VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #3

[Hiandmighty]

Bad things do happen sometimes on cruises, recent news..

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ts-beating-raping-passenger-article-1.1959024

"Ex-cruise ship worker admits to beating and raping passenger on Valentine’s Day
Ketut Pujayasa, an Indonesian national, could get life in prison after pleading guilty in federal court to brutal Valentine’s Day attack on 31-year-old female passenger aboard Holland America cruise."

Absolutely bad things can happen on cruise ships. The crew does not get background checks at any point in their employment. One crew on a ship (can't remember details) beat and raped a woman so severely in her cabin that neighbors had to bang on her door and he escaped on a balcony. The ship's ER physician said he had never seen such a bloody attack before.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I wonder if the two Canadian women means David Carmichael, the Canadian scuba diver who says he saw Amy on a beach in Curaçao in August of 1998 but didn't report it until December 1998 after he saw America's Most Wanted?

I don't know, 4 months is a lot of time for incredible recall. Think about a stranger you noticed in passing 4 months ago who you didn't even speak with.... Did your stranger have tattoos? What was their color eyes?

Ill keep an open mind about it, but I can't remember what I did and who I made eye contact with 4 months ago.

 

[Hiandmighty]

http://drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2926/?id=2926&slide=2&showID=&preview=&versionID=

Wait, I have seen two dates attributed to the date David Carmichael reported recalling seeing Amy on the beach. This one says it was the following YEAR when he saw AMW:

"In August of 1998, a friend, Brian, and I were scuba diving on the island of Curaçao," David says. "I noticed three people walking along the beach. One of them was a young girl, and she was flanked by two fellows. She had two tattoos. One of them was of a gecko, the other was of a Tasmanian Devil. The girl walked towards me. She started to stare at me. Just as she was about to say something, the fellow motioned her away. In May of 1999, I saw the segment on Unsolved Mysteries. The minute I saw her picture and saw her face, I realized that was the girl on the beach."

This case is very frustrating in terms of trying to find reliable information.

 

[Hiandmighty]

See, this is also frustrating: the family seems to have changed details as time went on. I don't call them out on this; I think it is probably part of the natural process of trying to make the story fit the abduction time frame.

http://www.amybradley.net/april1798letterpresident.htm

In a letter to President Bill Clinton dated April 17, 1998, Ron Bradley states:
"When we awoke at 6:15 a.m., she was gone along with her cigarettes and lighter. At that time we were approaching the island of Curacao."

Approaching the island... Not docked at the island. This fits with the 10 miles offshore facts.

http://www.amybradley.net/june1198hopewellnews.htm

On June 11, 1998 her aunt wrote: " My niece, Amy Bradley, disappeared from the cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas as it was in the process of docking on the island of Curacao on March 24, 1998."

You can't be approaching if you are in the process of docking and you can't be in the process of docking if you are approaching.



http://www.amybradley.net/NYT11_16_98.htm
"Ron Bradley said he awoke about 6 a.m. and saw that Amy was not in the room or on the balcony. He went to search for her, and at about 7 a.m., he said, he ran into the ship's security chief, Lou Costello, and alerted him. He then returned to the cabin and woke his wife.

By that time, the ship was docking in Curacao. The Bradleys said they pleaded with ship's officers not to lower the gangway for disembarkation until their daughter was found, but the gangway was lowered."

So this apparently shows the ship wasn't docking until around 7 a.m.


We can infer she was no longer on the balcony while the ship was offshore, about ten miles. The ship was docking while her family was actively searching the ship for her.

To me, this is important to keep in mind. She was no longer on the balcony while the ship was offshore. Now, she could have been raped/murdered and smuggled off the ship after the ship docked (I'm not a fan of this theory, if anything, if she was killed, I believe she was tossed overboard)...

It makes it appear that Amy, as a trained lifeguard, would be able to swim to shore IF the ship was in docking procedures if/when she "fell off the balcony." It's an entirely different story to know the ship was about 10 miles offshore when she was discovered to be no longer on the balcony.


"Royal Caribbean's spokeswoman, Lynn Martenstein, would say only that the company had cooperated with investigators and did not believe foul play was involved. But an internal Royal Caribbean report provided to The New York Times by the Bradleys said that Bradley did not notify Costello of the disappearance until 7:35 a.m., by which time the ship had docked and passengers were going off for a day of shore excursions. It also said a cabin-by-cabin search was conducted almost immediately."

The passengers were leaving the ship by 7:35 a.m.

 

[neesaki]

http://unsolved.com/archives/amy-bradley

"She said she hadn't been feeling too well because of the motion of the boat since we left Aruba that evening. So she said she was gonna just to stay out there and get some fresh air."

(Amy's family speaking of Amy on the balcony of the morning of 24 March 1998.)


http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,628138,00.html

"the FBI found marks on the ship's balcony railing consistent with someone having sat on it"

http://www.cruisejunkie.com/Senate2013.pdf

"Data also indicates there is sufficient number of cases of persons going overboard when they are intoxicated. In two known cases the person was bending over the railing while throwing-up over the side of the ship. This is further reason for raising railing height, but also reinforces the need for stringent rules for the responsible service of alcohol; not just training, but practice."


It appears Amy was intoxicated and nauseated/sea sick from the motion of the boat (which indicates seas were a little rough). FBI found evidence someone sat on the balcony. There are documented cases of people going overboard while throwing up from the balcony railing.

"It appears" ? Have you forgotten about the witnesses who saw her later, with Yellow ?

 

[Hiandmighty]

Yes, I am aware that Amy's family has said there were two witnesses who say they saw her that morning. But Amy was seasick, had been out until 4:30 a.m. and was last seen sleeping on the balcony. I personally don't believe she went up 45 mins after she got home, drunk and seasick, to get coffee up on deck with a man.

 

[trenchmouth]

Yes, I am aware that Amy's family has said there were two witnesses who say they saw her that morning. But Amy was seasick, had been out until 4:30 a.m. and was last seen sleeping on the balcony. I personally don't believe she went up 45 mins after she got home, drunk and seasick, to get coffee up on deck with a man.

Multiple witnesses confirm the sighting.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Multiple witnesses confirm the sighting.

I thank you in advance for the links you will put up supporting this statement.

 

[neesaki]

Yes, I am aware that Amy's family has said there were two witnesses who say they saw her that morning. But Amy was seasick, had been out until 4:30 a.m. and was last seen sleeping on the balcony. I personally don't believe she went up 45 mins after she got home, drunk and seasick, to get coffee up on deck with a man.

Ok, please provide facts to back up your "personal" beliefs. TIA

 

[neesaki]

What ? I thought it had been posted here that the sketch artist was Wesley Neville ? Ok, Now I'm totally confused

I want to correct my post here, the sketch artist was from the FBI. WN, was a forensic artist that confirmed the photos are Amy. Sorry for my error and the confusion. :/

 

[neesaki]

I thank you in advance for the links you will put up supporting this statement.

If you're interested, this information with links has already been posted previously. I don't have time myself to go back and find it, otherwise I'd be more than happy to. :wave:

 

[trenchmouth]

If you're interested, this information with links has already been posted previously. I don't have time myself to go back and find it, otherwise I'd be more than happy to. :wave:

I don't know if it is a fact, however it has been widely reported and discussed by VI

I thank you in advance for the links you will put up supporting this statement.

 

[Salem]

Guys - don't bicker. Explore the possibilities, but don't fight about it.

If you don't believe a theory, that's fine. Scroll past those posts and only engage in the theories and/or discussion you have something constructive to say about. Let others explore the things they wish to explore.

Salem

 

[Hiandmighty]

I'm going to quote these 2 posts here together because we do want original links when they can be found.

Salem

Thank you for clarifying about original links.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Well, this is interesting. I'm trying to get more links about this court dismissal: (bolded emphasis mine)

Appellate Court Affirms Trial Court's Dismissal Of Action Based On Plaintiffs' Commission Of A Fraud Upon The Court

Bradley v. Royal Caribbean Cruises, Ltd., 2002 Fla. App. LEXIS 3550 (March 20, 2002)

Plaintiffs filed two different suits against defendant cruise line in connection with the disappearance of their 23-year-old daughter, last seen aboard RHAPSODY OF THE SEAS during a trip between Puerto Rico and Curacao in 1998. One lawsuit alleged negligence by defendant in its handling of the girl's disappearance; the other lawsuit was for wrongful death (even though no evidence ever came to light that the daughter was dead). Both lawsuits were dismissed in October 2000 when the trial judge found the plaintiffs had "perpetrated a fraud on the court" by giving false answers to the defense in depositions. Specifically, the court concluded the Bradleys had intentionally concealed the existence of over 100 witnesses who reported seeing Amy living freely and under no duress at various times after her disappearance. During discovery the Bradleys had identified only three witnesses, all of whom believed they saw someone "looking like Amy" who might have been under possible duress.

The Bradleys appealed the dismissal and Florida's 3rd District Court of Appeal affirmed the lower court's ruling. While Florida's appellate court often takes several months to issue a ruling, the 3rd District issued its order affirming the dismissal less than one week after oral argument. Royal Caribbean was represented by Jeffrey Maltzman and Darren Friedman of KRM's Miami office and Miami appellate attorney Lauri Ross

http://www.kayerose.com/articles/articles40.html


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"But Royal Caribbean did refer us to a court order from 2000, when a lawsuit the family had filed against the cruise line was thrown out. The order says the Bradleys committed fraud against the court by not disclosing more than 100 reports they'd gotten of people seeing their daughter, in Curacao, after her disappearance.

Many of those witnesses, according to the court order, never mentioned Amy being under any duress.Ron Bradley denies committing fraud. Court documents indicate the Bradleys held back that information out of concern that revealing it could endanger their daughter. The judge didn't accept that explanation."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/wbr.01.html

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And same CNN link...we are back to the curious "docked" at dawn

"TODD: Ron Bradley last saw his then 23-year-old daughter at dawn on March 24th, 1998, lying on a lounge chair on the balcony of the family's room on a Royal Caribbean cruise ship. The vessel had either just docked or was about to dock in Curacao."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/wbr.01.html



Giving false answers during a deposition is perjury, is it not? So the Bradleys committed perjury?

http://law.uark.edu/documents/Bailey_21_Things_(Pretrial_Practice).pdf

"Giving a false answer to a question would be perjury and possibly subject you to prosecution and fine or even jail. A false answer would also be detrimental to the law suit and give the other lawyer an opportunity to discredit your entire testimony."

 

[Hiandmighty]

http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-...law-firm-seeks-fine-in--missing-person--case/

January 19, 2001
Cruise line's law firm seeks fine in 'missing person' case
NEW YORK -- Lawyers for Royal Caribbean International asked a Miami-Dade (Fla.) circuit judge to impose a $171,000 fine on attorneys representing a Virginia family who said their daughter disappeared while on a Caribbean cruise in March 1998.
The request came almost three months after a Florida judge threw out two lawsuits filed against Royal Caribbean by Ronald and Ivy Bradley, the parents of Amy Bradley. The Bradleys claimed their daughter had been "abducted, hidden and forcibly removed" from Rhapsody of the Seas in Puerto Rico and was being kept against her will in Curacao.

Judge Stuart Simons ruled the Bradleys perpetrated "a fraud on the court" by concealing evidence that witnesses had seen their daughter living freely in Curacao after the disappearance. He reserved ruling on sanctions against either the Bradleys or Hall David & Joseph, the firm that represented them.

Royal Caribbean's attorneys, Kaye Rose & Maltzman of Miami, said its lawyers spent 1,324 hours working on the case.

 

[trenchmouth]

RC has deep pockets and good lawyers who will protect their brand at any expense

 

[Hiandmighty]

Well, the Bradleys sure helped RCI out by testifying false information.

I don't see how anyone can pin a conscious choice by the Bradleys to testify under oath and give untrue information on RCI.

 

[trenchmouth]

Any good lawyer / crooked lawyer would drum up supposed people that witnessed her in Curacao moving freely about to shed doubt so RC is not held accountable

 

[88keys]

Ok, please provide facts to back up your "personal" beliefs. TIA

Highandmighty has provided a lot of facts in this case to back up what she believes. Pretty much everything she has posted has been factual info. But she and everyone else here is entitled to their own beliefs.

[modsnip]

I would still like to know if the morning sighting with Yellow was ever verified by LE or even the media. The only place I have ever heard of it is here, from the VI.