Found Deceased UT - REMAINS FOUND - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #12 *ARREST*

[kirk2010]

Yeah... that chilled me. :'(

This was in SUCH bad taste, she is standing on Kenzie's grave site for all intents and purposes. I'm still shocked that LE cleared the scene last week - they must have been damn certain they retrieved all of Kenzie's remains.

 

[PommyMommy]

WOW that is creepy as hell that he wanted the cleaning lady to bring her 12 year old daughter with her.

Right?! And, she estimated there were 8 - 10 cameras total; that's more than I thought. And, the three in the master bedroom were aimed at the bed. MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

So trustworthy in fact, that you would think nothing of meeting them at 3am in a dark parking lot.
On that note. Wanna buy a bridge?

RSABBM:

And therein lies the problem:

There is no scenario that any of us have been able to come up with that satisfactorily explains why ML trusted AA enough to meet him at 3 am in a dark parking lot.

None.

Every theory we've posited as to why ML was meeting up with him at that hour in that location has holes.

Every single one.

As soon as I hear an explanation that makes perfect sense, I'll buy that bridge.

Until then, I'm comparison shopping all the theories that are out there.

I ain't buying a bridge to nowhere, but I ain't blowing up bridges before I know they're dead ends, either.

JMO.

 

[Optics]

I think a thoughtful writer might name a character in Africa Ezekiel, to indicate that he came from a Christian background. (Old Testament name.)

However, not much to be learned if you’re looking at a non-thoughtful writer.

Yes I agree, and it may not mean anything, but the irony of the meaning of it spelled backwards in consideration of all that's transpired is eerie at best.

 

[PommyMommy]

Definitely NOT Japanese!

Nope, lol. I blame Google!

 

[MassGuy]

RSABBM:

And therein lies the problem:

There is no scenario that any of us have been able to come up with that satisfactorily explains why ML trusted AA enough to meet him at 3 am in a dark parking lot.

None.

Every theory we've posited as to why ML was meeting up with him at that hour in that location has holes.

Every single one.

As soon as I hear an explanation that makes perfect sense, I'll buy the bridge.

Until then, I'm comparison shopping all the theories that are out there.

I ain't buying a bridge to nowhere, but I ain't blowing up bridges before I know they're dead ends, either.

JMO.

I think the answer is a simple one. They knew each other.

I’m convinced there was some prior contact, and she trusted him enough to meet him at that time, and in that place.

How this came to be, is anyone’s guess.

I just think the drug dealer theory is the least likely of them all.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes, that's what I meant by him having fantasies and ultimately carrying those urges out in real life.
The rape charges, the alleged torture room, and other things might lead one to believe this was premeditated. If those things are indeed true. Imo

I think he searched for BDSM and expressed an interest online in BDSM as a way to find easy victims.

For him, it wasn't play...and to make it easy to find prey, he looked for people who would be willing at least at the beginning of the encounter. If they later didn't comply, they might not be willing to press charges for all the reasons we likely understand. imo

I think the same M.O. for all his "interests." They were, imo, lures to find easy victims who would comply and not complain later. He was into the violence for real, not pretend, imo. (And perhaps some people did consider themselves partners not victims - some encounters might indeed have been mutually agreeable.)

jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

If I'm following what you said in this post correctly, a person can be a member of the Army National Guard for an extended period of time without ever completing basic training.

If I'm getting this wrong let everyone know. Thanks.

If that's true then I definitely am not understanding any of it.
I thought he never completed basic training and was not a member of the national guard.

 

[SandSage]

Can someone please refresh my memory re: AA's venmo user name? I've attempted to search to no avail. TIA

 

[Thespyma]

I do not the rules of our military on accepting foreign citizens into it. It doesn’t seem possible or even feasible that they would take foreign students here on a student visa.

Even a green card would raise Questions in my mind. People are desperate to get that green card, but in my opinion, it is only so they can legally work in this rich country - as many think of the USA..

So, how did this murderer get into the service? With the little that we know of him, I can see where that was a big mistake as he thinks he is “big man”and no one will tell him what to do!

He was married and here as a spouse on a spouse visa with green card. It is permissible for a resident spouse to join the military. In fact in the past it was the easiest way to gain citizenship. Now a candidate for citizenship must pass a rigorous test which is so difficult most American born citizens would do poorly on. My MIL recently got hers a few years back and she studied for years. She knows more about US history and government than most HS grads!

 

[Inthedetails]

Can someone please refresh my memory re: AA's venmo user name? I've attempted to search to no avail. TIA

yellowflowers? yellowflower?

 

[PixieStix]

Can someone please refresh my memory re: AA's venmo user name? I've attempted to search to no avail. TIA

Yellow Flowers, make sure you are logged in so you can see all the activity.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Can someone please refresh my memory re: AA's venmo user name? I've attempted to search to no avail. TIA

Yellow Flower or Yellow Flowers

 

[Thespyma]

Thank you Gardener.

I have added:

• 2015 - Friend SM met AA in US Army basic training in Fort Jackson, SC.
• Jan 2018 - Army friend SM moved to UT and lived downstairs in AA's Airbnb

Yes, it's been reported both ways so I just noted that on the list. Thanks for pointing that out. Wish we knew one way or the other which is correct! Ugh.

This new info on his being at Ft. Jackson leads me to believe that he had some "medical"(psych maybe?) issue which was being investigated while he was in the NG. He likely was pulled from his Basic and sent for medical examination. If he had simply washed out of Basic, the Army would have discharged him then and there from Ft. Jackson with a ticket "home" to wherever he lived. With medical, especially Psych issues, they would want to test, counsel and confirm before discharge. This opens up a lot of possibilities as to his behavior and his heinous act!
Ft. Jackson was where I had Basic, and my Dad and Grandfather as well! We had 22 of the 52 starting wash out in my platoon. A couple more were retained for Psych evals for attempting suicide, and 2 for "deviant" behavior. Those were gone the next day.

 

[SandSage]

@PixieStix @Inthedetails @rocket thank you.

 

[ClaireNC]

Can someone please refresh my memory re: AA's venmo user name? I've attempted to search to no avail. TIA

Yellow Flowers

Yellow-Flowers

 

[Dutch77]

Yikes! Wouldn’t it be ironic if she met him in the most ordinary safe way possible—a friend of a friend?

This is what got me thinking of the drug angle for meeting but that theory fails for so many other reasons

 

[PommyMommy]

I think the answer is a simple one. They knew each other.

I’m convinced there was some prior contact, and she trusted him enough to meet him at that time, and in that place.

How this came to be, is anyone’s guess.

I just think the drug dealer theory is the least likely of them all.

Yep. I don't think there was any drug deal going on and I've avoided speculating as to why she met him there because like you say, it's anyone's guess. MOO

 

[Thespyma]

He was supposedly in this Army/Navy video posted Dec 4, 2017:

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Heavy reported it's him in the video:
Ayoola Ajayi: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

MOO

Nowhere in the info that I can recall has him stationed in Upstate NY. The video is of the 10th Mountain Division who make their home in Ft. Drum, NY (WAY upstate near Watertown, just a few miles from the Canadian border). I seriously doubt he is in the film which features 10th Mt. Division soldiers.

 

[GordianKnot]

This new info on his being at Ft. Jackson leads me to believe that he had some "medical"(psych maybe?) issue which was being investigated while he was in the NG. He likely was pulled from his Basic and sent for medical examination. If he had simply washed out of Basic, the Army would have discharged him then and there from Ft. Jackson with a ticket "home" to wherever he lived. With medical, especially Psych issues, they would want to test, counsel and confirm before discharge. This opens up a lot of possibilities as to his behavior and his heinous act!
Ft. Jackson was where I had Basic, and my Dad and Grandfather as well! We had 22 of the 52 starting wash out in my platoon. A couple more were retained for Psych evals for attempting suicide, and 2 for "deviant" behavior. Those were gone the next day.

Thanks so much for this info and for offering your insights!

Given what we know, this would make absolutely perfect sense.

I think this is the likeliest explanation vs. some physically disqualifying condition.

He's a deviant.

JMO.