VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[otto]

I'm confused here. I have no idea when this picture was taken and I do not take cruises so there's that. But I am a prolific shutterbug and I have taken literal thousands of photos pre internet, pre digital cameras and I have digitized many, many of my pre internet era photos. Apologies if I am missing a point here, but I'm just not seeing it. Old hardcopies of photos are digitized and used on the internet widely.

It's not an old photo. It's a widely available photo used to promote cruises today. It is unrelated to 1998, unrelated to Amy.

 

[TizerisT]

illegal drugs on the cruise ship that staff used to inject passengers

These things are not injected. That would involve being held down forcefully. These things are done by a drop of liquid into the victims drink mostly. Much easier.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I

For starters, I am the person who has been consistently providing links.

Elsewhere in this discussion, I have provided links to US State Department reports on human trafficking in Curaçao, and to the details of emigration from Venezuela to Curaçao and to Spain. I have also provided links on patterns of human trafficking in Canada, including corridors of trafficking and a profile of the vulnerability of indigenous people. I have also been providing accurate demographic statistics on the Caribbean, pointing out that white people are not nearly as uncommon in the area as proponents of the sex trafficking suggestion say. I have provided links to profiles of what human traffickers look for. And so on.

I have been providing actual information, from sources that are not my own. If you want to take issue with my sources, please, provide other ones. I look forward to learning.

I have on

Can we please step back to the beginning? I'm lost.

How does Amy first meet sex traffickers?

In the Netflix documentary the suspicions are raised around Yellow. You will have to watch it to understand the many reasons why. His very own daughter suspects him of this as her mother(Yellow's wife) found a suitcase full of white female photographs. There are also other female passengers that give their accounts of him.

 

[otto]

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Overview of what the possibilities are (imo)

Many possibilities for what happened if Amy left her room - absolutely no explanation for why she left.

She had not yet been to bed, had not slept. She was not drunk. She did not feel well. Why would she leave the room?

 

[Quill]

It's not an old photo. It's a widely available photo used to promote cruises today. It is unrelated to 1998, unrelated to Amy.

That is understood. My question pertained to why question pre-internet photo being available on the internet? I was understanding you to say that because the photo was found on the internet it couldn't be from 1998. Did I misunderstand the point?

*I do realize that the photo is actually a current photo from a cruise website.

 

[Chypre]

She had been out partying all night long and hadn't slept in 36 hours. Why would she suddenly think that she has cabin fever and need to wander around a ship?

Who has cabin fever after 2 days on a cruise ship?

She was on the balcony, there was a noise, then she was gone.

I think people agree or disagree with whether they can relate to the theory. Some people can't understand why someone would be awake at certain time, etc.
It seems easier to believe for some that she committed suicide rather than just step outside the room.

 

[Chypre]

Many possibilities for what happened if Amy left her room - absolutely no explanation for why she left.

She had not yet been to bed, had not slept. She was not drunk. She did not feel well. Why would she leave the room?

With respect, I gather you did not sneak out of your house growing up. There were absolutely no good reasons why. But walking out of a doorway is completely within the realm of possibility.

 

[osu]

dbm

 

[lohrtabitha]

Many possibilities for what happened if Amy left her room - absolutely no explanation for why she left.

She had not yet been to bed, had not slept. She was not drunk. She did not feel well. Why would she leave the room?

According to the science and the fact she consumed 7 beers, she was drunk. BAC chart

https://angelaolsonlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/08_BAC_Chart.pdf

 

[TizerisT]

Many possibilities for what happened if Amy left her room - absolutely no explanation for why she left.

She had not yet been to bed, had not slept. She was not drunk. She did not feel well. Why would she leave the room?

Could be as simple as grabbing a snack or a coffee. She may have grabbed 2 hours sleep

 

[otto]

In the Netflix documentary the suspicions are raised around Yellow. You will have to watch it to understand the many reasons why. His very own daughter suspects him of this as her mother(Yellow's wife) found a suitcase full of white female photographs. There are also other female passengers that give their accounts of him.

I have watched the Netflix documentary. The married man who works for the cruise as a musician is not suspicious. Why would Amy leave her room at 6 AM to meet him? He's as "suspicious" as "two black women dressed in blue" and a "staring Arab".

No one saw the suitcase filled with photos of Caucasian women.

Why did his daughter phone her father and record the conversation on camera during Netflix filming? What was that about?

Who did Netflix pay during production of the documentary?

 

[lohrtabitha]

Why would she leave her room at 6 AM to get on elevator with a member of the band?

Easy, to watch a sunrise.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I had thought I had made it clear that I was pointing to it as a general knowledge thing, with links. If you do not want to believe that there are lots of white people in the Caribbean, a well-sourced page that looks in some detail at the more than ten million white people who love in Venezuela alone should be enough. (Right?)

I apologize for not being sufficiently clear with my goals there.

Wikipedia should never be used on this or any forum that involves solving cases about human lives.

 

[otto]

That is understood. My question pertained to why question pre-internet photo being available on the internet? I was understanding you to say that because the photo was found on the internet it couldn't be from 1998. Did I misunderstand the point?

*I do realize that the photo is actually a current photo from a cruise website.

Right. In 1998, cameras used film. A photo from 27 years ago will look like an old photo, not like a crisp modern digital image. Even when a photo is digitized, it still looks like an old photo - unless it is altered. Then it's not a real photo anymore.

The more important question is: Why is the Brad Bradley social media account posting current photos of a cruise ship balcony and making claims about Amy's disappearance 27 years ago?

 

[TizerisT]

I have watched the Netflix documentary. The married man who works for the cruise as a musician is not suspicious. Why would Amy leave her room at 6 AM to meet him? He's as "suspicious" as "two black women dressed in blue" and a "staring Arab".

Then why is there a memo that states 'avoid a guy named yellow' from before Amy' case?

No one saw the suitcase filled with photos of Caucasian women.

Well it was his wife who found it, and this led to a rift. So I'll have to assume she saw it. Unless she's lying to her daughter?

 

[lohrtabitha]

Why would she leave her room at 6 AM to meet with a sex-trafficker? Why did she want to meet with him?

She was meeting the guy she was grinding with on the dancefloor. Watch the documentary.

 

[otto]

With respect, I gather you did not sneak out of your house growing up. There were absolutely no good reasons why. But walking out of a doorway is completely within the realm of possibility.

Amy wasn't a child sneaking out of the room in the middle of the night.

She was an adult who owned a car, a dog, and who lived independently. She had been partying for 10 hours. She was not drunk. She did not feel well. She had not been to bed.

Why would she leave the room? There's no reason.

The theory seems to be that Amy left her room and poof, she was a prostitute. There's no linking information.

 

[Quill]

I have watched the Netflix documentary. The married man who works for the cruise as a musician is not suspicious. Why would Amy leave her room at 6 AM to meet him? He's as "suspicious" as "two black women dressed in blue" and a "staring Arab".

No one saw the suitcase filled with photos of Caucasian women.

Why did his daughter phone her father and record the conversation on camera during Netflix filming? What was that about?

Who did Netflix pay during production of the documentary?

The married man who worked for the cruise had previous accusations for inappropriate behavior with women guests on the cruise ships. That is a fact.

His wife saw the suitcase with photos of women, according to the daughter.

She said on the program that she needs answers. There is more to that story that we do not know, apparently. JMO

We could ask that question about every documentary we watch, but only they and Netflix know.I don't like the implication here.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Stereotypically, it is vulnerable people who get trafficked. Amy did not fit into this category of being vulnerable. She was college educated, from a financially secure family, and in the presence of her parents and brother, in a controlled environment (the cruise ship has security) when she went missing.

Just because Amy may not have fit the type, that doesn't mean it could not have happened. That is a bandwagon fallacy.

 

[GreyPhantom]

Then why is there a memo that states 'avoid a guy named yellow' from before Amy' case?

Well it was his wife who found it, and this led to a rift. So I'll have to assume she saw it. Unless she's lying to her daughter?

If was on a Royal Caribbean message board post to be specific.