Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #19 *ARREST*

[Mspionage]

The last I heard, there was some debate about whether snuff videos for commercial use actually existed—and the official viewpoint was that they didn’t.

Snuff Films

So I feel really skeptical of the idea that AA would be the first to do this.

Well that is pretty much where I am going with this. One doesn't simply go directly into CP photos and videos or snuff films. They either graduate into it through a long track record or they are working with others in a ring. Look at AA and ask yourselves if that guy, with what you know, is capable of procuring a bunch of kids without any help. I mean is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? I do not think so. Everything we know about him and our profile of him seems to contradict him figuring all that out on his own and creating his own network to procure or sell it. If the profile (at least my personal profile of him) is correct then he is not alone in this endeavor. The question is where and why did Kenzie Lueck fit into this situation.

 

[Kittybunny]

Well that is pretty much where I am going with this. One doesn't simply go directly into CP photos and videos or snuff films. They either graduate into it through a long track record or they are working with others in a ring. Look at AA and ask yourselves if that guy, with what you know, is capable of procuring a bunch of kids without any help. I mean is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? I do not think so. Everything we know about him and our profile of him seems to contradict him figuring all that out on his own and creating his own network to procure or sell it. If the profile (at least my personal profile of him) is correct then he is not alone in this endeavor. The question is where and why did Kenzie Lueck fit into this situation.

I think I missed something...how do we know he procured the children and created the images? I thought they were simply found on his computer, and there were only 17 pictures (not that 1 is not too many). There is a lot of child out there on the not even that dark webs that can be downloaded. Like you said, he ain't that smart or hard-working, so I don't believe he necessarily was the picture taker.

 

[marcolepsy]

The last I heard, there was some debate about whether snuff videos for commercial use actually existed—and the official viewpoint was that they didn’t.

Snuff Films

So I feel really skeptical of the idea that AA would be the first to do this.

There are definitely purposely made videos of murders. One doesn't need to look too hard to find websites full of Brazilian and Mexican gang murders or African "necklacing" that AA liked to write about or the beheadings of the Scandanavian campers in Morocco last year. There are also numerous galleries of dead women archived and labeled in ways that make it clear that people are getting off to this stuff. But I've never seen a video that was filmed from the ground up for the specific intention of causing sexual gratification by a 3rd party. What is disturbing is the amount of "kidnap" and "abduction" and "necro" content that is gradually filling up the shady ends of the adult aggregator sites (adjusts collar and stammers . . . so I'm told by people).

 

[Seattle1]

There are definitely purposely made videos of murders. One doesn't need to look too hard to find websites full of Brazilian and Mexican gang murders or African "necklacing" that AA liked to write about or the beheadings of the Scandanavian campers in Morocco last year. There are also numerous galleries of dead women archived and labeled in ways that make it clear that people are getting off to this stuff. But I've never seen a video that was filmed from the ground up for the specific intention of causing sexual gratification by a 3rd party. What is disturbing is the amount of "kidnap" and "abduction" and "necro" content that is gradually filling up the shady ends of the adult aggregator sites (adjusts collar and stammers . . . so I'm told by people).

I guess you missed this recent story.

Teenagers in Alaska are facing murder charges after allegedly shooting a 19-year-old and dumping her body in a river at the behest of an internet fraudster who offered money for the footage.

Alaska Teens Charged With Murder After Fake Millionaire Allegedly Bribed Them | HuffPost

 

[marcolepsy]

I guess you missed this recent story.

Teenagers in Alaska are facing murder charges after allegedly shooting a 19-year-old and dumping her body in a river at the behest of an internet fraudster who offered money for the footage.

Alaska Teens Charged With Murder After Fake Millionaire Allegedly Bribed Them | HuffPost

That case is kind of an outlier, IMO. I feel like fake-millionaire guy was as surprised that they actually did it as those morons were when they found out he was just some penniless pud. It wasn't exactly your textbook account of institutionalized murder for .

 

[sparkleghost]

One doesn't need to look too hard to find websites full of Brazilian and Mexican gang murders or African "necklacing" that AA liked to write about or the beheadings of the Scandanavian campers in Morocco last year.

RSBM

Dare I ask what “necklacing” is? I’m sort of afraid to put it into Google...

 

[Mspionage]

so I don't believe he necessarily was the picture taker.

Exactly. His profile makes it fairly clear as to what he was interested in sexually. So the CP would be the "source of income". This is all speculation mind you and I absolutely believe (have always believed) he was involved in the CP business in one way or another but we are dealing with two distinctly different criminology types at the moment wrapped into one subject. Therefore we have to logically consider that he was connected to a larger ring in regards to the children. If that is indeed the case then the question must be asked of where did Lueck tie into that, was she a loose end, did she see something that put him/his potential group in danger, etc?

 

[Mspionage]

RSBM

Dare I ask what “necklacing” is? I’m sort of afraid to put it into Google...

Deceased tied into a rubber tire and set ablaze. Common brutal execution method in some African areas.

 

[marcolepsy]

Exactly. His profile makes it fairly clear as to what he was interested in sexually. So the CP would be the "source of income". This is all speculation mind you and I absolutely believe (have always believed) he was involved in the CP business in one way or another but we are dealing with two distinctly different criminology types at the moment wrapped into one subject. Therefore we have to logically consider that he was connected to a larger ring in regards to the children. If that is indeed the case then the question must be asked of where did Lueck tie into that, was she a loose end, did she see something that put him/his potential group in danger, etc?

I've wondered the same thing - that she saw something or he opened up to her about it or he straight up asked her, "Hey, can you pose like THIS?" and she was like I'm outta here.

 

[marcolepsy]

Deceased tied into a rubber tire and set ablaze. Common brutal execution method in some African areas.

Don't forget that the tire is usually stuffed with newspapers and kindling and there are copious amounts of gasoline involved.

 

[Jealoushe]

Exactly. His profile makes it fairly clear as to what he was interested in sexually. So the CP would be the "source of income". This is all speculation mind you and I absolutely believe (have always believed) he was involved in the CP business in one way or another but we are dealing with two distinctly different criminology types at the moment wrapped into one subject. Therefore we have to logically consider that he was connected to a larger ring in regards to the children. If that is indeed the case then the question must be asked of where did Lueck tie into that, was she a loose end, did she see something that put him/his potential group in danger, etc?

I think the description of CP images makes it clear that are someones specific preference, they are all of the same type/set up of photo. Definitely for one person, my guess is AA. I don't think he was making it, I think he wanted to eventually. I think he used his cameras to spy on anyone in his house who stayed there, including women he may have brought back.

 

[Mspionage]

I think the description of CP images makes it clear that are someones specific preference, they are all of the same type/set up of photo. Definitely for one person, my guess is AA. I don't think he was making it, I think he wanted to eventually. I think he used his cameras to spy on anyone in his house who stayed there, including women he may have brought back.

Look at his background as well and the photos he took (of himself). It fits the profile. Well, better stated, it reinforces the profile. An adult man who is attracted to and gravitates toward women does not dress up as a female and does not have sexual images of children. These are two distinctly clashing situations.

 

[Jealoushe]

Look at his background as well and the photos he took (of himself). It fits the profile. Well, better stated, it reinforces the profile. An adult man who is attracted to and gravitates toward women does not dress up as a female and does not have sexual images of children. These are two distinctly clashing situations.

I don't know if I understand your post correctly.

Yes, many men who are into CP also are into women, they just prefer children. It is part of their MO - hiding in plain sight. So they date women, they arent going to openly date children.

Also, some killers have no preference for men, women, children, or older. Some just want whatever they can get. Also, if they are a sexual deviant with a very high drive, not being able to get to a child could make them go for an adult woman.

Also, there are lots of men who dress as women that are attracted to women. My friend is married to one.

Please correct me if I misunderstood your comment, and of course MOO.

 

[Mspionage]

I don't know if I understand your post correctly.

Yes, many men who are into CP also are into women, they just prefer children. It is part of their MO - hiding in plain sight. So they date women, they arent going to openly date children.

Also, some killers have no preference for men, women, children, or older. Some just want whatever they can get. Also, if they are a sexual deviant with a very high drive, not being able to get to a child could make them go for an adult woman.

Also, there are lots of men who dress as women that are attracted to women. My friend is married to one.

Please correct me if I misunderstood your comment, and of course MOO.

Well you see that's the thing, he wasn't dating her so the hiding in plain sight plausibility is really reduced significantly. From all accounts they might have (although I have seen nothing to confirm this from a reliable source) known each other for a little while but there is just no evidence to say they were dating. If they were dating/together I could definitely see this is plausible that he was using her to blend in but from all (known) material it appears he just hired her at the most so there would be no hiding in plain sight on that. In fact that would make him even more of a suspect if anything happened as that would open him up to phone records, potential witnesses, etc. You're right though about the potential of him looking for a woman, possibly someone in the prostitution business, as a substitute for what he really likes. But why kill her if that was the case? So this opens up my thinking that she perhaps discovered, heard, or saw something that made her a liability.

On a sidenote I have never known a man who dresses like a woman who was into women. Not saying I don't believe you of course but from the cases I have looked into through my life and, more importantly, just normal everyday life as being a man I have never seen that to be the case. You really think there are "lots"?

 

[ilovechili]

Based on if not facts, then info we have that appears to be strongly possible fact.

He has a book mentioning things like necklacing, torture, etc.

He rapes adult women.

He either through some way or another, played somegame on SB/SD sites or some other way he met KL and it may have had to do with his cameras or online stuff, or SB/SD stuff, hard to say.

He had cameras all over his B&B upstairs and down.

He owned a B&B that I am not sure was a typical one, or at least not all of the time...

He asked a contractor to build basically a HIDDEN room as a possible bondage, torture, SM, holding hostage type of room in the basement no less where B & B guests would be...

Now we know of possession of child , all females and some extremely young, and all very young.

I could go on but those are the top things that point to a few things imo.

It is all female, the control, rape, torture, in KL's case, death and desecration.

Age does not seem to matter or he can easily cross it.

Type of sex act is all over the place most likely (although what we know shows CONTROL and age does not matter to him, he crosses several types of things--bondage, children, rape of women and now death of one--the hints to me show a sick individual but thus far all are female--and in all cases he controls and dominates or rapes women and has the same interest in control of children based on the sick description of the poses/acts of children. Not saying he took them, we do not know, but it shows his interests. While his acts cross ages, they seem to be the same in control of any female, whether minor or adult.

I hope LE and feds are moving fast because these little girls are in some horrible probably daily life--I hope they find the men in the pics in the acts and who else may be behind it.

I still think this is bigger than we have heard yet. This was no ordinary B & B or at least that was not what his plan was.

His computer, etc. was probably a gold mine. Whether the remainder will be chargeable or whether we will ever hear of it, hard to say.

And to agree with posters above, many men who are interested in children are married and have children as we have seen in many cases, or a gf.

Finally, like many, when his "wife" said something like those poor "kids" I put it down to calling a young woman or college girl a kid. Now I am not so sure, perhaps she was asked about these pictures and whether she had any clue of his activities.

All just my opinion based on what I feel we have seen and has been hinted at since day one.

 

[Jealoushe]

On a sidenote I have never known a man who dresses like a woman who was into women. Not saying I don't believe you of course but from the cases I have looked into through my life and, more importantly, just normal everyday life as being a man I have never seen that to be the case. You really think there are "lots"?

Yes I do, I know of at least 2, my friend and there was a man on a dating site in my town who openly lived as a woman and wanted to date women. So, I can only surmise it's not that crazy uncommon. Maybe not 1 in 10 but maybe 1 in 1000, which is still a lot. I know it seems to go against what everyone would think, I just think its more acceptable to live how you want now so we hear about these things more where before they were kept quiet.

IMO, he into everything, but we know that those who are into "taboo" sex usually need to escalate, and so maybe normal wasn't doing it for him and he was venturing into the CP. I don't think Kenzie was the person he was hiding behind, but just his lifestyle, sleeping with many women if we can draw that conclusion from his room mates.

I also think it is possible he just had no clue how to get close to a child, it was easier for him to get a victim close to his own age.

JMO of course.

 

[margarita25]

Look at his background as well and the photos he took (of himself). It fits the profile. Well, better stated, it reinforces the profile. An adult man who is attracted to and gravitates toward women does not dress up as a female and does not have sexual images of children. These are two distinctly clashing situations.

Russell Williams wore women’s clothes. It’s not thaaat uncommon, moo.

“...he was a compulsive sexual predator who stalked his female victims, stole their lingerie, and spent countless hours photographing himself while wearing their bras, dresses and underwear. Some of the bedrooms he targeted belonged to girls as young as 11 years old.”

The dark, depraved side of Russell Williams revealed in court - Macleans.ca

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There are some predators who prey on both adults and children.

 

[ilovechili]

Russell Williams wore women’s clothes. It’s not thaaat uncommon, moo.

“...he was a compulsive sexual predator who stalked his female victims, stole their lingerie, and spent countless hours photographing himself while wearing their bras, dresses and underwear. Some of the bedrooms he targeted belonged to girls as young as 11 years old.”

The dark, depraved side of Russell Williams revealed in court - Macleans.ca

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There are some predators who prey on both adults and children.

So did Dennis Rader dress as a woman, there are photos, was married had children and killed adults and children, male and female, over many years.

Jmo.

 

[PommyMommy]

JMO, but AA's ex was referring to MacKenzie when she used the word "child."

JULY 1, 2019
Estranged wife of man arrested for MacKenzie Lueck's murder says she feared for her life
“I don’t understand. Why would he do something like [this]? I didn’t know he was someone that would harm a child," she said.

“My heart goes out to the little girl that got killed. It’s like more emotion because it’s my husband and he killed a child," she said.

 

[Skigh]

So was the woman he had an arranged marriage with connected to something AA was involved in and she mistook Kenzie for another girl?