GUILTY UT - Michele MacNeill, 50, found dead in bathtub, Pleasant Grove, 11 April 2007 - #3

[Bravo]

When that comment was made I thought of a rotting potato. :floorlaugh:

LOL I cant talk about it anymore. Coldpizza gave us a gentle warning when I called it Tater T.. :scared:

 

[KALI]

Eraser Killers by Marilee Strong.
I got it during the Levi Chase trial. Excellent. The case studies will blow you away.
MacNeill is a text book Eraser killer IMO.

Someone mentioned a good book by Scott Peck (about sociopaths which I believe explores the church connection & explains other similarities to MacNeil's behavior). I can't recall the title. If someone knows, I'd appreciate it if it could be posted here. Thank you.

 

[Bravo]

I will not be able to watch today because I will be in trial. Look forward to reading all the comments at the end of the day

We look forward to yours as well :seeya:

 

[Dmacky]

Today is my first visit here in 4 months. I feel like I should have the shakes or something after giving it up for so long. :crazy:

I missed the first few days of this trial, but I did go all the way through thread #3 just now and saw most of the past two days. A few questions/comments in no particular order:

• This trial is really interesting. The styles are opposite what we've seen in Arias and Anthony trials among others. It will be interesting to see how that works out. It makes it a little boring for TV since there are no flamboyant lawyers involved.
• Is someone from Intellus or whatever the company Alexis mentioned going to back up her claim that Michele tracked down Gypsy? The jury should forgive some inconsistencies if they know she got big things like that correct.
• Sabrina did a fine job - you can see Alexis's influence on her in terms of sticking to your guns. Hard to believe she was so composed at such a young age.
• I suspect that some of the tainting that the defense will allege is in part due to the kids realizing more and more how evil their dad was, and so some things that might not have clicked originally they came to realize were important. Most of the kids naturally wouldn't have suspected dad at first, but they all now believe he did it.
• There was a jury question for Gypsy about whether she was introduced to (I think) Rachel at the temple or at home, and she said it was MM's idea to do it at the temple because it would be more peaceful - something like that. In addition to sounding weird on the surface, is there some significance from a Mormon viewpoint about that being at the temple?
• Several people have commented that the prosecution hasn't objected enough. Both sides have been quieter than I expected. For example, the defense let the prosecution completely lead Anna through the testimony about MM saying he could induce a heart attack undetected.
• There are so many things that look suspicious for this monster - it will be critical for the prosecution to tie all that out - with some visual aids - in closing.
• A conviction may be tough since the medical evidence doesn't seem to help. Proving he had a motive to kill Michele won't be a problem however. I hope the jury convicts because a) I believe he did it and b) the jurors will want to kill themselves if they acquit and then learn all the monstrous facts that were not allowed in.
  

Good to see you again BSK :seeya:
I too was lured back after seeing this on 20/20. The ME does bother me too, but remember that MM had everyone snowed, and was highly esteemed in the community.
He was a Doctor, a Lawyer, and an Indian Chief :giggle:
No one ever suspected anything, and this guy would have gotten away if not for his children and Michele's family. I am wondering if anyone knows why MM INSISTED on an autopsy the day of her death?? Is it because all the meds could not be detected that soon? Do they take a few days to metabilise? Was MM friends with the ME? So many questions.

 

[GaveltoGavel]

What kind of monster is this????????? He was in such a hurry to get on with "HIS" life with Gypsy that he didn't even give the girls a chance to grieve the loss of their mother as a family. Couldn't wait to start shipping them off. Totally has destroyed their lives.....how cruel.

Question: I thought it was against the law for a doctor to treat family members??? Alexis stated that MM was pretty much their PCP.

 

[minor4th]

What kind of monster is this????????? He was in such a hurry to get on with "HIS" life with Gypsy that he didn't even give the girls a chance to grieve the loss of their mother as a family. Couldn't wait to start shipping them off. Totally has destroyed their lives.....how cruel.

Question: I thought it was against the law for a doctor to treat family members??? Alexis stated that MM was pretty much their PCP.

It's not against the law, but prescribing controlled substances to a family member can lead to disciplinary action by the state's medical board.

 

[Italy]

Off topic, but during the broadcast of an HLN show last night (late) - which had a group of people acting as a mock jury - one of the women, who seemingly is a criminal defense attorney, denigrated Alexis and claimed the witnesses (and their testimony) were not truthful as a result of coming into Alexis "web". This "web" is presumably a web of lies.

What a noxious comment. Alexis is a lovely young, educated woman who, by all accounts, was attentive to her mother & father during her mom's life, has assumed the care and responsibilities of her young siblings (at great cost to herself as we know MM has not contributed one dime to their support) and, with the personal burden of reflection and examination of the facts, came to the conclusion that her father is culpable of the crime of murder. After reflection and examination the DA reached the same conclusion and the trial is of course proceeding.

For this woman to suggest that those around Alexis are somehow less than reliable because they have come into this diabolical "web" is simply offensive. To impugn Rachel and those who are her family and friends in this manner on national television is inexcusable - particularly by a woman brought on the panel to express a legal perspective.

I suggest that HLN remove this woman from further discussions.

 

[GaveltoGavel]

I just can't believe that Michelle took all those drugs before she died. I think maybe MM gave her a "pillow talk" cocktail and then put the drugs down her throat while she was passéd out. I'm sure this is why he was so happy during the call to the ME....no detection of the cocktail. Just a thought.

 

[Bravo]

What kind of monster is this????????? He was in such a hurry to get on with "HIS" life with Gypsy that he didn't even give the girls a chance to grieve the loss of their mother as a family. Couldn't wait to start shipping them off. Totally has destroyed their lives.....how cruel.

Question: I thought it was against the law for a doctor to treat family members??? Alexis stated that MM was pretty much their PCP.

I don't think it's against the Law. At least not here in Canada. It is just frowned upon. More so with Surgeons. A Surgeon would just never operate on a Family member. Here.

 

[Bravo]

Off topic, but during the broadcast of an HLN show last night (late) - which had a group of people acting as a mock jury - one of the women, who seemingly is a criminal defense attorney, denigrated Alexis and claimed the witnesses (and their testimony) were not truthful as a result of coming into Alexis "web". This "web" is presumably a web of lies.

What a noxious comment. Alexis is a lovely young, educated woman who, by all accounts, was attentive to her mother & father during her mom's life, has assumed the care and responsibilities of her young siblings (at great cost to herself as we know MM has not contributed one dime to their support) and, with the personal burden of reflection and examination of the facts, came to the conclusion that her father is culpable of the crime of murder. After reflection and examination the DA reached the same conclusion and the trial is of course proceeding.

For this woman to suggest that those around Alexis are somehow less than reliable because they have come into this diabolical "web" is simply offensive. To impugn Rachel and those who are her family and friends in this manner on national television is inexcusable - particularly by a woman brought on the panel to express a legal perspective.

I suggest that HLN remove this woman from further discussions.

I was watching as well. I had to flip the channel as it was so very upsetting.

 

[Bravo]

bsk
I just checked the Witness list and it does appear somebody from a phone company will be testifying. Will have to see if it answers your question. Item # 41 on the list.

http://thetrialdivas.com/2013/10/22/leaked-witness-list-for-state-in-martin-macneill-trial/

 

[Bravo]

Reminder Judge said 9 a.m. so it will be 11:00 for those of us in ET

 

[Isabelle]

So glad your back. Good sign ya weren't jonesing :floorlaugh: I'll try to answer best I can recall. Your comments are excellent by the way and I agree. It was actually Alexis who retrieved the info off her Dad's phone to track down Gypsy. Passed the info on to her Mom. I don't know if anyone from phone company is on the witness list. I do remember hearing/reading that Martin wanted the girls to go to Temple with him to pray for a Nanny. Voila Gypsy appears.

Unsure, but, did Alexis say she accessed Intellus via phone or computer? Intellus could be accessed via smart phone (not sure about back in 2006 or 2007). If she did access the information on computer, those records would still be available and the charges were most likely paid via credit card, so those records would also be available.

 

[Cherry]

I don't think it's against the Law. At least not here in Canada. It is just frowned upon. More so with Surgeons. A Surgeon would just never operate on a Family member. Here.

It is against the law to write a script without seeing the patient, it was a courtesy script basically and he could have faced charges, depending on the state's individual laws. Esp narcotic scripts, Dr or Not; he wasn't HER Dr. He was a friend. So it's an abuse of privledge which is why he was squirmming on the stand imo.

 

[Isabelle]

bsk
I just checked the Witness list and it does appear somebody from a phone company will be testifying. Will have to see if it answers your question. Item # 41 on the list.

http://thetrialdivas.com/2013/10/22/leaked-witness-list-for-state-in-martin-macneill-trial/

LOL, 10 inmates? Does he have no friends?

 

[Isabelle]

Off topic, but during the broadcast of an HLN show last night (late) - which had a group of people acting as a mock jury - one of the women, who seemingly is a criminal defense attorney, denigrated Alexis and claimed the witnesses (and their testimony) were not truthful as a result of coming into Alexis "web". This "web" is presumably a web of lies.

What a noxious comment. Alexis is a lovely young, educated woman who, by all accounts, was attentive to her mother & father during her mom's life, has assumed the care and responsibilities of her young siblings (at great cost to herself as we know MM has not contributed one dime to their support) and, with the personal burden of reflection and examination of the facts, came to the conclusion that her father is culpable of the crime of murder. After reflection and examination the DA reached the same conclusion and the trial is of course proceeding.

For this woman to suggest that those around Alexis are somehow less than reliable because they have come into this diabolical "web" is simply offensive. To impugn Rachel and those who are her family and friends in this manner on national television is inexcusable - particularly by a woman brought on the panel to express a legal perspective.

I suggest that HLN remove this woman from further discussions.

Would wonder if that person served to possibly increase ratings?

 

[Cherry]

In regards to what I'm reading that HLN aired last night I just have to say this:

I cannot imagine the irreprebale harm that MM has done to these women. His children. For him to take things this far, and sit there; and cause them even MORE pain and duress is something I've found difficult to watch. I'm still following the trial and would have liked more phone text records etc entered into evidence. I cannot wait to hear from Dr Perper. Hopefully he can help clear things up for any juror who has any doubt at all, even an unreasonable one....There is NO PASSION from the state at all in this case. IMO; it's the worst laywering I've ever seen; and I have issues with the Ultra Conservation court and judge in this case. So I'll stay quiet lol. Or I will try to; when I'm not crying.

This is one of those trials, that has affected my sleep; my mood, and my world. The very lens coming into focus when his Daughter from Ukraine took the stand and said: It was her dream; to have this family; this mother this life. Ballet, school, in America and what does MM do? He just couldn't keep it zipped up; He did not love his wife; in fact he hated her; shoving those pills down her throat. That has been testified to now; and as we watch this come to an end *i hope soon* the evidence and testimony only continues to pile on; the heap of **** that is Martin McNeil. He is a monster. He is a Poser, and to me he is a murderer. I think that the state has proven their case, and this is one of those that the jury will have to get to "no one else wanted her dead" and as soon as they get to that.....It will be the beg of the end for MM. I wish him nothing but pain pain pain.

He has ruined so many lives.

 

[atthelake]

Reminder Judge said 9 a.m. so it will be 11:00 for those of us in ET

That was for the jury I thought , but another item at 8:30 with lawyers ?

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[Isabelle]

Curious if you've been following the case very much? The original ME ruled her death due to natural causes/myocarditis that can result in sudden death. A subsequent ME ruled the death due to myocarditis plus drug toxicity.

Leads me to wonder if the original ME missed the toxicity screen. That would not be very good at all. Wonder if MM knew her/paid her off.

 

[Bravo]

Unsure, but, did Alexis say she accessed Intellus via phone or computer? Intellus could be accessed via smart phone (not sure about back in 2006 or 2007). If she did access the information on computer, those records would still be available and the charges were most likely paid via credit card, so those records would also be available.

IIRC Alexis didn't have the password so changed it. Not sure if the new password was sent to the computer or to the phone.