UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #5

[kiki the parrot]

There is one critical question I keep trying to answer. Did Josh plan on killing Susan that night or was it an act of rage? If he planned to kill her why did he choose that night? It certainly wasn’t because he had airtight alibi arranged. If he didn’t plan on killing her then that would eliminate a lot of the speculation about poisoning her. The answer to this question will go a long way in figuring out what happened that night.

The way the events played out it would seem very unlikely that he had a plan in place to kill her. He had no credible alibi set up. No one, not even Josh, could be stupid enough to think that the story he gave police would deflect suspicion away from them. Looking at it this way it seems obvious that he didn’t have a plan in place and most likely killed Susan during an argument.

It is possible that he did have a plan and something went wrong. He might have chosen that night because he knew the snow would cover his tracks. While disposing of Susan’s body he got stuck in the snow. Not being able to call for a tow, for obvious reasons, he spent several hours digging himself out. When he was unable to get home before their friends and family got concerned his plan fell apart.

What do you think did he have a plan or not?

Re bbm, yes I believe it's very possible... because a person may not have picked the precise moment to implement or execute their plan does not mean they have not been long dwelling and meditating upon the thing, dreaming and scheming up ways to set that plan in motion, mulling over the details until the "right" opportunity or means collides w the final triggering event.

If, as is reported, many sociopaths walk among us tho some may never murder--then it must be the capability exists or lies within them. The fact that some don't is probably due only to these factors not coinciding IMO. In JP's case, w/e flimsy inhibitions or thin barrier existed (thinking he could continue deceiving, avoiding the legal, psychological and financial repercussions of divorce, child support, loss of control etc) dissolved that night--after his wife, no doubt, made good on the consequences she'd long warned JP would come. Among other things he'd not attended church that day (reportedly a main sticking point) so she called his bluff and told JP it is finished. Josh realized she really did intend to follow thru, discovered his lies would not work, she was no longer willing to listen to the words anymore and at that moment he understood it was no longer negotiable. But IMO he'd arrived at his solution for when the time came--and thought of it often. He was just too consumed by hate to think it through clearly... and didn't anticipate the speed w which it would be reported. JMO

arrot:

 

[gwenabob]

That and filing motions for the sake of filing to just extend it, as she had run out of funds, from what I read. Seems a good part was just to fight for the sake of fighting to wear her down to the point she'd give up.

Right. Susan worried that Josh would try to bankrupt her in a divorce and custody battle. She must know that is what his daddy did to his mother. Seems to be the way these men control their wives--fear and the legal system.

 

[Bartleby]

I think he had a plan, and if I read correctly that he was to start a new job the next day, that may have played a factor

It wasn't a new job, I made that mistake too.

It was a job he'd had for about a year. Kind of hard to forget the day of the week when you're used to getting up every Monday morning for work IMO.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

It wasn't a new job, I made that mistake too.

It was a job he'd had for about a year. Kind of hard to forget the day of the week when you're used to getting up every Monday morning for work IMO.

You know I kept thinking why did he get fired for just missing a day at work, was it just for not calling in? Then I got to thinking he probably did call in and told his boss the same story he told everyone. Terminated on the spot.

 

[diphi]

FYI - I just tried to visit Susan's friends' FB page. Now it isn't public anymore; you have to join.

 

[crocus]

Re bbm, yes I believe it's very possible... because a person may not have picked the precise moment to implement or execute their plan does not mean they have not been long dwelling and meditating upon the thing, dreaming and scheming up ways to set that plan in motion, mulling over the details until the "right" opportunity or means collides w the final triggering event.

If, as is reported, many sociopaths walk among us tho some may never murder--then it must be the capability exists or lies within them. The fact that some don't is probably due only to these factors not coinciding IMO. In JP's case, w/e flimsy inhibitions or thin barrier existed (thinking he could continue deceiving, avoiding the legal, psychological and financial repercussions of divorce, child support, loss of control etc) dissolved that night--after his wife, no doubt, made good on the consequences she'd long warned JP would come. Among other things he'd not attended church that day (reportedly a main sticking point) so she called his bluff and told JP it is finished. Josh realized she really did intend to follow thru, discovered his lies would not work, she was no longer willing to listen to the words anymore and at that moment he understood it was no longer negotiable. But IMO he'd arrived at his solution for when the time came--and thought of it often. He was just too consumed by hate to think it through clearly... and didn't anticipate the speed w which it would be reported. JMO

arrot:

BBM
I think this is a key. IMO.

 

[kiki the parrot]

At the risk of getting busted yet again today, I find it interesting you brought this up. I was talking to someone the other day about judgement. First of all, I hereby profess I am merely human and stumble all the time. But I have also come to realise that there is a fine line between giving an opinion and judging someone, wouldn't you say? When celebrities do wrong I see people say they deserve to lose their jobs and so on. Or a situation like this where someone has lost a life due to horrible circumstance. Society seems very unforgiving anymore and I always believed God wanted us to be forgiving. Which doesn't mean forgetting but accepting responsibility, working thru problems and moving on, part of healing as well.
So in this situation that Josh is in, just how far does someone reach out to him in hopes to get him to confess, before we are judging him?

Nope. Not a fine line Fresca. First of all we judge actions vs people. We call wrong wrong. Responsibility needs to be accepted before all this talk of forgiveness and healing can even begin.

What JP has most likely done is not "stumble," but murder the mother of his children. It may already be too late for her family to ever bring Susan home to lay her to rest w a proper burial, or for her now motherless boys to ever say goodbye to their mother.

And until JP answers for that--it's not "reaching out" he needs. Under these circumstances, this treacherous, unruly deceiver needs the harshest rebuke possible--and then the full weight of our judicial system brought to bear if he's hoping at this point his life can even be spared.

I suggest we need to take a hard look at our society if we have to be fearful of "judging," too reluctant and timid to even call murder wrong. I have much empathy, compassion and forgiveness for those willing to admit to "stumbling," by owning their mistakes. But for those who believe they can snuff out life and remain instead #ellbent on lying, concealing, covering, deceiving, denying, excusing, blameshifting and bull$#!++ing their way out of consequences... I haven't one OUNCE of pity. This isn't "stumbling," a person doesn't just trip and fall and "oopsie I offed my wife, drove for days to dispose of her body where no one can ever find her, and I'm not gonna disclose a thing..." It's a lifelong pattern of narcissism and deception, and IMO he isn't just lying re what he did he's lying about WHO HE IS.

I haven't heard one IOTA of concern for his wife and the mother of his two boys. I haven't heard one HINT of remorse, or admission of guilt. ADMONISH THE UNRULY, ENCOURAGE THE FAINT, HELP THE WEAK... He is NOT weak or faint of heart, he is a pathological narcissist who preyed on a defenseless woman and mother and hopes to get away w it.

HE GETS NO SYMPATHY HERE.:snooty:

arrot:

 

[crocus]

You know I kept thinking why did he get fired for just missing a day at work, was it just for not calling in? Then I got to thinking he probably did call in and told his boss the same story he told everyone. Terminated on the spot.

But, who knows his track record with this company prior to this? Maybe this was the final straw? He thought it was still Sunday, and therefore didn't call in. *Insert rolling eyes here.*

Had this happened before? No call / no show?

 

[passionflower]

You know I kept thinking why did he get fired for just missing a day at work, was it just for not calling in? Then I got to thinking he probably did call in and told his boss the same story he told everyone. Terminated on the spot.

ITA, But I believe that the employer had warned him about many things many times, and has proof that Josh was on the way out and Josh knew it!
Josh didn't want to go to work I bet.
I bet he didn't want Susan to find out he was lousy at work.
I would love to hear from employer.
It is hard to train and get good employees.
I doubt if someones wife was missing an employer wouldn't give you your family leave or vacation.
Just like Ron Cummings..............more to the employment story than we actually know!!! JMOO

 

[crocus]

FYI - I just tried to visit Susan's friends' FB page. Now it isn't public anymore; you have to join.

:waitasec: I suspect they are having a hard time controlling / censoring posts from the wide, wonderful world of the internet.

 

[amm]

This thread is getting very long! Should we start a new one and does someone else know how to do it? TIA!

 

[AlexisFresca]

You know I kept thinking why did he get fired for just missing a day at work, was it just for not calling in? Then I got to thinking he probably did call in and told his boss the same story he told everyone. Terminated on the spot.

From what I have read it sounds like he's not the best employee to have. I would imagine his employer had some issues with him this past year. If you are a good employee, I think most companies will initially stand behind you (early on in 'the case') until things unfold, and then they eventually fire you.

If your a bad employee (say you are a manager and none of your coworkers can stand you and have issues with you, and even customers). But your company keeps you because its their busiest time of the year. After the holidays, they can 'justify' getting rid of you by saying that sales goals were not met under this manager and they need to let him go.

I imagine this could have been the case with Josh and his employer as well (but related to his field - not necessarily a sales environment like the above situation). They find a legitimate outlet to get rid of a problem employee.

I don't remember Peterson losing his job at the force right away either when Stacy went missing.

 

[crocus]

From what I have read it sounds like he's not the best employee to have. I would imagine his employer had some issues with him this past year. If you are a good employee, I think most companies will initially stand behind you (early on in 'the case') until things unfold, and then they eventually fire you.

If your a bad employee (say you are a manager and none of your coworkers can stand you and have issues with you, and even customers). But your company keeps you because its their busiest time of the year. After the holidays, they can 'justify' getting rid of you by saying that sales goals were not met under this manager and they need to let him go.

I imagine this could have been the case with Josh and his employer as well (but related to his field - not necessarily a sales environment like the above situation). They find a legitimate outlet to get rid of a problem employee.

I don't remember Peterson losing his job at the force right away either when Stacy went missing.

Well, he opted for retirement before anything could be initiated.

 

[Doctorwoof]

I'm sure the owners of the trucking firm have the same suspicions we do. Although that's not grounds for termination on its own. He might have been an "at will" employee like a consultant. If that's the case the company wouldn't need much of a reason. We do know he missed at least one day without calling in and there might have been others.

I did look at the website he created for his own business. It's called Polished Marketing LLC. It is a website creation/hosting business that doesn't look like it was doing very well. After looking at the source code for the pages he created I found several obvious errors which lead me to believe he wasn't much of a computer programmer. Here is a link to his site.

Mouse over the pictures and read text that pops up in the box next to your mouse pointer. What’s displayed is called “alternate text” you are supposed to put the title or description of the image. If someone is using a browser set not to display images they see that text instead of the image. Sight impaired web users can have their computers read that text. He left the prompt telling him what was supposed to go there. Not a huge deal unless the page you’re creating is advertising website creation.

The site was created using software designed so amateurs can easily create a webpage. It’s not something a professional programmer would use.

 

[AlexisFresca]

I'm sure the owners of the trucking firm have the same suspicions we do. Although that's not grounds for termination on its own. He might have been an "at will" employee like a consultant. If that's the case the company wouldn't need much of a reason. We do know he missed at least one day without calling in and there might have been others.

I did look at the website he created for his own business. It's called Polished Marketing LLC. It is a website creation/hosting business that doesn't look like it was doing very well. After looking at the source code for the pages he created I found several obvious errors which lead me to believe he wasn't much of a computer programmer. Here is a link to his site.

Mouse over the pictures and read text that pops up in the box next to your mouse pointer. What’s displayed is called “alternate text” you are supposed to put the title or description of the image. If someone is using a browser set not to display images they see that text instead of the image. Sight impaired web users can have their computers read that text. He left the prompt telling him what was supposed to go there. Not a huge deal unless the page you’re creating is advertising website creation.

The site was created using software designed so amateurs can easily create a webpage. It’s not something a professional programmer would use.

Sort of like Microsoft FrontPage, but you don't have to purchase the software to set it up?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I wonder who Mooning girl was going into Josh's house?


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frVMEC9k1Bo[/ame]

 

[AlexisFresca]

I wonder who Mooning girl was going into Josh's house?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frVMEC9k1Bo

Therapy relief for Josh? Afterall, he is really hurting.

The neighbor who said she couldn't park? Doesn't she have a driveway? I can't imagine its legal to block driveways, media or not.

 

[Kimster]

This thread is getting very long! Should we start a new one and does someone else know how to do it? TIA!

Your request has been submitted to your friendly local moderator. :woohoo:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Therapy relief for Josh? Afterall, he is really hurting.

The neighbor who said she couldn't park? Doesn't she have a driveway? I can't imagine its legal to block driveways, media or not.

LOL LOL


Yeah you know you would think she would be happy to have the media there for susan.

 

[redkatrampant]

I did look at the website he created for his own business. It's called Polished Marketing LLC. It is a website creation/hosting business that doesn't look like it was doing very well. After looking at the source code for the pages he created I found several obvious errors which lead me to believe he wasn't much of a computer programmer. Here is a link to his site.

Mouse over the pictures and read text that pops up in the box next to your mouse pointer. What’s displayed is called “alternate text” you are supposed to put the title or description of the image. If someone is using a browser set not to display images they see that text instead of the image. Sight impaired web users can have their computers read that text. He left the prompt telling him what was supposed to go there. Not a huge deal unless the page you’re creating is advertising website creation.

The site was created using software designed so amateurs can easily create a webpage. It’s not something a professional programmer would use.

I have said this from the get go. He just seems to be a facade, no real person there.