Found Deceased UT - Paul Swenson, 30, American Fork, 27 July 2017

[crhedBngr]

When will cause of death be in? Will it be shared in the news? Do we know if it was suicide or...?

Not sure . . . I just googled for any info. on COD, and couldn't find it. I suspect it will might take some time.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

JMO, but I doubt the COD will be shared at all. They have said they don't suspect foul play. If it's not a homicide it is either suicide or natural causes or accidental death. None of those would necessarily impact public safety and the police often keep COD confidential when it's not a homicide. JMO. :moo:

I'm sure the media will pursue the full autopsy report just because of all the attention this case got.

 

[Capebluff]

I'm sure the media will pursue the full autopsy report just because of all the attention this case got.

That was my thought also.

 

[MsFacetious]

Cause of death: Drowning. Alcohol and THC in his system.
Ashlee says he smoked weed daily but they aren't sure the alcohol was ingested.

Told friends he would die that afternoon.
He had been acting wrong since December.
Ashlee had never seen him like he was when he left that day, on his way to a therapist.

Traded the BMW for a bicycle. (Those sightings were accurate.)
Died a WEEK after he vanished.

There is much more on the video at the link.

http://fox13now.com/2017/11/02/poli...-his-disappearance-traded-his-bmw-for-a-bike/

I am struggling with this one, I feel like it could have been prevented at several points.
I feel like withholding information to preserve image.... sealed his fate.
If we had known of his very serious (albeit not yet diagnosed) mental health issues...
If we'd been told about his history of drug use/experimentation...
We may have known WHERE to look and had a better chance of finding him that week.

Ashlee is understandably not willing to accept he was alive for a week after vanishing.
I think I'd be in denial about that as well... wanting to believe it was over fast.
I'd already feel guilty enough for not going with him that day. Unbelievably sad.

 

[Capebluff]

Cause of death: Drowning. Alcohol and THC in his system.
Ashlee says he smoked weed daily but they aren't sure the alcohol was ingested.

Told friends he would die that afternoon.
He had been acting wrong since December.
Ashlee had never seen him like he was when he left that day, on his way to a therapist.

Traded the BMW for a bicycle. (Those sightings were accurate.)
Died a WEEK after he vanished.

There is much more on the video at the link.

http://fox13now.com/2017/11/02/poli...-his-disappearance-traded-his-bmw-for-a-bike/

I am struggling with this one, I feel like it could have been prevented at several points.
I feel like withholding information to preserve image.... sealed his fate.
If we had known of his very serious (albeit not yet diagnosed) mental health issues...
If we'd been told about his history of drug use/experimentation...
We may have known WHERE to look and had a better chance of finding him that week.

Ashlee is understandably not willing to accept he was alive for a week after vanishing.
I think I'd be in denial about that as well... wanting to believe it was over fast.
I'd already feel guilty enough for not going with him that day. Unbelievably sad.

I wish his friends & those he told he would die on 7/27 would have taken his words more seriously. Hindsight is 20/20 though & I can only imagine the guilt they may be feeling. Prayers to all affected by this situation.

MsFacetious - Thank you for posting the article!!

 

[MsFacetious]

I wish his friends & those he told he would die on 7/27 would have taken his words more seriously. Hindsight is 20/20 though & I can only imagine the guilt they may be feeling. Prayers to all affected by this situation.

MsFacetious - Thank you for posting the article!!

My thought is perhaps he had said similar things in the past so they didn't take him seriously?
I don't know... just heartbreaking to think there was a week to find him alive.

 

[Force Ten]

Cause of death: Drowning. Alcohol and THC in his system.
Ashlee says he smoked weed daily but they aren't sure the alcohol was ingested.

Told friends he would die that afternoon.
He had been acting wrong since December.
Ashlee had never seen him like he was when he left that day, on his way to a therapist.

Traded the BMW for a bicycle. (Those sightings were accurate.)
Died a WEEK after he vanished.

There is much more on the video at the link.

http://fox13now.com/2017/11/02/poli...-his-disappearance-traded-his-bmw-for-a-bike/

I am struggling with this one, I feel like it could have been prevented at several points.
I feel like withholding information to preserve image.... sealed his fate.
If we had known of his very serious (albeit not yet diagnosed) mental health issues...
If we'd been told about his history of drug use/experimentation...
We may have known WHERE to look and had a better chance of finding him that week.

Ashlee is understandably not willing to accept he was alive for a week after vanishing.
I think I'd be in denial about that as well... wanting to believe it was over fast.
I'd already feel guilty enough for not going with him that day. Unbelievably sad.

Sorry, I disagree. There is nothing more "We" could have done if this information was known. It was already very apparent something was going very wrong with Paul.


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[DakotaMayi]

Sorry, I disagree. There is nothing more "We" could have done if this information was known. It was already very apparent something was going very wrong with Paul.


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Absolutely there was more that could have been done. The general public are vital in finding people after they go missing. It was never made clear about Paul's situation. And if he died a week after going missing, that is 7 days worth of acts that could have helped find him and save him. I will never be told that there isn't more we can to do help someone like Paul. The information just needs to be put forward.

 

[Force Ten]

Absolutely there was more that could have been done. The general public are vital in finding people after they go missing. It was never made clear about Paul's situation. And if he died a week after going missing, that is 7 days worth of acts that could have helped find him and save him. I will never be told that there isn't more we can to do help someone like Paul. The information just needs to be put forward.

So for you to know that he smoked weed and did shrooms would have been vital to finding him? Really? That would require an amazing set of skills. It wouldn't change anything if you knew about his suicidal statements either. This info was most likely provided to LE. It's amazing to me that people believe they are owed certain information because they have invested time looking for someone. This is totally self-gratification. The blame against his wife in this has been ridiculous, and still it continues. This guy's face was literally everywhere and all over the news. None of this new information would have changed the outcome.

 

[DakotaMayi]

So for you to know that he smoked weed and did shrooms would have been vital to finding him? Really? That would require an amazing set of skills. It wouldn't change anything if you knew about his suicidal statements either. This info was most likely provided to LE. It's amazing to me that people believe they are owed certain information because they have invested time looking for someone. This is totally self-gratification. The blame against his wife in this has been ridiculous, and still it continues. This guy's face was literally everywhere and all over the news. None of this new information would have changed the outcome.

Who said anything about knowing he smoked weed? I was talking about his mental health. And no, I do not feel I was owed anything. I feel that he was owed the chance to have people everywhere looking for him and caring for him. I never said anything about his wife either. Please stop insinuating things. Mental health is important to me because of family issues. I do believe that information is vital to finding him. But that's just my opinion. Simply that if people knew the full story of what was going on with him, he might have been found before he died.
Not that his wife is at fault.
Not that we are owed anything (I don't reside in American Fork so I wasn't even talking about myself, just the people who are able to search for him.)
Nothing about smoking weed or shrooms or whatever.

You are entitled to your opinion that it wouldn't have changed anything and I am entitled to mine that I think it may well have.

 

[Force Ten]

Who said anything about knowing he smoked weed? I was talking about his mental health. And no, I do not feel I was owed anything. I feel that he was owed the chance to have people everywhere looking for him and caring for him. I never said anything about his wife either. Please stop insinuating things. Mental health is important to me because of family issues. I do believe that information is vital to finding him. But that's just my opinion. Simply that if people knew the full story of what was going on with him, he might have been found before he died.
Not that his wife is at fault.
Not that we are owed anything (I don't reside in American Fork so I wasn't even talking about myself, just the people who are able to search for him.)
Nothing about smoking weed or shrooms or whatever.

You are entitled to your opinion that it wouldn't have changed anything and I am entitled to mine that I think it may well have.

I was more or less referring to the original poster. But the state of his mental health was pretty apparent. The general consensus was that he was suffering some sort of mental breakdown. There was also a massive search for him by friends, family and volunteers.

 

[cujenn81]

This sounds like a case of textbook mania to me. Unfortunately, trying to help a loved one you suspect is mentally ill can be a slippery slope. Most people prefer to live in denial and find it difficult to admit there's a problem until the behavior becomes so extreme that it's impossible to ignore. Not only that, but it's doubly hard to convince a person who suffers from mental illness to seek help. They will usually deny there's anything wrong with their behavior. This is especially true for individuals in the throes of a manic episode. Those who ARE aware that their mood and/or behavior is atypical usually refuse to seek treatment because they enjoy this new version of themselves. They want to hang on to that frenzied energy, the many genius ideas that are flying thru their brain, the euphoria. They get so much work done. They are more social, more charming, more talkative, more confident, and more sexual. Why would anyone seek to get rid of that? They fail to realize that what goes up must come down. That, eventually, they will crash and feel the opposite of everything they feel right now with the same level of intensity.

If a family member refuses to seek help, the only thing you can really do is petition a judge for a 72-hour involuntary hold in a medical facility. Typically, these holds aren't obtained easily. Even when they are, their loved one will be released in three short days (which is not long enough to help in any real or significant way) and then the family is back at square one.

Seeking help for a mentally ill family member is a really, really stressful and precarious situation. Even if you do everything within your means to help, the outcome might still be the same. There's simply no guarantee when mental illness comes into play.

I, personally, don't believe that he intended to kill himself. I think he was having a manic episode (and based on the amount of time that passed between his disappearance and his death, he was probably psychotic and/or delirious, as well) and made a decision not based in reality (maybe he thought he could fly or maybe he miscalculated the distance or depth of something) and ended up in the water. That's just my gut feeling.

 

[MsFacetious]

I do believe the full picture being told immediately could have saved Paul.
I believe that because I know *I* would have searched differently if I'd known.

I would not have had hope he had just run away. I would have assumed the worst.
I would have assumed he was in the throes of a psychotic break and needed to be found.
I would have likely looked more, longer hours if I had realized the real story.
I would have connected much more with it due to a family member's similar situation.
There are also people who may have looked to the weed angle in the area as well.
I just think it could have helped. I've heard the same from many other locals too.

 

[ElementalLaura]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Rest In Peace, Paul. I’m sorry for his loss and my deepest condolences to his loved ones.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]There was speculation that he had left because he didn’t like his life being blogged about, or that the scrutiny his disappearance drew might be a disincentive to his returning. We learned that wasn’t the case. If his wife had publicly stated that he frequently smoked pot, she would have been criticized for invading his privacy and ruining his future business opportunities. I hope she let LE and any advocacy groups know.

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]If a family member refuses to seek help, the only thing you can really do is petition a judge for a 72-hour involuntary hold in a medical facility. Typically, these holds aren't obtained easily. Even when they are, their loved one will be released in three short days (which is not long enough to help in any real or significant way) and then the family is back at square one. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Seeking help for a mentally ill family member is a really, really stressful and precarious situation. Even if you do everything within your means to help, the outcome might still be the same. There's simply no guarantee when mental illness comes into play.

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Add to this that if the person doesn’t recognize the delusions (and mania causes paranoia as well), family members are also put in an adversarial position when petitioning the judge. The person has a right to testify on his/her own behalf. If you’re desperately trying to maintain contact with someone, going through that process for a short commitment if you ‘win’ can be daunting. You will be seen as an enemy.

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]I, personally, don't believe that he intended to kill himself. I think he was having a manic episode (and based on the amount of time that passed between his disappearance and his death, he was probably psychotic and/or delirious, as well) and made a decision not based in reality (maybe he thought he could fly or maybe he miscalculated the distance or depth of something) and ended up in the water. That's just my gut feeling.

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]It’s my gut feeling, too. Many experienced sleuthers mention that autistic children have a fascination with water. I’ve found that loved ones in manic episodes are drawn to moving water — rivers, in my experience. Something about the reflection of light in the currents is incredibly compelling. The two loved ones of mine who are bipolar have both fallen into rivers during episodes and I’ve heard similar anecdotal stories from others.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Thanks to everyone in this thread who has posted their experiences with bipolar episodes. We just don’t know as a society how to handle this in everyday life, and we need to do better.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[What's up with that?]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Rest In Peace, Paul. I’m sorry for his loss and my deepest condolences to his loved ones.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Regarding the release of information: realize that his family may still not fully realize the extent of his mental illness / delusional state. I have been in their shoes with a family member and a dear friend, and I’m still learning about bipolarism. If he was undiagnosed (which is likely) and hadn’t had a previous episode since being married, family and friends were likely bewildered until it was too late. Clearly they were seeking some type of medical help.[/FONT][/FONT]
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TL;DR: I don’t see this necessarily being a case of denial or wanting to cover up issues. I see it as expecting that he would be found and hoping life could return to normal. I have a lot of empathy for family dealing with bipolar episodes.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Add to this that if the person doesn’t recognize the delusions (and mania causes paranoia as well), family members are also put in an adversarial position when petitioning the judge. The person has a right to testify on his/her own behalf. If you’re desperately trying to maintain contact with someone, going through that process for a short commitment if you ‘win’ can be daunting. You will be seen as an enemy.

It sounds like Paul was in a full-blown delusional state, which may have made a commitment decision easier, but the intensity of mania can ebb and flow over an episode.[/FONT][/FONT]
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Where was it confirmed that Paul had Bipolar disorder?

 

[MsFacetious]

Nothing will ever be confirmed because he died before being diagnosed.

I do 100% believe that the information was held back to protect the family image.
That is fairly normal for the area. Try to hide or sugar coat things that are less than perfect.
Unfortunately that information being held back can hurt the search.
I believe I would overshare, wanting my husband back angry and embarrassed but alive.

I do hope that this will raise awareness of the importance of being transparent about these issues.
I hope it will raise awareness of how important it is to be able to seek help without judgment.
The drug use, overdose and suicide epidemics in Utah are astronomical.
I hope at least some good can come from this in raising awareness and preventing another death.

I was really hoping it would be revealed he died before he was even reported missing.
Lots of people will be haunted at the thought that they could have found him in time...

 

[What's up with that?]

Nothing will ever be confirmed because he died before being diagnosed.

I do 100% believe that the information was held back to protect the family image.
That is fairly normal for the area. Try to hide or sugar coat things that are less than perfect.
Unfortunately that information being held back can hurt the search.
I believe I would overshare, wanting my husband back angry and embarrassed but alive.

I do hope that this will raise awareness of the importance of being transparent about these issues.
I hope it will raise awareness of how important it is to be able to seek help without judgment.
The drug use, overdose and suicide epidemics in Utah are astronomical.
I hope at least some good can come from this in raising awareness and preventing another death.

I was really hoping it would be revealed he died before he was even reported missing.
Lots of people will be haunted at the thought that they could have found him in time...

Ok if there was no diagnosis of bipolar, maybe we shouldn't be speaking as if he had it when we don't know that?

I do agree that some information being witheld was to protect the family image, and that it was important and should have been disclosed. It may have helped in the search, and it possibly could have resulted in a different outcome. It's no wonder his wife is convinced he died the day he went missing, the guilt of not trying harder or doing more to find him must be overwhelming.

 

[cujenn81]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Rest In Peace, Paul. I’m sorry for his loss and my deepest condolences to his loved ones.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Regarding the release of information: realize that his family may still not fully realize the extent of his mental illness / delusional state. I have been in their shoes with a family member and a dear friend, and I’m still learning about bipolarism. If he was undiagnosed (which is likely) and hadn’t had a previous episode since being married, family and friends were likely bewildered until it was too late. Clearly they were seeking some type of medical help.[/FONT][/FONT]
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TL;DR: I don’t see this necessarily being a case of denial or wanting to cover up issues. I see it as expecting that he would be found and hoping life could return to normal. I have a lot of empathy for family dealing with bipolar episodes.[/FONT][/FONT]
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It sounds like Paul was in a full-blown delusional state, which may have made a commitment decision easier, but the intensity of mania can ebb and flow over an episode.[/FONT][/FONT]
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I agree a hundred percent. My mother has bipolar disorder, and I've seen how ugly it can be. Yet, despite bearing witness to three or four of these manic episodes, it's still hard for me to determine the cause of certain behaviors sometimes. It's not always easy to discern if behavior is a "normal" reaction to everyday stress or if it may be a warning sign of something more serious (e.g., hypomania). For example, I talk to my mom on the phone for 5-10 minutes everyday on my way home from work. We haven't planned or scheduled the calls; it's just an ingrained habit kind of thing. But, if she called me several times a day for several days in a row or if she suddenly stopped calling altogether, it would put me on high alert. The shift can be that subtle sometimes and could quickly escalate into total mayhem if we don't rein it in with a trip to her doctor. Luckily, she doesn't fight us about taking her medication these days but that hasn't always been the case. It's difficult and scary, and I wouldn't wish the experience of watching a loved one go thru that initial episode on anyone in my life. You don't know what the hell is going on or what you should do about it.

 

[ElementalLaura]

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Ok if there was no diagnosis of bipolar, maybe we shouldn't be speaking as if he had it when we don't know that?

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I do agree that some information being witheld was to protect the family image, and that it was important and should have been disclosed. It may have helped in the search, and it possibly could have resulted in a different outcome. It's no wonder his wife is convinced he died the day he went missing, the guilt of not trying harder or doing more to find him must be overwhelming.

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]I’m perplexed that the wife is coming under fire. I reread the thread and SM and it seems that she single-handedly organized multiple searches and kept this case front and center in the media, to the extent that she was being criticized for doing too much. In this thread alone there are posts marveling at the attention this case was receiving despite the couple not being particularly observant Mormons. I think her search attempts were sincere, and I’m not sure why there’s an assumption that she is feeling overwhelming guilt over ‘not doing more to find him.’ [/FONT][/FONT]
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[Whiskers16]

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