UT - Man accused of abusing 24-day-old son

[Missizzy]

With all due respect to my dear friend, kbl, that is exactly what I'm trying to figure out. If kbl will stop pounding the putty out of the perp I might be able to interview him and learn a little bit about what brings about these monstrous acts. But he can't speak as he's spitting blood all over my laptop.

We can't lock everybody up. We need to figure out where the "virus" is coming from so we can stop it and save some of these precious babies who did nothing more than pop out into this heartless world.

When you're done with Mr. Perp, kbl, let me know and I'll see if I can get him to discuss his brain chemistry.

 

[mysterygirl]

Violence against the totally defenseless and innocent babies seem to be churning out with even greater frequency..........

I wonder if this has to do with the economy/more stress..........I'd like to see some stats.

But something has got to give here.........we are all getting sick on a daily basis.

It makes me sick to my stomach. These poor babies.

 

[kbl8201]

i just think everytime we start worrying about stress factors we sorta mitigae what these people do to there kids.
i know that is not what you guys are saying at all, but that's what a defense lawyers will use in court, and thats what a judge will think when passing sentence. what do stress factors really mean? we all have stress in our everyday lives, and those of you who have children are no diffrent. does this mean 90 percent of you will break 22 bones of an infant's body? no way. it depends on your own makeup's reaction to stress, not the stress itself

 

[Missizzy]

kbl--That's why we've got to figure out why some people's reaction to stress is violence. We don't have the jail cells to lock up everyone coming down the pike. We've got to turn this rig around.

Is it prenatal substance exposure (other than alcohol, which has been around forever), over-use of psychotropic drugs in childhood or teen years, lack of afterschool sports programs, Myspace.....what?

I don't have the answer but I do know that we here on WSs are seeing a trend. Who's sounding the alarm?

 

[kbl8201]

ok mz iz, whats the plan

 

[Missizzy]

I don't know, kbl....and it makes me very very scared.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Could this mother and him actually be living in different houses with mom not haveing access to the Child? I just don't see why/how the hospital/police would release baby into moms care, UNLESS they are fairly confident that mom did not know or was not around baby when this was happening?

 

[mikeysmommom]

Could this mother and him actually be living in different houses with mom not haveing access to the Child? I just don't see why/how the hospital/police would release baby into moms care, UNLESS they are fairly confident that mom did not know or was not around baby when this was happening?

If the mom was around that baby at all she should have realized the pain the baby was in.IMO she should be in jail as well.:furious:

 

[Missizzy]

Ladybass--That's the only scenario I can come up with but it still seems strange. If a mom has not had much contact with her newborn, one would wonder why DHS would trust her to take custody of the child. A mother certainly has the right to give up total custody to the dad and to have limited or no contact with the child. If that's the case, though, why would she be allowed to step in now? If I were the DHS worker, I'd have lots of questions.

I've considered that she could be military but even then, she would have had leave. Possibly, she was hospitalized for the three weeks following the birth? But even then, one would think the baby would have stayed at the hospital for bonding and feeding with her. Even if she's never harmed the child nor even spent time with the child, she'd still have full legal rights to the child so DHS had no choice, as they'd have no charges against her. It's very curious.

 

[Missizzy]

I found some stats I think everyone might be interested in looking at. Over the years, I've found the Children's Bureau to be a goldmine of information about anything to do with our nation's kids. As always, there's a two year lag in the compilation and release of statistics.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/fatality.cfm

"The National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS) reported an estimated 1,760 child fatalities in 2007. This translates to a rate of 2.35 children per 100,000 children in the general population. NCANDS defines "child fatality" as the death of a child caused by an injury resulting from abuse or neglect, or where abuse or neglect was a contributing factor."

So, note that these are not accidental deaths or deaths due to illness or disease or stillbirth. This comes out to approximately five deaths per day (4.82). I have a strong feeling that these numbers have gone up just going on my memory of what I've been seeing on WS in the last few months. We probably actively follow that about 3-6 deaths per day. Imagine how many more that we don't hear about.

We also need to remember that the recession has hit since these figures were posted. I'm going to keep digging but wanted you all to know that this is a good resource.

 

[Missizzy]

Who are the perpetrators?

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/fatality.cfm#perps

"No matter how the fatal abuse occurs, one fact of great concern is that the perpetrators are, by definition, individuals responsible for the care and supervision of their victims. In 2007, one or both parents were responsible for 69.9 percent of child abuse or neglect fatalities. More than one-quarter (27.1 percent) of these fatalities were perpetrated by the mother acting alone. Child fatalities with unknown perpetrators accounted for 16.4 percent of the total.

There is no single profile of a perpetrator of fatal child abuse, although certain characteristics reappear in many studies. Frequently, the perpetrator is a young adult in his or her mid-20s, without a high school diploma, living at or below the poverty level, depressed, and who may have difficulty coping with stressful situations. In many instances, the perpetrator has experienced violence firsthand. Most fatalities from physical abuse are caused by fathers and other male caregivers. Mothers are most often held responsible for deaths resulting from child neglect."

 

[Missizzy]

Really, folks, if you are truly concerned about child abuse and neglect, educate yourself on the facts. Knowledge is power. Spend some time on this site. It's quite user friendly and informative.

Another great page of useful information:

http://www.childwelfare.gov/responding/faq.cfm

"Responding to child abuse and neglect"

What are the signs or symptoms of child abuse and neglect?

What can I do if I suspect child abuse or neglect? How do I report child abuse or neglect?

Can I make an anonymous report of abuse?

How many children are abused and neglected each year?

I believe child protective services has mishandled an investigation of abuse/neglect. What can I do?

 

[Missizzy]

A CBS article about the spike of child abuse rates in May 2009. This article addresses many issues we've been talking about; loss of employment, stress, change of parenting roles, the role of relief/crisis nurseries.

And remember when you read these stories and what the professionals (doctors, nurses, social workers) are telling us. They need more funds but the funds are being slashed due to the recession. We have to find a way to dig our way out and reach out to these families at risk.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/20/business/childofrecession/main5029133.shtml?


"So this poor kid was walking around with a broken arm?" Hughes asked while Terreros was looking at an x-ray of broken bones.

"Well he probably wouldn't have been walking," Terreros said. "Go and look at the next slide. This is the other arm. Look at this new bone here."

"Two broken arms?" Hughes asked.

"Two broken arms," Terreros said. "This is his left leg and you can see here he has an old fracture and also on his right leg he did."


Also, a reporter's "notebook" with photos and video:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009...main5028707.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody



So, I guess this is not our imagination. Our nation's children are being abused and killed in greater numbers. There it is. What are we going to do?

 

[drip~drop]

Call on Gods Mercy for the children.

at this point, what's left.
People do what they "feel" like doing and don't seem to give a rats patoottie.

 

[sindydee]

What kind of friggin look is this :furious: He looks very pleased with himself...Give me 5 mins with him and that smirk would be gone :furious:

They ought to tattoo his crime on his forehead and toss him in with the general population and that would save you a job.

 

[Rayemonde]

I found this interesting, after the discussion posters were having above about why child abuse might beyond the rise.
April 2011:

The Logan City Police Department has seen an unusual occurrence of abnormally heinous child abuse crimes in recent months, Jeff Curtis, Assistant Chief of police said...

Curtis said he suspects the weakened economy may have something to do with the increase in violent crimes against small children. He said the additional stress people may be feeling financially wears on their patience and they don’t react well when they can’t figure out why children are crying.

“Unfortunately some of these people just get to be at their wit’s end and the sound of a crying baby makes them snap,” Curtis said. “It’s very sad. It’s just the sort of thing that shocks the conscience.”

Both Ray and Monsen were taken into custody and booked on suspicion of second-degree felony child abuse.

http://hardnewscafe.usu.edu/?p=2137

 

[Rayemonde]

I couldn't find any updates about a Jonathan J. monsen abusing a child in Logan. But I think the press must have got his name wrong, because I found a John J. Monsen who was found guilty of Intentional Serious Physical Injury on a Child and Abuse or Neglect of a Disabled Child in Logan on 02/18/2010.

That's gotta be him, surely... There was no mention of the baby being disabled in the press but I bet if he abused the baby again after he already had broken ribs or whatever, the state could count that as abuse of a Disabled Child. I've read about that happening in other cases.

I haven't managed to find out his sentence yet, though.

http://www.utahsright.com/chargesprofile.php?id=4561468