UT UT- STILL MISSING 5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley , Logan, 25 May 2019 (UNCLE ARRESTED) #2

[ilovechili]

It is interesting to me that upon AW's accosting by LE, his first utterances seemed to be concern to identify that he had drugs and paraphernalia with him. If someone had just killed a child, that isn't what I'd expect him to be concerned about. Just thoughts.

I found that a bid odd too. He tries to walk away, does not cooperate but he offers up that information?

 

[Dre]

He is in no way organized.. he didn’t plan this out and is very impulsive... I bet you he had a knife early on, disposed of it like the clothes and other evidence and grabbed the bat somewhere on his long journey after he felt vulnerable without a weapon. He didn’t seem to care about probation at all til the minute he was apprehended hence his comment to the officers about possessing marijuana.
He’s gotten really lucky thus far that they haven’t found her... ugh
I still have not felt that this was revenge but rather some intense sexual impulse after having had lots of alcohol and an opportunity to prey on her. Zero regard for his probation, his family, her life or his future... definitely a slew of severe mental health issues at play IMOO

 

[Ebeccare]

Hi! New here, though I've been reading posts for a couple of days. I found out about the case from a friend who is more distantly related to the family through marriage, and it breaks my heart.

For those of you who are familiar with search procedures, how thorough are they with trees in the search vicinity? As I was drifting off to sleep last night I wondered that if he used a backpack to hide her, would it have been possible for him to climb a tree and stash the pack up there under enough foliage to be hidden from drones/copters and not visible from the ground? Or would cadaver dogs still get hits just from the air?

Just wondering if somebody desperate to hide a body might use a tree, then figure that they would run off and then maybe come back later to take it down and hide it better before fall/winter hits.

I'm new to all of this, so please forgive me if it's a stupid question.

 

[JudgeJoe]

Hi! New here, though I've been reading posts for a couple of days. I found out about the case from a friend who is more distantly related to the family through marriage, and it breaks my heart.

For those of you who are familiar with search procedures, how thorough are they with trees in the search vicinity? As I was drifting off to sleep last night I wondered that if he used a backpack to hide her, would it have been possible for him to climb a tree and stash the pack up there under enough foliage to be hidden from drones/copters and not visible from the ground? Or would cadaver dogs still get hits just from the air?

Just wondering if somebody desperate to hide a body might use a tree, then figure that they would run off and then maybe come back later to take it down and hide it better before fall/winter hits.

I'm new to all of this, so please forgive me if it's a stupid question.

Welcome to WS! Not a stupid question! With the suspect high on drugs or alcohol- who knows what crazy actions he took. Anything is possible- and has probably been done by someone somewhere.

 

[Trudie]

He ran?

You can read the arrest report, it’s a few pages back.
He refused to put hands on head & attempted to backaway,
That’s why LE “assisted him to the ground”.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Cache Valley man describes encounter with Alex Whipple, suspect in Logan girl's disappearance | Gephardt Daily

Lil******** said Whipple was wearing a gray hoodie and a suit.

“Weird get-up he was in. I turned to my buddy and says ‘what a weird individual.'”

He said Whipple “came in here to buy beer. He bought three beers and a pack of smokes and then he left toward South Cache.”

 

[ClaireNC]

Sounds to me like he was quite dogmatic about discarding things in a somewhat scattered pattern....as if to make it harder?

That could be driven by paranoia, not rational thought. Also, the scattered pattern could be places that he saw as easy spots to hide things. Assuming that he didn’t have a shovel to dig a hole, just buried things under rubble/debris.

(The fact that he casually bought beer and was just walking down a street when LE found him, seems like he wasn’t trying to hide. If he was thinking rationally he would have gone into hiding. Maybe?)

 

[HayLouise]

The search for Elizabeth Shelley enters the 4th day with a ground search on 1200 West between Nibley and Hyrum in Cache County. LIve updates on #2NewsAM.

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[deugirtni]

Hi! New here, though I've been reading posts for a couple of days. I found out about the case from a friend who is more distantly related to the family through marriage, and it breaks my heart.

For those of you who are familiar with search procedures, how thorough are they with trees in the search vicinity? As I was drifting off to sleep last night I wondered that if he used a backpack to hide her, would it have been possible for him to climb a tree and stash the pack up there under enough foliage to be hidden from drones/copters and not visible from the ground? Or would cadaver dogs still get hits just from the air?

Just wondering if somebody desperate to hide a body might use a tree, then figure that they would run off and then maybe come back later to take it down and hide it better before fall/winter hits.

I'm new to all of this, so please forgive me if it's a stupid question.

Welcome to WS. No stupid questions. And great thought!
It reminded me of a case I had followed a few years ago, completely different circumstances, missing man in Calgary.. just simply missing.. all kinds of possibilities were being imagined of what had happened to him and who did it to him and where they hid him, and etc... he was eventually, after 6 long months, found hanging high up in a tree on someone's lawn. Suicide. They (LE and others) didn't look in the trees.. and I'll bet they're not now either. jmo.

 

[HayLouise]

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[Herat]

What kind of trains go through there & on what schedule? Do they stop?

Few trains, perhaps twice weekly to Preston, ID and back. But the tracks are not in great condition. It does not appear that the train goes to Hyrum regularly any more.

The Cache Valley Branch

 

[Trudie]

I still have not felt that this was revenge but rather some intense sexual impulse after having had lots of alcohol and an opportunity to prey on her. Zero regard for his probation, his family, her life or his future... definitely a slew of severe mental health issues at play IMOO

I think the same except I think he had this planned, as far as the attack & potential SA. He seemed to have some type of plan in place for hiding a body, they can’t find her.
Jmo

 

[Herat]

That could be driven by paranoia, not rational thought. Also, the scattered pattern could be places that he saw as easy spots to hide things. Assuming that he didn’t have a shovel to dig a hole, just buried things under rubble/debris.

(The fact that he casually bought beer and was just walking down a street when LE found him, seems like he wasn’t trying to hide. If he was thinking rationally he would have gone into hiding. Maybe?)

He was walking on a dirt road in some remote farmland, about 8 miles from the home. He was not strolling down a street in town. He was not far from heading into the hills

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I was assuming the bat was for resisting arrest by either LE or anyone else who spotted him and wanted to hold him till LE got there.

I'm wondering if he was totally without a phone (having left the burner phone at his sister's house) and therefore not sure what alerts or LE action had yet been taken. He must have assumed the crime would be discovered very quickly. But it would be very strange and paranoia inducing to assume LE were looking for him but not know.

I think we are going to learn the baseball bat was his weapon of choice.

He may have still had it with him as you say to resist arrest or to clean it up at another more secure location. He also could have kept it so he could relive his crimes.

Even if they found blood on Elizabeth's clothing that would not be enough for LE to immediately determine to shift the searches from rescue to recovery.

Blood, and brain matter found on the bat...would immediately let them know she is dead. Even though it will be sent to the lab for forensic testing it does not prevent any experienced LE from recognizing human blood, and brain matter. Imo, they knew what it was even before testing.

As an aside topic:

While some believe this wasnt premeditated, I respectfully disagree. Imo it has all the earmarks requiring premeditation.

Being organized or disorganized has nothing to do with the crime being premeditated. There have always been organized, and disorganized premeditated murderers.

I also dont think he suffers from any mental issues other than he may turnout to be a sociopath. Why that seems to come in prematurely in just about every case still continues to puzzle me when most all murder defendants arent/werent mentally ill at the time they murdered..

Imo, It's very clear he had clear cognitive thinking to not only pull this off without detection, but to cover up his crimes afterwards.

Jmo

 

[Herat]

I also don't get why you would choose the bat over another weapon. Surely there was some type of knife in the house, if he felt he needed a weapon.

Perhaps the bat was useful for breaking into places

Another thing to note is this is Utah we are talking about. They don't generally have a large alcohol variety in their gas stations and grocery stores.

They do generally have tall boys in singles at the gas station. His beer options were likely quite limited, though it's possible being a college town there were more options.

And a small farming town in Utah. Yes, it probably didn't have the larger stock of alcoholic beverages that one sees in convenience stores along major tourist highways. Funny thought.

 

[Rosiebones]

I find it interesting that LE is asking for any sightings of AW on Saturday late afternoon on.
Where did he shower and shave (his mugshot is clean shaven except for the goatee) where did he keep his suit and shirt and tie so he didn't look wrinkled and disheveled?
Where are the clothes etc. he took off at that time?
Did he have a backpacker size backpack or a smaller one?
How did he get from the reception to the home, did he walk?

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Welcome to WS. No stupid questions. And great thought!
It reminded me of a case I had followed a few years ago, completely different circumstances, missing man in Calgary.. just simply missing.. all kinds of possibilities were being imagined of what had happened to him and who did it to him and where they hid him, and etc... he was eventually, after 6 long months, found hanging high up in a tree on someone's lawn. Suicide. They (LE and others) didn't look in the trees.. and I'll bet they're not now either. jmo.

I am concerned with this as well. The suspect knew the lay of the land. Walked/ skated it often. He would know all the hidey-holes. From google maps I can see lots of places. I don’t imagine he went more than a couple of blocks in any direction with this little girl. Trees, under porches, on top of buildings, under tarps, etc. I wonder if he was seen wet or muddy.
And of course people look in areas differently when they are looking for a lost child versus recovery.

 

[Herat]

I think a baseball bat hidden on a person with no baseball activities to attend to will easily be considered a weapon by police. Depends on circumstances. imo.

The Utah law is deliberately vague about Dangerous Weapons. It excludes chemical, poisons, and explosives (so pepper spray is not a dangerous weapon)

The statute allows LE to arrest him as a Felon in Possession of a Dangerous Weapon, amongst the other charges, to assist in getting him off the street and increase his bail / bond. Other things that could be Dangerous Weapons could be knives, nunchucks, chains, brass knuckles, clubs, a crowbar, and of course, firearms

 

[HayLouise]

The search for missing 5-year-old, Elizabeth Shelley continues into day four. Logan City police say an update will be given around 11 a.m. Tuesday.

Day Three: Search for 5-year-old Elizabeth Shelley continues

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[AgeofAquaruis]

I am hoping today is the day they find Lizzy.
I think this guy was a walking time bomb. He had a criminal record going back at least two years and we don't even know anything about his juvenile record, if one exists.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has a long history of mental health issues and substance abuse, going back to his early teens.
In any case he seems to have had a dark past, looking at his FB he seems to have had significant issues with depression.
I think that he spiraled out of control and likely acted out impulses and urges that he may have had for a long time. He doesn't seem to have any respect for his family or even human life. He is not remorseful nor does he seem to care about anything at all.
I don't think he had a psychotic break down or lost control. He knew exactly what he was doing and made attempts to cover his tracks.
I hope they find Lizzy so her body can tell the story of what he did to her. Her family deserves to know what happened and he deserves to be punished to the fullest extent. Imo

Most of all Elizabeth deserves justice.
MOO