GUILTY UT - Michele MacNeill, 50, found dead in bathtub, Pleasant Grove, 11 April 2007 - #3

[Ina Cognito]

How did Damian M suicide? I am wondering if family will want him exhumed and examined ny ME to see if he was murdered if MM is found guilty???

Damian overdosed on prescription medication (I have seen comments that he also placed a bag over his head for good measure ) Damian was in NY at the time at NYU, I do not think Martin had anything at all to do with this event. Damian posted a few very depressing posts to his Facebook account the day of or night before his suicide. His official date of death is the day after Michele's birthday

 

[Ina Cognito]

Smooth, you're correct, it was VERY disturbing to say the least I know doctors etc can have a dark humor thing due to their job but that was disgusting for Alexis to have to hear. I want to add the thought of did Martin personally know the ME?

 

[GaveltoGavel]

I believe it was Rachel who testified that her father was hauling up sheet rock without any help, charging up and down stairs. This was to fix up the basement, after Michele was dead and just before the nanny showed up. This testimony was important because it showed that MacNeill and his terminal toe were perfectly able to haul up sheet rock but unable to get his wife out of a bath tub.

I think he was working on the renovation before Michele died. He was getting the basement ready for Gypsy poo to move into. Remember the witness that stated that when she went to Martin's house the day after Michele died that he started showing her all his new renovations which she thought was odd since she was there to pay her respects. I believe he planned this whole thing weeks before the murder took place.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

True, but the interview was over a year later and her memory could have been tainted. There is no doubt in my mind, Martin premeditated the murder of Michelle but with all the rulings......can a jury be convinced?? I don't think so.

I don't think so. I think that she remembers exactly what she saw.

 

[Bravo]

Even if we take little Ada's testimony out of the equation for a moment. How do we account for the varying state of undress from the other witnesses. Ada stated it was a dark top and pant. Michele did indeed have that clothing on. I would love to do a timeline from each witness as to what Michele was wearing upon their arrival. When time permits that is.

 

[Bravo]

Sorry to just jump in randomly but I had to make mention of the really odd, inappropriate comment/conversing that the original M.E., Dr. Friekke, made in a telephone call between Martin and herself in the days immediately following Michelle's death..

I mean odd and inappropriate do not even appropriately describe the strange exchange between these two that Alexis testified to today in court.. IMO it really just gave me a bit of a shivering chill and really has made me question the mentality of this Medical Examiner, Friekke..

The specific portion of the exchange between the two that I am speaking of was admidst the discussion of Martin describing how he had found Michelle slumped over into the tub, along with telling the M.E. what medications Michelle had been taking at the time of her death..Martin MacNeil then asked Dr. Friekke the following:
"Did you find anything abnormal in performing the autopsy on Michelle?"

Dr. Friekke replied:
"Yes, I found that she(Michelle) didn't have a uterus."

To which BOTH HER AND MARTIN then had a good laugh about!??!... Oh hahhahaha!.. So very funny isn't it? My answer is HELL NO, I FIND NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY AMUSING, COMICAL, OR FUNNY about the fact his newly deceased wife didn't have a uterus due to having had a hysterectomy years prior!.. I mean what the hell is so funny or even noteworthy of mentioning about it??..It in fact made my heart start racing, my BP climb, and sent a shiver down my spine of just what the hell kind of Dr was this M.E., Dr. Friekke??

We already know what an {unusual person in EVERY way} that Martin MacNeil is and there for I am not in the least surprised that he would make, or find such an inappropriate comment to have been quite amusing to the point of chuckling out loud..but to know that this M.E. is actually the one to have made the comment, and that she too had herself a good, outloud chuckle alongside Martin over the fact of her making mention of his newly dead wife not having a uterus..well, it was just beyond bizarre even for a case that has turn after turn after turn that are of a bizarre nature, but this M.E. and her exchange with Martin just really, really threw me for a big ol' loop and has left me really wondering exactly what kind of person this M.E., Dr. Friekke was???...

IMO really its of no surprise that this doctor officially found Michelle's death nothing but just "natural causes".. This woman, Dr. Friekke, IMO is questionable TO SAY THE VERY LEAST...and yes, I am fully aware that this woman is deceased now, herself, and I do not make a habit of speaking ill of the dead, but this was just TOO MUCH to not make mention of it and ask was I the only one who had such a visceral reaction to hearing Alexis testify about this exchange between her father and Dr. Friekke that took place just mere days after her mom's death???

Anyhoo, I'll cut myself off here with ranting/raving about this particular issue, but just wanted to see if others were as baffled and offended by this as I was..

Again my apologies for just butting in here with my opinion and questioning about the original M.E., Dr. Friekke..specifically the exchange between her and Martin about his NEWLY deceased wife's autopsy.

Good to see ya here :seeya: Thanks for posting this. I missed much today and your post prompts me to watch what I missed. I agree that is totally inappropriate:banghead:

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I think the jury is going to vote Guilty. Why? Because if I were on the jury I would vote guilty!

And here's why:
1.) The Ambien being found in her blood.

2.) The clothing she was found in. She had spoken with daughter Alexis earlier that morning and indicated she was feeling pretty good and discussed her plans for later in the day. Plus she was fully dressed with bra, church undergarments and jogging suit. If not feeling well and planning to stay home and take it easy, why get fully dressed?

3.) The 911 call. MacNeill was NOT performing CPR. If he had been, the water that she regurgitated LATER when police performed CPR would have come out then. And would not have been there when the police did CPR. Especially in enough quantity that one of the police officers had to change his uniform afterwards.

4.) Differing stories told to different people regarding the position in which MacNeill found his wife's body.

All the rest of it - the affair, his lack of grief, his lies about his health - are kind of the icing on the cake. And each of them is another nail in the coffin. But the above are the irrefutable facts upon which I could convict.


Also the testimony that there was froth coming from her nose and mouth, that no one saw MacNeill wipe it off, yet he did not have any on his face after supposedly giving rescue breaths. And no one saw her chest rise.

 

[GaveltoGavel]

Well after reading all your comments about how boring this afternoon was I'm thinking maybe it is the reason I feel asleep. Last thing I remember the <modsnip> was working hard on trying to trip Alexis up in her testimony.

 

[SmoothOperator]

While I am not sympathetic to the defendant, Alexis at times put her hands to her throat which is a sign that she may be being less than truthful. She's incredibly strong, but at the same time, I'm not at all convinced that she didn't do a bit of concocting. I'm certain this is not going to be a popular opinion, but the "star" witness can not afford to be viewed as less than impeccable in such a circumstantial case.

I definitely believe that Alexis testimony is the absolute very least of the worries that the Prosecution has.. No human being is going to be "nothing less than impeccable", period, but especially so when having to relive the horrors of what her father has inflicted, specifically speaking of what would be the most horrific of those horrors, the murder of her mother at the hands of her father.. Impeccable, IMO is just not a realistic expectation, nor is it necessary for a witness to be impeccable in order for a jury to find a defendant guilty..jmo..

But as I said, IMO Alexis is at the very bottom of the list of issues that are problematic for this Prosecution.. IMO the main, important key factors are ALL lacking from the Prosecuting attorneys, themselves rather than any of their witnesses, ESPECIALLY the daughters..

ITA with AlwaysShocked's post upthread listing of key points as to why he will most likely be found guilty.. The Prosecution, IMO just have not been as good as I personally believe they could have been in delivering the important evidence that proves his guilt.. Nonetheless I do believe there is sufficient evidence proving his guilt and I pray that this jury is seeing and understanding that the evidence proves his guilt, thus their finding him guilty of Michelle's murder..

**Please forgive the limitations that come w/my posting via mobile ATM**

 

[Plumeria5]

This must be the assistant ME that was talking to Martin about "no uterus".

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?n=maureen-jane-frikke&pid=106713704

 

[Only4Justice]

I'm very behind. Watching Alexis' testimony. God Bless Her. Michele can be proud. . What a beautiful lady Alexis is.


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[Ina Cognito]

This must be the assistant ME that was talking to Martin about "no uterus".

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?n=maureen-jane-frikke&pid=106713704

That has to be the most complete and expansive obit I've ever read.

 

[Plumeria5]

That has to be the most complete and expansive obit I've ever read.

Must have cost a fortune, too.

 

[Sulamith]

While I am not sympathetic to the defendant, Alexis at times put her hands to her throat which is a sign that she may be being less than truthful. She's incredibly strong, but at the same time, I'm not at all convinced that she didn't do a bit of concocting. I'm certain this is not going to be a popular opinion, but the "star" witness can not afford to be viewed as less than impeccable in such a circumstantial case.

BBM Why is that a sign of anything? Did a body sign expert say that? Not attacking you but IMO, I do not think many people have heard of body signs or if they have, they don't believe it. I was watching Alexis' testimony and I never saw/noticed her putting her hands to her throat. I suppose those who know about body signs would notice it, but IMO most of the general population would not take notice. :moo:

 

[minor4th]

Even if we take little Ada's testimony out of the equation for a moment. How do we account for the varying state of undress from the other witnesses. Ada stated it was a dark top and pant. Michele did indeed have that clothing on. I would love to do a timeline from each witness as to what Michele was wearing upon their arrival. When time permits that is.

I think some of the witnesses are remembering incorrectly. The EMT's cut off her bra, garment and long sleeved shirt, so she must have still been wearing that when the EMT's got there, and they were the last to arrive.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

From a macro ("big picture") pespective, no one else had a desire or motive to see Michelle dead except for her hubby who was on to "bigger and better" things.

It's as obvious as the potato on his toe. Or the nose on his face.

 

[TorisMom003]

I think some of the witnesses are remembering incorrectly. The EMT's cut off her bra, garment and long sleeved shirt, so she must have still been wearing that when the EMT's got there, and they were the last to arrive.

I thought the witnesses said that Michele was wearing clothing on top and bottom. Only Martin said that Michele was not wearing any bottoms. Or is that incorrect?

 

[minor4th]

From a macro ("big picture") pespective, no one else had a desire or motive to see Michelle dead except for her hubby who was on to "bigger and better" things.

It's as obvious as the potato on his toe. Or the nose on his face.

Unless it wasn't murder and really was natural causes.

The biggest indicator of guilt to me is that she had Valium and especially ambien in her system at the TOD. Alexis had never given her either of those medications up through the day before, and there would be no reaso for Mihele to take an ambien in the morning.

I think he gave her those meds somehow and then drowned her. I'm not 100% convinced yet though.

 

[minor4th]

I thought the witnesses said that Michele was wearing clothing on top and bottom. Only Martin said that Michele was not wearing any bottoms. Or is that incorrect?

Everyone except Ada said she had no bottoms on. Ada was the only one who saw her in the tub fully clothed.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Unless it wasn't murder and really was natural causes.

The biggest indicator of guilt to me is that she had Valium and especially ambien in her system at the TOD. Alexis had never given her either of those medications up through the day before, and there would be no reaso for Mihele to take an ambien in the morning.

I think he gave her those meds somehow and then drowned her. I'm not 100% convinced yet though.

Highly unlikely that her death would be a result of natural causes---> plastic surgeons routinely check to ensure that one is stable (health-wise) enough for surgery through a bout of routinized checks so that they thwart the lawsuits brought about by performing surgery on unhealthy patients.

No way that it was natural causes that caused her demise. No way!