Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #5

[SoCalGirl]

I had an Uber driver offer to hook us up with an “herbal essence” while in NM.

Must've looked like you needed something...LOL

 

[MassGuy]

I'm probably overthinking, but I'm still stuck on my idea that this was a first-time meeting with the unknown person.

When communicating with people you know, text seems like one of the top go-to methods. (Yes, I know there are ways to communicate.) It would seem that once she established a relationship with a SD or hook-up person, they would use text rather than an app to communicate.

But when hooking up for the first time, it might be arranged through the app.

If LE can't find the unknown person in her texts, I lean even more heavily toward this being a first-time meeting. (Opinion subject to change as we learn more.)

Now cue everyone to tell me how antiquated texting is and how it means nothing.

jmo

My thinking is that she was relatively savvy when it came to meeting new people, and would have probably had a negative experience in the past.

Something that made her uncomfortable.

Of course I don’t know her, and what we do know is anecdotal.

But I don’t see her meeting up with a new person in a park, at a time like that.

Especially when she had just gotten off a flight, and wasn’t really dressed for that sort of thing.

I just think that her knowing him and having met him before, is far more likely than a first time encounter.

 

[wyome]

Have you found evidence of foul play?

I get where you're coming from, and you may be right. If she did bolt, and the emotional weekend kind of threw that fantasy into motion, it's her right as an adult.

But there's got to be a gray area somewhere, where she has to be aware and accountable for hours of LE and now FBI interference (not to mention parental heart attacks, but that's another story). If she walked away voluntarily, it takes a phone call to say "I'm okay." And even at this point, since over a week's gone by with no word from her, LE would probably insist on a private meeting with her to confirm her identity and safety.

 

[ardean]

MOO
Perhaps we should all be thinking about the potential consequences to her of nonconformity in her family's cultural group. Was she an embarrassment to her family? Did she meet up with an extended family member or friend of her parents' rather than the theoretical SD?? Was a solution to that embarrassment found???
Family conflict doesn't and never has eliminated foul play from the list of possibilities in these sorts of cases.
MOO

Not trying to coach but I tell my adult kids they are never an embarrassment, they always are welcome in my home, no questions asked. We can work anything out and I don't get angry. Still something as simple as a speeding ticket made one avoid coming home for hours, it wasn't a big deal. Parents can be too hard on kids at times and kids can be harder on themselves at times over minute things.

 

[JudgeJoe]

Good grief, Having clicked on various fatherless and associated # and @s, now I'm scared I'm going to find racy #s and @s following me.

Haha- me too! Should be a warning for these accounts. I’m glad this was not an option when I was in college. Without the internet & SM, there were limits to how stupid you could get!

 

[zoso]

I would be surprised if this case did not involve foul play. Sorry.

I would not be surprised the Lyft driver may have become involved mid route or once at the park. If she was yanked out of the car, and the lyft guy was threatened by poi, he may have wanted no part, and lied to cover his rear.

 

[Gardenista]

Just because it was the last person she was "texting" with doesn't mean its the last person she communicated electronically with. Not having her actual device makes it neay impossible to know each and every way (Apps etc) that she was using for communication. There are literally dozens and dozens of different possibilities. How can L.E. possibly know which to access or get warrants for?

Search warrant to the App Store?

 

[PommyMommy]

Just because it was the last person she was "texting" with doesn't mean its the last person she communicated electronically with. Not having her actual device makes it neay impossible to know each and every way (Apps etc) that she was using for communication. There are literally dozens and dozens of different possibilities. How can L.E. possibly know which to access or get warrants for?

Yes, absolutely true and I'm sure this is one of the reasons LE has requested the public's assistance. Does ML have any SM accounts they don't know about, has anyone had contact with her, etc. They need tips. MOO

 

[Criminal Justice mom]

Search warrant to the App Store?

Hmmmm... I wonder if that's possible?? I've never seen a warrant issued for app store or iTunes. I will ask the prosecutor I work with.

 

[i'm someone]

IMO SBs also do not look at SDs as human beings but as a means to an end. The SD is someone to be used as a source of income (not necessarily cash, but it all boils down to goods rec'd). It is what it is. People's lifestyle choices do open them up to being a victim as well as reducing (NOT preventing) victimhood. This doesn't mean she isn't a victim, it just means you cannot sugarcoat facts/reality/stats. Also, IMO, if this meeting with a friend was on the "up & up" why didn't they meet somewhere for coffee that was open around the clock, or a gas station with lights, a parking lot with lights, or at her home, or her friend's home? Meeting someone in a park at 3 am opens you and your "friend" up to danger. This is a woman making poor choices and her friends need to stop protecting her reputation and start talking about the good, the bad, the ugly if they want to really help her.

I agree with you, and to further my point I will just point out that there is no way that two people who are meeting in this manner have any care for what happens to one another. The speculation earlier of her phone being shut off for the possible reason of "no phones, let's just focus on each other" is highly controlling, very manipulative, and assumes one or the other of the two would have no life requiring anything of their own. What I mean is, if someone really actually cares about another human being, they don't try to do, well, do any of the stuff that seems to have gone down. If she had contacted the police after they told her she could without fear of being hauled in if it was her choice, then I might say well, I guess that's working out, weird, but ok. But that is not what has happened. And your point about the S/B also looking at the S/D as a means to an end is also a risky thing, because in spite of the "agreement" people in the subculture seem to have, people just don't work that way. Eventually, treating someone like a "thing" or something to obtain or be obtained will wear down anyone and eventually someone's going to get hurt/angry/hurt.

 

[savedabeez20]

Why is it that LE is only sending out one update per day?

 

[PommyMommy]

Search warrant to the App Store?

This has my vote! Lol

 

[billy1994]

The driver should still be a suspect. Unless he has video in car he’s still a suspect.

 

[Gardenista]

Hmmmm... I wonder if that's possible?? I've never seen a warrant issued for app store or iTunes. I will ask the prosecutor I work with.

Here is the info

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf

 

[GordianKnot]

I'm not sure either. There's no evidence of it. Hope I didn't break a rule. But the time of the meeting is sort of odd.

Absolutely.

Time and circumstances around the meeting are both extremely odd, which makes it a legitimate possibility, in my mind.

The other thing that's notable to me is that she just doesn't look dressed or prepped as if heading off directly to meet up with someone for a "date" of any kind whatsoever in those airport stills.

ML looks to be in comfy late-night flight apparel.
Her general appearance here just really doesn't scream, "Hot date straight ahead" to me.
Like, at all.

I'm having a hard time reconciling the images we've seen with the idea of her going to meet a man for anything at all romantic.

Friends may have some insight into how she normally dressed/groomed herself for date nights, though.

The uber-casual look may not be unusual for her.

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

• University of Utah senior Mackenzie Lueck vanished on June 17 after she ordered a Lyft from the Salt Lake City airport
• Salt Lake City police say they are looking into the 23-year-old's dating life
• DailyMail.com can reveal that Lueck is a self-proclaimed sugar baby, using sites Seeking Arrangement and Tinder to find men over 35 years old
• 'Try tinder and be blunt about it. Mine says ''I want a SD/SB relationship with a real connection,''' Lueck wrote in a private Facebook group three months ago
• She operated an Instagram account with the alias @NovaBaby96 where she posted a photo of herself in a black robe with the hashtag #daddykink
• Lueck's friends say she was single but was casually dating several people and was interested in older men

Missing University of Utah student Mackenzie Lueck is a sugar baby who sought out men over 35 | Daily Mail Online

 

[gitana1]

Hmmm who happens to be awake around 2:30 AM to text?

Lots of people. I get insomnia. Something or someone wakes me up and I can't go back to sleep because I start worrying about cases. I was messaging recently with a friend who fell off the wagon and was freaking out. Around 2:45 a.m.

 

[Criminal Justice mom]

Yes, absolutely true and I'm sure this is one of the reasons LE has requested the public's assistance. Does ML have any SM accounts they don't know about, has anyone had contact with her, etc. They need tips. MOO

I asked my college age daughter how she'd most likely communicate with a person she was newly interested in and she said for her and her group of friends Snapchat is the most likely. I wonder how much info Tinder can release about conversations and previous "matches" she has had?

 

[stmarysmead]

She is an intelligent young woman and she was sober that night. Whatever situation led her to that meeting at the park, it was one she was completely comfortable with.

That’s what I keep thinking about.

She was not drunk or coerced or out of alternatives. She could have had the LYFT take her home. She was so close to home.So why did she choose this rendezvous?

I’m not sold on any “recreational” explanation. I don’t think many of us would want to exert the energy to be “upbeat”, “on” or “engaging” after that kind of trip and funeral and that early in the morning.

We know she was grieving her grandmother. She may have been emotionally exhausted. I’m wondering if she was offered a quieter alternative for the night...no roommates...no questions in the morning. Ma6be....Someone she trusted offered an alternative that was both attractive and comforting.

 

[shanadk]

I get where you're coming from, and you may be right. If she did bolt, and the emotional weekend kind of threw that fantasy into motion, it's her right as an adult.

But there's got to be a gray area somewhere, where she has to be aware and accountable for hours of LE and now FBI interference (not to mention parental heart attacks, but that's another story). If she walked away voluntarily, it takes a phone call to say "I'm okay." And even at this point, since over a week's gone by with no word from her, LE would probably insist on a private meeting with her to confirm her identity and safety.

INTERFERENCE. Exactly. The question is: Why interfere?
Why investigate, before there is evidence of wrongdoing?
"She has to be accountable". Whoa!!! Says who? A woman has certain liberties in this nation.
It sounds to me like Mackenzie has been extremely accountable..... for years. If not, she wouldn't have reached Senior status, or held down a job at Grifols.
Maybe ML is exhausted and burned out. Maybe she has found a partner, and they plan to be together....but again,
It's Her Life.