VA- 6-YEAR-OLD is in custody after shooting teacher

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Children know how to use a chair to climb! They are better climbers than adults!
So even if the gun was kept on a shelf he knew where it was and knew how to remove the trigger lock and to aim, and shoot.

 

[Hexe]

Children know how to use a chair to climb! They are better climbers than adults!
So even if the gun was kept on a shelf he knew where it was and knew how to remove the trigger lock and to aim, and shoot.

Chairs, boxes, even the shelves themselves if sturdy enough.

 

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RSBM:

There is an old saying from somewhere..." Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining"..
I am sure, the schools parents and community are well aware of the difference. They want answers also.

I am shocked the parents' names have not been leaked by the parents of the school yet. I suppose if no one is held accountable and the child returns to school they will demand change.
If he has an "acute disability." perhaps this school isn't the best placement for him. It sounds like he may need specialized treatment/therapy and schooling one teacher alone cannot provide along with 20 others.

 

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Chairs, boxes, even the shelves themselves if sturdy enough.

I could climb anywhere! I was like a little monkey! Small children are smart, resourceful, and observant!

 

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Kayla Rolland's six year old killer apologizes and says it was an accident.

Unfortunately "Sorry" cannot bring back her from the dead.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

[Attorney Ellenson's] understanding is that the gun was in the mother’s closet on a top shelf that was well over six feet high. The weapon also had a trigger lock that requires a key, similar to a bike lock.

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Lawyer: 6-year-old who shot teacher has ‘acute disability’

The family’s statement was released by an attorney and did not elaborate further on where the 9mm handgun was kept.

www.witn.com

To me, this begs some questions: How did the 6-year-old know where to find it? Really, let's think about this.

And how did he know how to remove the trigger lock? And how did he actually manage to do so?

Who noticed the gun was missing, and how did they notice, in order to call the school that morning?

It's not adding up for me at all.
MOO/JMO.

 

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As a teacher myself…. What I want to know is how this child’s behavior has been previously, including pre k and k? And how were those concerns addressed if teachers reported them? Folks better buckle up if they think this is going to get better any time soon. MOO

My fear if left unaddressed, and the child is put right back into the public school system without any specialized treatment/therapy and schooling for children with disabilities and anger mgt issues it'll happen again.
Next time someone will die, then progress onto a mass school shooting in his preteen years.
What is to stop this from happening?
The parents? The police? One teacher who is already overwhelmed and underpaid?
Nikolas Cruz had a history of being problematic and needed special education and they just put him back into the public school system instead. Not sure why either? Lack of funding?

 

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[Attorney Ellenson's] understanding is that the gun was in the mother’s closet on a top shelf that was well over six feet high. The weapon also had a trigger lock that requires a key, similar to a bike lock.

Quote from:

Lawyer: 6-year-old who shot teacher has ‘acute disability’

The family’s statement was released by an attorney and did not elaborate further on where the 9mm handgun was kept.

www.witn.com

To me, this begs some questions: How did the 6-year-old know where to find it? Really, let's think about this.

And how did he know how to remove the trigger lock? And how did he actually manage to do so?

Who noticed the gun was missing, and how did they notice, in order to call the school that morning?

It's not adding up for me at all.
MOO/JMO.

If it did indeed need a key how did the boy find the key?
Do you think he was groomed or shown how to shoot and was egged on to shoot the teacher? or?

 

[shotgun09]

If it did indeed need a key how did the boy find the key?

RSBM

IMO, if a key was needed, the child knew, had seen and witnessed how to operate the lock, and where to obtain the key. Again..."Children learn what they live"...

 

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I can’t help but wonder and worry what the future holds for this little boy.

I expect unless he receives treatment, not a bright one and those around him will suffer.

 

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everyone is entitled to their opinion
do I believe children can be born as potential psychopath without any effect from anyone else ? yes
we saw cases that proves this.. monsters coming from loving homes
is it possible that if those kids received some kind of help or therapy or were held in institutions ,,that would turned the outcome around ? maybe but we will never know cause such things are still not dealt with or taken seriously
I keep referencing the mother of an adult killer that I ve seen on some crime show.. the woman knew her child was dangerous from a very early age..he tried to kill siblings or show other signs of a bidding killer.. no one listened to her until years later he committed his first murder
blaming everything on the parents is def the easy way out...which you makes everyone shuts the bigger picture and so nothing changes

Agreed. I think in the past the state would remove the violent child and be he'd in a State-funded Institution. not sure those options exist anymore.
Some kids are born psychopaths, I agree.

 

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id say figuring out how to deal with child killers are way more important than punishing the parent ...who can find a gun.. can fin a knife or a rock or other ways
is this a one time crime.. how did they deal with the other 6 yearl old who killed another child..are those around him know of his history
questions

The case where a six-year-old boy killed his classmate, Katla Rolland? Nothing happened to the boy responsible, he was sent to a private school and continued having a troubled life. His Uncle went to jail for a year.

Newport News: What happens to a six-year-old who shoots someone?

US law prohibits charging a six-year-old as an adult and the minimum age for a juvenile prison is 11.

www.bbc.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/the-legal-system-has-never-had-an-answer-for-violent-kids/2023/01/14/423d20e2-940e-11ed-90f8-53661ac5d9b9_story.html

 

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Odd that apparently the child was NOT carrying the gun in the backpack at the search. Did he know not too?

So where did he hide the gun then? He is clever enough to steak and unlock the gun, sneak it to school, and evade the backpack check.

 

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[Attorney Ellenson's] understanding is that the gun was in the mother’s closet on a top shelf that was well over six feet high. The weapon also had a trigger lock that requires a key, similar to a bike lock.

Quote from:

Lawyer: 6-year-old who shot teacher has ‘acute disability’

The family’s statement was released by an attorney and did not elaborate further on where the 9mm handgun was kept.

www.witn.com

To me, this begs some questions: How did the 6-year-old know where to find it? Really, let's think about this.

And how did he know how to remove the trigger lock? And how did he actually manage to do so?

Who noticed the gun was missing, and how did they notice, in order to call the school that morning?

It's not adding up for me at all.
MOO/JMO.

I would also question why the ammunition was not stored securely somewhere different, and/or it was kept loaded.

When I was a child, in a house with guns, the rifles were in a locked wardrobe, and the breech blocks and ammunition were in a locked safe. Without both keys and both the skill and the knowledge of how to assemble and load the guns, they were completely inert.

I understand handguns are different, but not so different that having the ammunition somewhere different wouldn't render the gun so much dead metal.

 

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The gun should never have been in the house for a child to access. If I lived in a country where kids bags are searched for weapons I’d have my kids out of school. It is not normal. It should not happen. Something is very very wrong that this keeps happening and nothing changes.

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No 6-year-old should want to shoot someone in the first place this is America and here we are now what?

 

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We will likely run out of teachers before we run out of guns.

I admire anyone who "wants" to teach in our public schools.

Online schools maybe the solution. Safer for the teachers!

 

[shotgun09]

Here is where we are. A young twenty something teacher almost lost her life, in a classroom full of six year olds.. due to a six year old shooting his mother's gun at her.
The school board has stepped up and admitted to failing to find the gun in a backpack which was searched. LE has not made any recent facts of their 'investigation' known. And the boy's family has obtained a lawyer, who is publicly speaking on their behalf. The information obtained from the attorney is questionable, IMO.

In the meantime, an ENTIRE school remains shut down.
These poor children! They were shut out and locked down due to Covid for how many months? Finally they were able to return to class, and now this? If I was a parent there......grrrrr

 

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This incident comes just days after a 6-year-old boy in Newport News, VA shot his teacher, 25-year-old Abigail Zwerner, with a handgun.

Jawdropping Footage from On Patrol: Live Shows a Toddler Waving a Loaded Gun and Pulling the Trigger

Shocking video seen during Saturday night's edition of On Patrol: Live showed a toddler waving a loaded handgun and pulling the trigger.

www.mediaite.com

Toddler points HANDGUN at himself and pulls trigger, father arrested

A diaper-clad boy was seen playing with a loaded gun in an apartment hallway outside of Indianapolis, Indiana. The boy was unharmed, and his father was arrested.

www.dailymail.co.uk

We have a problem in America.

 

[amaraya]

Online schools maybe the solution. Safer for the teachers!

i think we have seen from covid how ineffective that is as a long term solution to teaching.

As a teacher, I would never want that.

 

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Here is where we are. A young twenty something teacher almost lost her life, in a classroom full of six year olds.. due to a six year old shooting his mother's gun at her.
The school board has stepped up and admitted to failing to find the gun in a backpack which was searched. LE has not made any recent facts of their 'investigation' known. And the boy's family has obtained a lawyer, who is publicly speaking on their behalf. The information obtained from the attorney is questionable, IMO.

In the meantime, an ENTIRE school remains shut down.
These poor children! They were shut out and locked down due to Covid for how many months? Finally they were able to return to class, and now this? If I was a parent there......grrrrr

The parents have more power than they realize they should DEMAND changes for the safety of their children and of course their teachers. The troubled child should NOT under any circumstances be allowed to return as if nothing happened.
Ut normalizes violent behavior and makes it acceptable behavior.