GUILTY UT - Michele MacNeill, 50, found dead in bathtub, Pleasant Grove, 11 April 2007 - #7

[minor4th]

I'm listening to Spencer's closing cuz I missed most of it. He just does not communicate very clearly - it is always confusing.

 

[RhondaAnn]

Ok just got done watching the guy who sold fake rolexes.

McNeill is guilty. I have felt he was even before the trial,I watched the 20/20 about this case. For his own daughters to feel that he is guilty tells me a Lot. They know their father better than anyone. Hopefully the jurors will feel the same way.

I really hate that I have not been able to keep up with this trial. :tantrum:

Thanks for all the welcomes!!!! Nice to find more trial addicts. :loveyou:

 

[2door73chevy]

So true! A few weekends ago, the whole family drove down to St. George, UT for the weekend (about 4 hours). On the way down, I talked through all the scummy things Martin had done. Despite the fact that WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST NARCISSISTIC PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVER WALKED THE PLANET, about an hour into it, they were clearly getting bored. But by then, I was on a roll, and there was no stopping me. Eventually, I look back and my little girl has stealthily slipped on headphones, my son is asleep, and my wife is in the passenger seat, sneaking glances at a Reader's Digest.

I thought they all seemed a little thankless! I could have been obsessing over the Denver Broncos (one of my other big vices).

Big Broncos fan here too.

 

[YESorNO]

CC @courtchatter
Jury still deliberating. I just spoke to Randy Spencer in the hall, he's feeling "exhausted". #MartinMacNeill
2h
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Grunander in the hall: it's in the jury's hands. #MartinMacNeill is guilty of 1st degree murder and they should find that.

2h
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Gustin said if she knew a year ago what this case was going entail she may not have done it. #MartinMacNeill Martin

2h
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Susanne Gustin to reporters in the hall: we're feeling confident, but can't predict a jury. #MartinMacNeill

3h
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Randy Spencer is hugging his wife with tears in his eyes. #MartinMacNeill

 

[Dmacky]

I'm listening to Spencer's closing cuz I missed most of it. He just does not communicate very clearly - it is always confusing.

ddsmiley:

 

[Softail]

ddsmiley:

By George, I think you've got it!

:giggle:

 

[passionflower]

any news channels predicting how long jury will be deliberating on this case?

 

[YESorNO]

In speaking with prosecutor Chad Grunander after court today, he informed me that the state is not going to ask for lesser included charges. They believe Martin MacNeill planned this murder.

However, as well as arguing that he premeditated Michele's murder the judge will allow the argument that MacNeill acted with depraved indifference.

To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

The jurors do not need to be unanimous on one or the other. For example of the 8 jurors, 6 could decide premeditated while 2 are more comfortable with depraved indifference and he would still be guilty of 1 degree murder.

http://www.courtchatter.com/

 

[scorekeeper]

Ben Winslow ‏@BenWinslow 7m
"We're just very grateful that my mom had a voice," Alexis Somers said as she left court. @fox13now #MartinMacNeill #MacNeillTrial

 

[YESorNO]

Just want to thank everyone for all their posts- loved them. Now just :waiting:

:tyou: :clap: :loveyou:

 

[bsk]

Hi,first post here. I have not go to watch all of this trial. I am catching up now. What is the consensus here? Guilty or not? I'm going to watch archives of days I have missed so I can decide. I feel in my gut he is guilty,but don't know if pros proved it or not. I am watching the inmates testimony now.

I hate when I get behind in live trials like this. My luck a verdict will come in when I am catching up!!!!!

Anyway,great to be here. I am a trial fanatic. :greetings:

:welcome5:

Your feelings are pretty common around here. He did it, but can they prove it.

This is a good place to hang out, through in come cases like the Jodi Arias trial it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep up with the fast flow of comments. The mods do a great job keeping us under control so we can have intelligent discussions.

 

[DomCasual]

Ok just got done watching the guy who sold fake rolexes.

McNeill is guilty. I have felt he was even before the trial,I watched the 20/20 about this case. For his own daughters to feel that he is guilty tells me a Lot. They know their father better than anyone. Hopefully the jurors will feel the same way.

I really hate that I have not been able to keep up with this trial. :tantrum:

Thanks for all the welcomes!!!! Nice to find more trial addicts. :loveyou:

I think you mean Rolex paraphernalia, right? According to Spencer, he was dealing in Rolex paraphernalia.

Rolex paraphernalia is WAY worse than just fake Rolexes. :facepalm:

 

[Leilei]

Ok just got done watching the guy who sold fake rolexes.

McNeill is guilty. I have felt he was even before the trial,I watched the 20/20 about this case. For his own daughters to feel that he is guilty tells me a Lot. They know their father better than anyone. Hopefully the jurors will feel the same way.

I really hate that I have not been able to keep up with this trial. :tantrum:

Thanks for all the welcomes!!!! Nice to find more trial addicts. :loveyou:

Sorry I'm late with this, but WELCOME :greetings:

 

[YESorNO]

CC @courtchatter
Susanne Gustin just walked passed me whispering to a deputy, "I don't it will be guilty, but it could be hung" #MartinMacNeill

34m
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There has been no decision on how long they will deliberate tonight. The judge is probably going to let them decide. #MartinMacNeill

 

[Cherry]

Hopeful for a verdict tonight. I really am.

 

[Leilei]

ddsmiley:

:floorlaugh::scared:

High five!

 

[MsJosie]

Were any charges filed or will they be filed against MM for false info in his medical and lawyer degree, for military ID card and any benefits he got, for any SS benefits he got or anything else he falsified?

 

[geevee]

Ben Winslow ‏@BenWinslow 13s Another update on deliberations in the #MartinMacNeill trial on @fox13now @ 5:30! #MacNeilltrial

 

[turaj]

In speaking with prosecutor Chad Grunander after court today, he informed me that the state is not going to ask for lesser included charges. They believe Martin MacNeill planned this murder.

However, as well as arguing that he premeditated Michele's murder the judge will allow the argument that MacNeill acted with depraved indifference.

To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

The jurors do not need to be unanimous on one or the other. For example of the 8 jurors, 6 could decide premeditated while 2 are more comfortable with depraved indifference and he would still be guilty of 1 degree murder.

http://www.courtchatter.com/

thank you for all the great information. I like these options...as I mentioned earlier I think Martin MacNeill is the poster boy for "depraved indifference" and one would have to be sitting in a different courtroom not to have seen that with every witness every day.

 

[bsk]

No, but stupid move on any attorneys part to bring NG up after juror questioning. The reason potential jurors can be asked is b/c the entire 30 seconds of shows (after commercials) is all prosecution directed. Hang 'em high and dry before there is even a case. Really should never be asked in any trial, it is a moot point. Any intelligent attorney, prosecution or state, must approach jurors with personal questions during Voir Dire that will reflect the jurors feelings on issues, not what t.v. told them.

{Just gives NG's shows boosts, which IMO the shows should not exist. They are harmful to any case broadcasted, from a legal point of view.}

:noooo:Unleash the websleuthers! :slap: