VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[Professor Moriarty]

am i reading this correctly that your use of the present tense ("spends") means at the time of the documentary they were still seeing the Barbados IP visiting the site? as opposed to this information being years old?

Yes. Someone in Barbados spends time viewing the site, especially items relating to the parents, parents' birthdays etc This was the case when the documentary was made.

 

[earthgurl]

am i reading this correctly that your use of the present tense ("spends") means at the time of the documentary they were still seeing the Barbados IP visiting the site? as opposed to this information being years old?

I just got done watching the documentary and there was a pattern with the IP addresses viewing the site. The same IP from Barbados would spend significant amounts of time viewing the pages that had updated photos of her family and the dates were on holidays like Thanksgiving as well as on birthdays (unsure if her birthday or family members). That alone leads me to believe that it is possibly her viewing the page as traffickers wouldn't have a reason to consistently check the site on dates that would have been sentimental to Amy.

Edit: I forgot to add that the list of website IP info they showed looked like the dates were from 2022.

 

[avob00]

So the FBI are confident that photo is Amy which means she was alive 7 years after she vanished. At least this show is giving new information for once and it’s just a rehash.


My heart breaks for her elderly parents who should be enjoying retirement and though no fault of their own are stuck In hell. Also Brad not willing to have children due to watching the pain and suffering his parents went though over Amy. So much unnecessary heartache for all involved.

The photo was first discovered in 2002 but sent to the Bradley’s in 2005 (there was a source here, can’t find it) . But we don’t know when it was exactly taken. It could be older than 2002.

 

[Sleuthster]

Somewhere in these threads for Amy, probably in past several months I discussed. The hollywood director guy that contacted me through my website. He wanted me to do some international sleuthing and something about going to curacao. I donno, not real clear when he mentioned I could have book rights and no compensation and Im not an international spy, more of a domestic internet sleuth with public records I said no. He said Id meet the family and the fbi would be working with me. Didnt really take it seriously. I've been contacted by others regarding different cases, they turned out to be fake. Watching the documentary and comments on here about children made me think about something he said, the the fbi told him Amy has 2 children and I believe he said daughters. now I'm wondering it that is true.

 

[Danaya]

I know I argued against the trafficking theory in previous posts, but I now admit that I was wrong.

I was looking at the trafficking angle through a Canadian lens; however, Curacao isn't Canada. Things there move much differently.

I think it's entirely plausible and perhaps even likely, that Amy left the ship voluntarily but was brought into something nefarious against her will. I think drugs played a part, like it does in many trafficking scenarios. IMO Amy was forced to take drugs, to further disorient her, and help her captors ensure some sort of compliance.

According to the new documentary out on Netflix right now, the FBI believes that the woman in the photo was Amy. All of the eye-witnesses all sounded incredibly credible. Then, with the local police chief saying how her body would've been found in those waters... it just all lines up now for me.

So, I stand corrected. I now believe she was taken against her will and forced into the sex industry.

 

[Mica]

The photo was first discovered in 2002 but sent to the Bradley’s in 2005 (there was a source here, can’t find it) . But we don’t know when it was exactly taken. It could be older than 2002.

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[lebvidox]

I’m blown away by the new documentary. I had concluded she’d fallen overboard but I’m now convinced she was trafficked.

Was shocked to see that the FBI confirmed the photo of “Jas” is Amy Lynn Bradley.

The FBI never confirmed the photo of "Jas" is Amy.

 

[avob00]

Yes those supposed pics of Amy were first discovered in 2002 on the website. Discussed in these threads below that I can’t quote.

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[lebvidox]

I know I argued against the trafficking theory in previous posts, but I now admit that I was wrong.

I was looking at the trafficking angle through a Canadian lens; however, Curacao isn't Canada. Things there move much differently.

I think it's entirely plausible and perhaps even likely, that Amy left the ship voluntarily but was brought into something nefarious against her will. I think drugs played a part, like it does in many trafficking scenarios. IMO Amy was forced to take drugs, to further disorient her, and help her captors ensure some sort of compliance.

According to the new documentary out on Netflix right now, the FBI believes that the woman in the photo was Amy. All of the eye-witnesses all sounded incredibly credible. Then, with the local police chief saying how her body would've been found in those waters... it just all lines up now for me.

So, I stand corrected. I now believe she was taken against her will and forced into the sex industry.

I see it as way more plausible if this was a voluntary disappearance and she was never held against her will anywhere. Otherwise she'd be locked away in a basement somewhere like many a young woman. She wouldn't be taking walks on a beach or going shopping or accessing the internet freely or hoping from island to island. Especially a victim whose case became high-profile and documentaries are made about it. Not in Canada, not in Curacao, nowhere in the world I could see something like this happening.

 

[Greatergood8]

I just finished the documentary. I thought it was very well made and heart breaking.

Is possible she could have kids and was alive for sometime after disappearing. I hope if she is still alive that she can come forward.

I remember FindAmy (is that the man who set up the website?) said all those years ago that there was several pieces of information that could not be discussed for fear of Amy’s safety. I wonder why it hasn’t been included as it could lead to people coming forward.

The IP’s from Barbados!!! Chilling!! Could definitely be her or someone involved who knows where she was/is viewing those posts for so many minutes.

I agree. I just finished watching it it is so incredibly sad.
The “cruise director guy” I cannot remember his name. He’s loves the older ladies he had said along with dancing with them. Do you remeber him??
He was so incredibly cold, which came across very strange to me. Personally, something seemed very strange about him.

 

[GXP Sleuther]

I just finished the documentary. Beyond sad-- and I stand by everything I've ever posted on WS. It was very well done.

 

[GXP Sleuther]

Sadly I think it was likely someone from the human trafficking syndicate to scout how much her family and law enforcement knew.

Sadly, I do not. I honestly think this whole case was due to Amy's sexuality and her parents distaste of it and here is why..​

• Her father wrote a 3 page letter on why he was angry about her coming out.​
• Her friends mentioning the family was upset with her about her sexuality and she was scared to death to tell them.​
• Amy reconciling with her ex the day before the cruise set off (the woman who got the message in a bottle before the cruise.)​
• The Jas photos are of Amy, but we don't know if they were taken before the cruise and copied/scanned to make it look like she is alive if someone murdered her.​

See the photos with 30 years of tech. advancement. It's 100% Amy. I just don't think it's Amy post cruise. JMO.

 

[GXP Sleuther]

So the FBI are confident that photo is Amy which means she was alive 7 years after she vanished. At least this show is giving new information for once and it’s just a rehash.


My heart breaks for her elderly parents who should be enjoying retirement and though no fault of their own are stuck In hell. Also Brad not willing to have children due to watching the pain and suffering his parents went though over Amy. So much unnecessary heartache for all involved.

Agent Sheridan (FBI) said in a 2018 Longwood Podcast that the problem with the photos is that things in photos can be manipulated. The bed background and location of those photos are the key to solving this case.

If the FBI can find out where the 'Jas' photos were taken (I believe in VA, USA) the case will finally be closed. All other AAV photos had hotel/photo drop backgrounds. "Jas" was the only photo that includes that bedframe and background. Not one single other photo on that AAV website is even similar.

 

[Quill]

The FBI never confirmed the photo of "Jas" is Amy.

Did you watch the documentary? The investigator did state that the FBI did confirm that they believe it is Amy in the photos.

 

[Danaya]

The FBI never confirmed the photo of "Jas" is Amy.

They confirmed in the documentary. They said their FBI analysis which used facial measurements to identify key features determined the woman in the photo was Amy.

Am I mistaken? I watched it today and that's what stood out to me most. One of the first FBI agents on the scene was interviewed. That's specifically what she said.

 

[Quill]

Sadly, I do not. I honestly think this whole case was due to Amy's sexuality and her parents distaste of it and here is why..​

• Her father wrote a 3 page letter on why he was angry about her coming out.​
• Her friends mentioning the family was upset with her about her sexuality and she was scared to death to tell them.​
• Amy reconciling with her ex the day before the cruise set off (the woman who got the message in a bottle before the cruise.)​
• The Jas photos are of Amy, but we don't know if they were taken before the cruise and copied/scanned to make it look like she is alive if someone murdered her.​

Friends said they had never seen a family as close as Amy's and that they loved each other very, very much. I believe that a foundation like that would have kept Amy from running and staying away this long. I believe that she would have fought for that and her girlfriend.

 

[Jezel]

Yeah, I gotta say I respectfully disagree, GXP. I just think there's too much circumstantial evidence to the contrary.

It's a huge leap to go from conservative parents in the 90s being upset that their daughter is gay to actually killing her - not common in American culture. In fact, does anyone remember any case like that?

The FBI likely did interviews with the parents' contacts and looked at their emails and whatever else was available back then to rule that idea out.

With all the credible witness sightings and the IP pings, I now think there's a very good chance that Amy is still alive.

 

[lebvidox]

Did you watch the documentary? The investigator did state that the FBI did confirm that they believe it is Amy in the photos.

I haven't yet. But that's just what I thought: an investigator relaying what some FBI contact said at some point: "they confirm that they believe it is Amy" is different from "they confirmed it is Amy".

 

[lebvidox]

Yeah, I gotta say I respectfully disagree, GXP. I just think there's too much circumstantial evidence to the contrary.

It's a huge leap to go from conservative parents in the 90s being upset that their daughter is gay to actually killing her - not common in American culture. In fact, does anyone remember any case like that?

The FBI likely did interviews with the parents' contacts and looked at their emails and whatever else was available back then to rule that idea out.

With all the credible witness sightings and the IP pings, I now think there's a very good chance that Amy is still alive.

I personally believe the father was IMMEDIATELY scared Amy fell overboard when something made him wake up that morning. His frantic search around the ship make no sense to me otherwise.

 

[Danaya]

I see it as way more plausible if this was a voluntary disappearance and she was never held against her will anywhere. Otherwise she'd be locked away in a basement somewhere like many a young woman. She wouldn't be taking walks on a beach or going shopping or accessing the internet freely or hoping from island to island. Especially a victim whose case became high-profile and documentaries are made about it. Not in Canada, not in Curacao, nowhere in the world I could see something like this happening.

You misunderstood what I meant, so let me clarify. Being held against one's will doesn't mean they're chained to a pole in a basement.

It could mean that through the use of intimidation tactics and fear, victims of sex trafficking often do not attempt to leave their captors/handlers/pimps/etc. Amy's Dad mentioned Stockholm syndrome.

Another possibility is Amy left the ship willingly, in search of drugs, as was mentioned in the documentary. She hadn't slept much — if at all — after getting home from the disco party.

If she was still tipsy, or if Amy had mixed alcohol with drugs, she would have likely felt uninhibited and more apt to take chances. She may have made a risky decision that led to her being taken.

It was the 90s, we didn't have cellphones to instantaneously call someone to tell them we're in trouble. Amy would've had to have gotten herself to a payphone, if they had those in Curacao, or asked someone to use their landline.

Shame, trauma, and a belief that they will be killed or their family will be is something universal many survivors have said is what stopped them. That's what I meant, in terms of being held against her will.