Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #4

[ludakristen]

Okay so. Another theory that hasn't been discussed much.

She has an ex boyfriend right? Someone whom she dated for a while, like a year+?

Think about going through the trauma of a funeral of a close family member. Maybe she was looking for that familiar comfort. Not a SD or random hookup but maybe she reached out to her ex. They text all weekend, he agrees to meet her and spend some time with her. Maybe he's in a new relationship so he's being extra discreet about it. And she's very familiar with him, hence the comfy clothing.

Does this sound possible? Is he still in the area?

 

[Snoop Sister]

MOO I think she met up someone for a date type situation/sexual encounter.

This person hasn't contacted police. IMO that means one of two things:
1) This person is guilty of doing something to ML or still having her now.
2) They are innocent of harming her but don't want other people (namely a spouse perhaps) to know they were having this relationship on the side. In this scenario, they would have had their date and he would have left her when she was alive and well and something happened to her after that.

I am leaning toward scenario #1. I guess I'm not ruling out scenario #2. The only other possibility is that whoever she met didn't harm her and has no idea she is missing, but I am basically totally crossing that off. This has made national news, so someone local surely has heard about this.

To me it is obvious as I have stated a few times before ...she is either being held against her will or she is no longer with us.

Her casual dress in meeting someone isn’t really that odd in this day and age...however, it does give me the impression that it was someone she met up with on a previous occasion(s). Moo

 

[SoCalGirl]

I still think that’s an incredible stretch, and unlikely based on the facts as we know them.

That still image captured a tiny moment in time.

I’m sure someone could go through those videos, and find stills that show nearly every human emotion, none of them a genuine reflection of what she was feeling at the moment.

Anything is possible of course, but I think this is simple.

She met up with someone she had previously interacted with, and something went wrong.

Pretty much THIS! ^^^^^^^

 

[Hatfield]

Not necessarily. I live here and despise the airport. It’s under construction and a pain in the butt to navigate right now, especially at night. I even had my own mother take a uber to the nearest park n ride station and met her there; picked her up from there.

Thanks so much for the local insight. More ammunition why it would be somewhat normal to arrange to meet somewhere other than the airport.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I get your point, but my guess is she wanted to see him (fairly sure it’s a him) more than he wanted to see her and she made concessions by meeting close to where he was. Or she was being selfless and offered because of the time. At 3 am even driving 15 minutes can seem long if you’ve been sleeping.

Fairly sure it was a him as well. LE maybe just saying not sure a male or female for their own investigative reasons.

 

[jcoast]

Why is everyone so hung up on the dang bags? I'm a year older than Mackenzie and I have put my own bags in the car when having a friend who is male pick me up from traveling. Who cares how big the bag was; maybe it wasn't that heavy. This is such a weird detail for people to get hung up on as if a girl in her 20s would/should never have to lift her own bag into a car. Also, based on the fact that she's now missing with whoever picked her up, I feel like it's fair to assume that they probably weren't the helpful type that would jump out of the car upon seeing her luggage.

I get that sometimes that small details hold the biggest clues, but this one really bugs me.

Because it possible the driver unloaded the bags from his car and loaded them into the other vehicle...and then develops amnesia. After all it's been four whole days since he dropped off a young and very attractive single female in the middle of nowhere at three in the morning. Nope...don't recall anything about other vehicle or driver. Professional drivers are very aware of other vehicles, makes and models. I think a little more digging re this exchange is reasonable.

 

[shanadk]

If we are all speculating, and no one knows for sure.....then why was my theory shunned?

 

[SoCalGirl]

I respectfully disagree, @MassGuy .
Look at what was different about Kenzie's weekend from her typical weekend. One main thing was different:
Grandmother's funeral/travelled to LA.
We start there.
Someone she met in Los Angeles that weekend. Never met before.
He could be from LA or he could be a foreign traveller but they met either on plane or in LA.
Kenzie gives him her number. Figures she will never see the guy again. A brief encounter.
He asks casually, When do you return to SLC? She tells him....
He shows up at airport Sunday night.

Don't see much likelihood of this. Wouldn't she think it odd if someone who was on the plane with her texts her from the airport where she is currently waiting for her luggage, doesn't offer her a ride somewhere (which maybe I could see), but instead, leaves the airport in his own car and then asks her to take a Lyft to some park 10 minutes away to meet him? If people find it hard to believe someone would meet someone they already knew at the park at 3:00 AM, this would have to be a total stretch of the imagination.

 

[kirk2010]

I don’t know why people think this podcast is so great? There is nothing new in that podcast.

The podcast is also done badly, it is near unlistenable.

 

[savedabeez20]

Because of all the discreteness of this though...I am starting to think that this wasn't an accident, and that whatever happened was thought out ahead of time.

 

[gingerbread]

I wasn’t referencing phone contact in that post, I was just talking about human interaction.

A reporter asked a question about if she used her phone, and if I recall correctly, the answer was “I don’t know.”

I don’t understand why LE said they don’t know if she used her phone at the airport - how else would she have ordered her Lyft ride? Unless they mean they don’t know if she placed or received a call?

 

[Jethro4WS]

What happens if they both have burner phones can LE still get information?

If she did have a second phone ... Yes. But first they would have to find out the identity of at least her second phone. The easiest way to discover it would be because people, no matter how careful they are, can be terrible at OpSec (operational security) and thus do something otherwise innocuous like forward something, like a text message for example, from one phone to the other. That will be one thing they will be looking for - forwarded messages. The harder way is to pull cell tower records for every tower her regular phone was connected to and those records should reveal two phones travelling together from the Salt Lake City Airport to North South Lake unless one or both were off. Well, actually more than two travelling together because the Lyft driver would have at least one. Once a second phone is identified law enforcement can get a warrant for that phone.

 

[SoCalGirl]

LE is trying to get her phone records she met someone at the park after the Lyft driver dropped her off - no description of vehicle or who she met - not even gender - we know nothing except she was at the airport and rode to the park via Lyft lots of speculation in between IMO

We know nothing perhaps because LE has told us nothing. They really don't "owe" us anything. They can have all kinds of info they're not releasing.

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t understand why LE said they don’t know if she used her phone at the airport - how else would she have ordered her Lyft ride? Unless they mean they don’t know if she placed or received a call?

I think that was the implication, that he didn’t know if she placed or received a phone call.

He may know and not want to say, or he may not know.

His detectives are the ones doing the investigating, and he may be unaware of this detail.

 

[PixieStix]

I think this guy could work in just about any profession.

Whoever he is, I think they know each other.

The question is why he continues to remain silent and not come forward.

He either has a lot to lose legally, or a lot to lose in his personal life.

I hope it’s the latter.

But what would be the chances of ML getting a LYFT to the park meeting with someone who wasn't responsible for her disappearance and her running into another strange scenario that then resulted in her disappearance? The person who picked her up at the park has to be involved the likelihood that she went out again after that meeting, which is strange enough on its own and then disappearing seems low. Also, how would she have gotten from the park person to another location to then go missing? Another LYFT? She didn't have her car, so the only options were getting another LYFT home from park person after they hung out, or, the park person planned on bringing her home, or, she planned to call a friend for a ride in the morning. I would also like to believe the person isn't coming forward because they have a lot to lose, but it still doesn't add up what happened to her after and I feel quite sure the park person is the key. I 100% agree they must have known each somewhat well.

 

[ocsalumni]

We haven’t heard anything about her roommates or sorority sisters being interviewed. A couple of her sorority sisters have been leading the media push and handing out flyers.

No, one of her sorority sisters was interviewed and the first article about it was shared by MSM about an hour ago: Mackenzie Lueck's sorority sister on 'alarming' details of missing Utah student's disappearance

 

[SoCalGirl]

Someone who has or had a relationship with ML. I'm not saying that my speculation is right, but I definitely have a POI in mind. Just MOO

Ditto

 

[shanadk]

Don't see much likelihood of this. Wouldn't she think it odd if someone who was on the plane with her texts her from the airport where she is currently waiting for her luggage, doesn't offer her a ride somewhere (which maybe I could see), but instead, leaves the airport in his own car and then asks her to take a Lyft to some park 10 minutes away to meet him? If people find it hard to believe someone would meet someone they already knew at the park at 3:00 AM, this would have to be a total stretch of the imagination.

I disagree. Not a stretch at all.
Her social media shows that Kenzie is a very open minded individual.
I don't think she would be particularly shocked, that someone liked her enough to follow her back to Salt Lake City.
Her initial surprise may quickly turn to flattery, especially if she is feeling down, and needs some attention.
As for the park: he may have texted, and asked if she would meet him 'near his hotel'.
The park may have been his idea..... or it could have been Kenzie's

 

[MassGuy]

But what would be the chances of ML getting a LYFT to the park meeting with someone who wasn't responsible for her disappearance and her running into another strange scenario that then resulted in her disappearance? The person who picked her up at the park has to be involved the likelihood that she went out again after that meeting, which is strange enough on its own and then disappearing seems low. Also, how would she have gotten from the park person to another location to then go missing? Another LYFT? She didn't have her car, so the only options were getting another LYFT home from park person after they hung out, or, the park person planned on bringing her home, or, she planned to call a friend for a ride in the morning. I would also like to believe the person isn't coming forward because they have a lot to lose, but it still doesn't add up what happened to her after and I feel quite sure the park person is the key. I 100% agree they must have known each somewhat well.

Oh yeah. Find the person at the park, and this whole thing will start coming together.

He is the key to this, and if a crime was committed he almost certainly the one responsible.

He knows things. Or did things.

 

[dlharris2712]

Here is a completely different spin on the park meeting; question of drugs; etc. Please note this is all just my opinion...and thoughts from my mind thinking of different scenarios. What if: She was bringing back some sort of drugs (small to medium amount) from LA; and her meeting in the park was to drop them off. She gets in the car to deliver them- they stay or drive away from the park. The "deal" goes down - but the payment to ML for transportation etc, is not what was agreed upon. She is a feisty gal - perhaps there was an argument that got physical...and didn't end well. There are many crimes of this nature here in NorCal and it usually doesn't end well for someone. jmo