UT UT- STILL MISSING 5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley , Logan, 25 May 2019 (UNCLE ARRESTED) #2

[JustJes]

Ita. Something “abnormal” occurred in the house for LE to
realize “this won’t end well.” So we can assume evidence of SA or death. Moo

Maybe SA in the house, idk. Iirc, evidence found in the house (via SW) led LE to believe “this won’t end well.”
Info previously linked, numerous times.

Could he have been caught by ES stealing from the house? Maybe going through mom’s purse. He reacts and strikes out at her and things snowball from there. He seems to have had money, but from what I’ve seen, no recent job. MOO.

 

[Tealgrove]

So is he an organized pedophile or did this all just come about because of a combination of drugs and alcohol and opportunity?

I've gone through his FB and he is quite disturbed. It is very clear to me that he's not right. Just glancing at his FB sent shivers up my spine but I didn't get a feeling that he was "into" little girls.

Dark, disturbed and depraved are words that LE are using. They know better than I.

MOO, I think there was an attraction to Lizzy and drugs/alcohol gave him the courage to act upon it. He seized the opportunity. He might have "created" the opportunity. That might be the better word.

I believe something occurred in the house. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that I believe SA happened in the house and perhaps he killed her there as well. It could be as simple as strangulation. The deed is done and he needs to get rid of the body. He won't be able to carry her forever. I get that she's little but weight is weight. He didn't take her all the way to Hyrum. No way. He disposed of her close to her home and then he legged it out of there.

MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I agree with both and am undecided if I think it occurred in the home or outside. I agree with OBE that it is mostly unheard of inside the home.

However, when we consider what we are led to believe, that he was on foot, possibly with no vehicle and no home to take her to, it somewhat changes the usual possibilities, if he had nowhere to take her.

This is also not a stranger abduction and it is not unheard of for a relative to molest a child in the home downstairs or down the hall while mom is sleeping, for years sometimes sadly, whether a stepfather, uncle stepbrother, etc. Killing the child at the home, however, may be more unusual.

I as someone else said above, would like to know the layout of the home. Is there an attached garage with a firewall between the garage and home (sound wise) or a finished basement? I would like to know the events the day and night before. I am not victim blaming but were all drinking and celebrating, tired, the child allowed to stay up late due to an event?

He had to carry her one way or the other or walk her or take a vehicle. Leaving the door open does make me wonder if his hands were full. Had he said to her, let's take a walk or go on an adventure and she was walking, there is actually no reason he could not have also taken his skateboard unless he knew he would be carrying her later but then why would you not just dispose of her where you took her to and then take off on your board? However, if his hands were full when he left, because it happened at the home, it may explain the door being left open and the skateboard left behind.

It also was pretty clear from the PC that there was evidence in the home tying him forensically which also lends to it happening there.

I am torn on whether in the house or outside of the home. I also just do not see him walking far in the dark carrying a body. In town or not, with streetlights or yard lights, he still has to navigate in the dark to dispose of her (i hate saying that) and go unnoticed.

Right now I guess I may lean towards in the home although I generally would not in most cases. There is evidence there because something happened there. He had to get rid of her and took her and what he could for evidence, left the door open, left his skateboard and just went to dispose of her and evidence. All videos so far as we know thus far are him seen without her.

All jmo and speculation but I can believe either scenario, inside the home our outside the home at this point.

In the county where I live, online property tax records have a floor plan of the outside of the home and it would say if it was two stories or one story and had a basement. Can somebody bump up the address of where this happened and perhaps somebody can check the property tax records for such? I believe we are allowed to put out the address of where it happened within TOs

 

[lucylulu]

I think it’s a big assumption to make that Lizzi trusted him, or even knew him well. I could be totally wrong, but he doesn’t strike me as putting in a lot of time in terms of relationships, or in luring her; that takes time and focus, and my impression of him is that his ability to focus is pretty significantly impaired. My opinion only of course.

I don't think she was lured out of the house with him. Maybe he incapacitated her inside the home. As far as the bat, maybe he carries it around for protection since he has no car and walks all the time. I think his evilness unfolded and snapped. Moo

 

[oviedo]

Oh dear - this is reminding me of the Isle of Bute murder - little 6 year old Alesha MacPhail. I don't think there is a lot of hope for her since the clothes were found according to MSM - Where Is Elizabeth Shelley? Missing 5-Year-Old Last Seen With Uncle Whom Police Have Named 'Main Suspect'
although it seems this is not in the affidavit and I believe the clothing was found buried? I am still catching up. Poor baby

 

[TTF14]

I believe something occurred in the house. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that I believe SA happened in the house and perhaps he killed her there as well. It could be as simple as strangulation. The deed is done and he needs to get rid of the body. He won't be able to carry her forever. I get that she's little but weight is weight. He didn't take her all the way to Hyrum. No way. He disposed of her close to her home and then he legged it out of there.

MOO

Agree. I think he simply crept into her room in the middle of the night, assaulted and killer her there, then removed her body. <modsnip>

 

[ilovechili]

Ita. Something “abnormal” occurred in the house for LE to
realize “this won’t end well.” So we can assume evidence of SA or death. Moo

I agree, I think it has to be one or the other and if it was the one, then the other also probably occurred simultaneously or after. I know they said the burner phone tied him somehow but it also sounded as if there was other clear evidence. I think he may have tried to clean up and take the most obvious items but did not do a good enough job.

I also do not believe the skateboard remaining behind is what triggered reporting her missing. The skateboard bothers me, I think it is just part of what was likely said, and is not enough on its own for their concern. I think the mother came across something else or had another reason for being worried she was not safe if with her brother. However, she was not worried earlier about him being there or staying so far as we know, so just guessing that they found something in the home indicating something that increased her concern.

Jmo.

 

[Trudie]

I believe something occurred in the house. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that I believe SA happened in the house and perhaps he killed her there as well. It could be as simple as strangulation. The deed is done and he needs to get rid of the body. He won't be able to carry her forever. I get that she's little but weight is weight. He didn't take her all the way to Hyrum. No way. He disposed of her close to her home and then he legged it out of there.

For sure something happened in the house, per LE.
I agree he needed to get rid of her ASAP and high taill it out of Logan. I’m sure he was extremely thirsty by time he stopped for beer, I doubt he wasted time getting to Hyrum, he wanted to be as far away from Logan as possible, imo.

 

[Herat]

For sure something happened in the house, per LE.
I agree he needed to get rid of her ASAP and high taill it out of Logan. I’m sure he was extremely thirst by time he stopped for beer, I doubt he wasted time getting to Hyrum, he wanted to be as far away from Logan as possible, imo.

The report of a possible video sighting at 6:45 am would contradict this.

I, too, would have thought he would have wanted to be well away from the area by daybreak, but that reported video doesn’t seem to support that.

 

[Trudie]

I also do not believe the skateboard remaining behind is what triggered reporting her missing. The skateboard bothers me, I think it is just part of what was likely said, and is not enough on its own for their concern.

No, I think maybe missing bed linens made mom realize something was very wrong. Mom knows her brother, knows his relationship with the child, etc., she knew she needed LE, the two were not out picking up donuts to surprise her.

 

[Inthedetails]

The report of a possible video sighting at 6:45 am would contradict this.

I, too, would have thought he would have wanted to be well away from the area by daybreak, but that reported video doesn’t seem to support that.

Unless the incident didn't happen at 2am but closer to dawn.

 

[Trudie]

The report of a possible video sighting at 6:45 am would contradict this.

I, too, would have thought he would have wanted to be well away from the area by daybreak, but that reported video doesn’t seem to support that.

No it doesn’t, do you know what time he left the house?
I haven’t found that reported.
Because mom went to bed at 2 doesn’t mean he started his nefarious activity at 2:01.
I think he might have slept a few minutes, maybe tiptoed around a couple times it be sure everyone remained sleeping.
He didn’t need hours. He only needed to get rid of her before daylight.

 

[ilovechili]

In the county where I live, online property tax records have a floor plan of the outside of the home and it would say if it was two stories or one story and had a basement. Can somebody bump up the address of where this happened and perhaps somebody can check the property tax records for such? I believe we are allowed to put out the address of where it happened within TOs

Thank you DG1035. I think I read previously that many homes in that area are two story but do not remember any specific detail on their home.

The smaller the area of course, the less likely he did something to her in the home with mom present, even if sleeping, the larger, the more levels, attached garage, etc., not as far fetched. They also, if I recall correctly, spent some major amount of time in the home (LE).

 

[Sillybilly]

Interesting, a poster last night who wants to be a Verified Insider claimed there was a family wedding and that's why they arrived back to the home late and that was also why he was wearing a suit.

It's about time we got this issue straight.

Just for the record, the potential VI stated only that there was a family wedding. They speculated the sister's house was probably a convenient place to crash.

Jumping off this post ... Tricia is working on the verification process of our potential VI. Members will be notified as soon as that is complete.

 

[ilovechili]

No, I think it maybe missing bed linens made mom realize something was very wrong. Mom knows her brother, knows his relationship with the child, etc., she knew she needed LE, the two were not out picking up donuts to surprise her.

Yes, pretty much what I mean, there was a reason beyond the skateboard. Maybe evidence of clean-up in a bathroom, something in the garbage, the sheets, something... Clothing...

 

[LeeAnnB]

Don’t we have a few locals who can tell us the layout of house?

 

[Dre]

Yes, pretty much what I mean, there was a reason beyond the skateboard. Maybe evidence of clean-up in a bathroom, something in the garbage, the sheets, something... Clothing...

I’m wondering if there could be evidence ie. Bed linens gone, a knife missing, a bat missing etc that would lead to forensic investigation or the obvious assumption he planned to kill her, but also still leave room for the violence to take place outside?

ETA I don’t know why and I apologize but I’m so stuck on the idea of the main assault happening outside of the home...

 

[Tealgrove]

Yes, pretty much what I mean, there was a reason beyond the skateboard. Maybe evidence of clean-up in a bathroom, something in the garbage, the sheets, something... Clothing...

Yup

 

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