thread, but after Poppy* (don’t remember the full name) became a VI didn’t that change to us being allowed to discuss it in a non-victim-blaming way?

This is after that more recent. I’m at work Im sorry I can’t look for it now.

 

[CocoChanel]

MOD NOTE:

WHILE IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED THAT THE VICTIM IN THIS CASE HAD EXPERIENCE IN THE SUGAR DADDY/SUGAR BABY LIFESTYLE, THERE HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO MSM ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT IT PLAYED ANY PART IN THIS TERRIBLE CRIME.

MEMBERS POSTING GENERAL OPINIONS AND PERSONAL BELIEFS ABOUT THE SD/SB LIFESTYLE ARE POSTING OFF TOPIC, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF TOS, AND THESE POSTS WILL BE REMOVED. SUCH POSTS DO NOTHING TO FURTHER THE DISCUSSION OF THIS CASE, AND IN FACT, HINDER THE SMOOTH FLOW OF CONVERSATION.

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[BradB]

Harmony2 nailed it with the safety tips post.

It can be used for everybody really.

 

[kikukohime]

At the end of the day AA will get his. He is a predator.

But if you try to look past the circumstances of how ML even made the choice to meet him that hour then you're doing society and future victims no justice.

When it comes to the trial, facts, evidence and logical reality is all that is going to matter.
The court is going to have to address all facets of her life, removed from people's reactionary emotions and just presented in a plain logical way, merely to establish the surrounding atmosphere of the case. The prosecution are going to do that in a logical way that tries to remove the sensationalism from it, where as the defense will capitalise.
Either way, it will be spoken of.

I don't think some people will get their emotionally driven theories confirmed, perhaps by the trial they'll have lost interest in this case. That's the thing about trials - they don't sanitise for anyone.
It will be used to not only address the media reports, to put them into context, but also establish how AA and ML were as people, how they came to cross paths.
Which I think will be vital in protecting justice for ML. She's had so much sensationalism written about her, it needs to be put back into a healthy context and talked about rationally.

In a case like this, the personalities and contributing atmosphere of the situation are going to be discussed as much as the life ending actions of AA.
Regardless of everything, humanizing ML is going to be needed to temper the sensationalism as well as contrast it to intense, violent reality of AA.

 

[ClaireNC]

Does anyone know where AA was from in Nigeria? Curious about his background there. He came over here in 2009, so he was approximately 21 years old when he came to the United States.

There is not much out there on his life in Nigeria. Here is a map link to his hometown: Google Maps

 

[Charlot123]

When it comes to the trial, facts, evidence and logical reality is all that is going to matter.
The court is going to have to address all facets of her life, removed from people's reactionary emotions and just presented in a plain logical way, merely to establish the surrounding atmosphere of the case. The prosecution are going to do that in a logical way that tries to remove the sensationalism from it, where as the defense will capitalise.
Either way, it will be spoken of.

I don't think some people will get their emotionally driven theories confirmed, perhaps by the trial they'll have lost interest in this case. That's the thing about trials - they don't sanitise for anyone.
It will be used to not only address the media reports, to put them into context, but also establish how AA and ML were as people, how they came to cross paths.
Which I think will be vital in protecting justice for ML. She's had so much sensationalism written about her, it needs to be put back into a healthy context and talked about rationally.

In a case like this, the personalities and contributing atmosphere of the situation are going to be discussed as much as the life ending actions of AA.
Regardless of everything, humanizing ML is going to be needed to temper the sensationalism as well as contrast it to intense, violent reality of AA.

BBM.

Very true. As well as to support her family and friends.

 

[10ofRods]

Someone did post this information, several threads back. I want to say it was Lagos, but that's just from memory. The person posting made a point about it being a Yoruban neighborhood.

At any rate, it was a big urban place, very crowded, and that's why I'm sticking by my view that AA is a city boy. He knows very little about fires, canyons, wilderness, Utah's wilderness, etc. I'm also basing that on the fact the he didn't bother to visit the site assigned to him by his geology prof.

 

[10ofRods]

There is not much out there on his life in Nigeria. Here is a map link to his hometown: Google Maps

Thank you Claire! So it's northeast of Lagos, in a medium sized town. Still pretty urban.

 

[Gingerbread7]

Thank you Claire! So it's northeast of Lagos, in a medium sized town. Still pretty urban.

Hmmm...a fairly unstable area in the 1990s and 2000s. High crime rates. We have not heard anything about his family really outside they are represented by Janet Fashakin. I find this really curious.

 

[10ofRods]

Yes, definitely a high crime area, then and now. It's not an easy place to emigrant.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Someone did post this information, several threads back. I want to say it was Lagos, but that's just from memory. The person posting made a point about it being a Yoruban neighborhood.

At any rate, it was a big urban place, very crowded, and that's why I'm sticking by my view that AA is a city boy. He knows very little about fires, canyons, wilderness, Utah's wilderness, etc. I'm also basing that on the fact the he didn't bother to visit the site assigned to him by his geology prof.

I have spent my entire 58 years of life living at various locations within the city limits of Sacramento California.

Starting in my youth I've spent a good amount of time in more rural or wilderness environments and built many fires.

The point is this, a persons address doesn't limit their knowledge about a particular subject. JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

DBM, wrong thread.

 

[10ofRods]

I have spent my entire 58 years of life living at various locations within the city limits of Sacramento California.

Starting in my youth I've spent a good amount of time in more rural or wilderness environments and built many fires.

The point is this, a persons address doesn't limit their knowledge about a particular subject. JMO.

I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that it's obvious he knew very little about outdoor fires, bonfires, and about where to dump a body in Utah's vast wilderness!

Niger and Nigeria are like living in the vast Mojave Desert. But with way more people crowded into dry, dusty villages where wood is rare. There are no national parks, no designated wilderness - all land is claimed by someone. There's no place to have a wilderness experience. Dry camping? That's something people do only when they know they have a car and water is a drive away.

So yes, people from Baker or Barstow who get an hour outside of town will have "wilderness" knowledge - of the desert. I live in LA but the vast majority of my 600-700 students per year have never been outside the city.

He's into cameras and online stuff. He's not into how to hike into the woods with a burden and hide it so it would be hard to find. Even if he hadn't let the police to the body with his phone, it would have been found soon enough - it was not far from a road in a very well used urban escape area. Which he probably didn't know. He had lived near it, so that's what he knew (and it was barely out of town - it would be like you going over the American River and into an industrial area and dumping a body - Utah's byroads are well-traveled, by locals, daily).

He didn't know that a fire wouldn't reduce bones. moo

It's something that kids who've grown up in the inter-mountain region, camping, would know from early childhood. There's not a lot of wood to collect and burn in Nigeria (or nearby Niger). It disappeared long ago. To him, there was no place away from prying eyes (and yet...locals in Utah have managed to hide bodies longterm, because they know the area).

Again, he had a very poor plan for body disposal, if you ask me. Even if it was last minute.

 

[Gingerbread7]

AA came here and attempted to adapt into a new culture at the age of 21. I am not finding any mention of his family outside of Janet Farashkin and a man, Dill, who described AA as “Joy” when he took AA under his wing when he first joined the church in Utah. So, what I am seeing is you have this 21 year old, who comes over here as a student, marries a pregnant woman with children but never consummated the marriage yet sends her money (so he paid for his green card), fails out of college, steals an iPad, it’s discovered he is living homeless on the college campus, joins the Utah National Guard, doesn’t pass the medical, rapes a woman but is not charged, goes back to college but doesn’t get a degree, then suddenly has low level computer jobs, is able to buy a house, camera equipment, computer equipment and establish an Airbnb. Who helped this guy?

One of my friends, who grew up in a war torn country, told me, he is like a bridge between his parents, from his native country, and his children, who grew up here. My friend feels like he belongs and fits in nowhere. He can’t go back to his country he was raised in, yet he never fit in here. Looking at AA’s Facebook posts and responses, I see some of that. I think he desperately wanted to fit in, but just didn’t.

AA was doing ok on the surface. He had turned his life around. I wonder what it is we are not seeing. How was he able to go from barely making it, just holding on homeless to homeowner? No one has ever mentioned his family. This guy is a true loner. We don’t even know if he comes from a middle class background in Nigeria.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that it's obvious he knew very little about outdoor fires, bonfires, and about where to dump a body in Utah's vast wilderness!

Niger and Nigeria are like living in the vast Mojave Desert. But with way more people crowded into dry, dusty villages where wood is rare. There are no national parks, no designated wilderness - all land is claimed by someone. There's no place to have a wilderness experience. Dry camping? That's something people do only when they know they have a car and water is a drive away.

So yes, people from Baker or Barstow who get an hour outside of town will have "wilderness" knowledge - of the desert. I live in LA but the vast majority of my 600-700 students per year have never been outside the city.

He's into cameras and online stuff. He's not into how to hike into the woods with a burden and hide it so it would be hard to find. Even if he hadn't let the police to the body with his phone, it would have been found soon enough - it was not far from a road in a very well used urban escape area. Which he probably didn't know. He had lived near it, so that's what he knew (and it was barely out of town - it would be like you going over the American River and into an industrial area and dumping a body - Utah's byroads are well-traveled, by locals, daily).

He didn't know that a fire wouldn't reduce bones. moo

It's something that kids who've grown up in the inter-mountain region, camping, would know from early childhood. There's not a lot of wood to collect and burn in Nigeria (or nearby Niger). It disappeared long ago. To him, there was no place away from prying eyes (and yet...locals in Utah have managed to hide bodies longterm, because they know the area).

Again, he had a very poor plan for body disposal, if you ask me. Even if it was last minute.

Thanks for your reply.

I doubt that most people who have experience in outdoor living have much experience in trying to cremate animal or human remains. JMO

 

[Gingerbread7]

And two more observations:

When I look at his arrest photos and mugshot, I see no emotion, nothing. It is like he is already dead, empty, a shell. Usually, you will see at least some fleeting emotion, even if it is regret in getting caught or duper’s delight, but this guy..he just looks so blank.

And I am shocked by the statement regarding the death penalty. It makes me think this case is much larger than just AA. It makes me wonder about what he was doing with his cameras and the neighbors’ comments about the females coming in and out. It makes me wonder who might have initially financed him.

 

[MsBetsy]

Someone did post this information, several threads back. I want to say it was Lagos, but that's just from memory. The person posting made a point about it being a Yoruban neighborhood.

At any rate, it was a big urban place, very crowded, and that's why I'm sticking by my view that AA is a city boy. He knows very little about fires, canyons, wilderness, Utah's wilderness, etc. I'm also basing that on the fact the he didn't bother to visit the site assigned to him by his geology prof.

Is that really where he is from? It's apparently rated the second worst city in the world.
It is known, however, for technology startups. They just recently got access to cable. Imo