VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[Sarahlou]

I watched the documentary and still think she just went overboard. I don't think it was accidental.

That cruise director was cold as ice!

 

[robbsilv33]

"In 2010, a jawbone washed ashore in Aruba. It was initially thought to be the jawbone of another missing woman, Natalee Holloway, but this theory was cleared. Even though, at the time, there were nine other vacationers said to be missing in the Caribbean, authorities declined to carry out further DNA testing on the material, although they said that the bone was human and likely from someone of Caucasian origin."

Sorry if this has been discussed here at length. Any thoughts on this? I'm so confused why they would not test it.

 

[Silverstorm]

how is the band member AD not arrested? He was seen with Amy the night before and the morning she went missing. He was identified as one of the men with her on the beach in Porto Marie.
I thought they could get more info from ISP data.

 

[DustysMom]

I don’t think Amy and Brad were sleeping in the same bed. Those cabins are set up with a main Queen bed which the parents were surely in and then beside that there is a living room area with a sofa that flips out to a bed and another single bed on top of it. So essentially bunk beds.
What confuses me is if was the Queen bed that was closest to the balcony or if the living room area was closest to the balcony. Different ships have it configured differently

The Netflix documentary shows the living room area to be closest to the balcony.

So dad would have to have had pretty good vision to be able to see outside in detail from his position in the Queen bed, past the living area with the bunk beds pulled out and usually a coffee table and various mess in the way, through the sheer curtains if they were pulled in the low morning break light to make out Amy’s legs on the chaise longue
Not saying he didn’t but it’s another detail that stood out to me.

I’ve wondered about the stateroom layout,too. I assumed that Amy and Brad had to share the sofa bed.

 

[DustysMom]

"In 2010, a jawbone washed ashore in Aruba. It was initially thought to be the jawbone of another missing woman, Natalee Holloway, but this theory was cleared. Even though, at the time, there were nine other vacationers said to be missing in the Caribbean, authorities declined to carry out further DNA testing on the material, although they said that the bone was human and likely from someone of Caucasian origin."

Sorry if this has been discussed here at length. Any thoughts on this? I'm so confused why they would not test it.

I suspect that small Caribbean islands have few police resources and they want to use said resources on protecting their own citizens rather than investigating rich tourists. Just a passing thought. MOO

 

[Bree1950]

Affordable Adult Vacations. That’s the website that had the escort pictures.

Thanks for letting me know

 

[Bree1950]

how is the band member AD not arrested? He was seen with Amy the night before and the morning she went missing. He was identified as one of the men with her on the beach in Porto Marie.
I thought they could get more info from ISP data.

The FBI, since the ISP is not an American carrier, cannot investigate it unless the specific Country it is in asks them.

 

[Danaya]

I’ve wondered about the stateroom layout,too. I assumed that Amy and Brad had to share the sofa bed.

The FBI agent in the documentary said that there were two beds in the room.

He emphasized the room was "very small" with "just enough room for the two beds and just a walk in between them to get to the balcony and back out."

That's an interesting detail. I guess I never realized how small the room was. Amy would've had to quietly walk in between both of the beds, sometime between 530am and 6am, without waking anyone up.

 

[GXP Sleuther]

"In 2010, a jawbone washed ashore in Aruba. It was initially thought to be the jawbone of another missing woman, Natalee Holloway, but this theory was cleared. Even though, at the time, there were nine other vacationers said to be missing in the Caribbean, authorities declined to carry out further DNA testing on the material, although they said that the bone was human and likely from someone of Caucasian origin."

Sorry if this has been discussed here at length. Any thoughts on this? I'm so confused why they would not test it.

Mystery of Missing Royal Caribbean Passenger Amy Bradley Returns to the News

Even Wiki:
Another incident involved the finding of a jawbone that washed ashore in Aruba in 2010. Initially, it was thought to be the jawbone of another missing person's case—Natalee Holloway—but once the jawbone was cleared of Holloway, authorities ceased any further testing despite the fact that there were nine other Caribbean vacationers that were said to be missing. No DNA testing was done on the material. They say that the bone is human and was likely from a Caucasian origin.

Looking at Amybradleyismissing.com it is kind of strange that they put her 'location' 200 feet from the Jawbone. The first two photos are from Amybradleyismissing.com and the screengrab is from the Holloway case.. look closely at the maps and dates.

 

[Danaya]

how is the band member AD not arrested? He was seen with Amy the night before and the morning she went missing. He was identified as one of the men with her on the beach in Porto Marie.
I thought they could get more info from ISP data.

Him being on the beach has never been confirmed by the FBI. Eye-witnesses can be wrong, and a lot of the time, they are. It wouldn't hold up in court.

Someone being seen with Amy that night is a far stretch from concluding that they murdered her. The FBI can't arrest someone based on one piece of circumstantial evidence.

 

[GinaSeikwa]

The FBI agent in the documentary said that there were two beds in the room.

He emphasized the room was "very small" with "just enough room for the two beds and just a walk in between them to get to the balcony and back out."

That's an interesting detail. I guess I never realized how small the room was. Amy would've had to quietly walk in between both of the beds, sometime between 530am and 6am, without waking anyone up.

I will take that back about there possibly being a pull out bed on top of the sofa.
All of the cruises I’ve been on did have this feature but I can’t say for certain that the Rhapsody of the Seas in 1998 was set up this way.
So it is possible that Amy and Brad were sharing a sofa bed. Or Brad was bunking with dad and Amy with mom but I don’t think any of those configurations was necessarily inappropriate.
To have a chance of a lifetime to go on a cruise you do what you have to do and make do with the room arrangements but yes those rooms are small with very little privacy

And from looking at cabin layout photos online it seems that most of the balcony category rooms had the living area closest to the balcony door.

 

[Chypre]

What gave me pause was the fact that Amy left her shirt draped over a chair (or whatever it was) near the balcony door inside the room. It felt like she had gone inside to change her top, bringing her pack of cigarettes with her.

Had she left the cigarette pack behind, I might’ve believed her disappearance from the room wasn’t voluntary — that perhaps she died by suicide or accidentally fell overboard. If she had fallen or jumped, though, wouldn't it be more likely that her cigarette pack was left behind?

The balcony door was also left slightly ajar, as if she had stepped back inside but didn’t want to close it all the way — possibly to avoid waking her parents.

I can see her changing her top, bringing her cigarettes, and leaving the room. She then woke up her Dad with the sound of the door shutting.

One thing I recall is that Amy left her birkenstock type sandals that she was wearing on the balcony. Maybe she had slipped on a different pair, though, or put on running shoes.

I've only watched part 1, but the shirt detail also stuck for me. Makes me think she changed her top and went looking for Yellow. Or, maybe Yellow could see her on the balcony somehow and signaled. I wish the two women who saw Amy and Yellow in the elevator could confirm Amy's clothes to corroborate the sighting time and that Amy left her room after her brother went to bed. Also, if her mother may have been able to inventory the clothing that was left to identify which shirt was missing.

 

[Chypre]

I was struck in the documentary by the two women who witnessed Amy and AD together in the early morning. We’ve all heard this story before, but this interview of one of them was interesting for its expansion on the topic. We now know that they’d noticed Amy before they saw her with AD (It seems like Amy has a very magnetic persona) and it strengthens their eyewitness to me.

Another interest little nugget was that AD has been hitting on them earlier, but when walking past them, after being seen heading up to the disco a few minutes before with Amy and now seen without her, he now paused them no attention.

me too

 

[Silverstorm]

Him being on the beach has never been confirmed by the FBI. Eye-witnesses can be wrong, and a lot of the time, they are. It wouldn't hold up in court.

Someone being seen with Amy that night is a far stretch from concluding that they murdered her. The FBI can't arrest someone based on one piece of circumstantial evidence.

Then we can agree to disagree.I think there’s a lot he is hiding. His daughter has plenty of her own suspusions about him.

 

[njbchgal]

Then we can agree to disagree.I think there’s a lot he is hiding. His daughter has plenty of her own suspusions about him.

I feel like him or the staff may have been part of a trafficking ring of some sort, why AD had a suitcase of photos of women his ex wife found....one set was missing of Amy - makes me wonder what type of questions were asked in the polygraph test.

 

[Danaya]

The eyewitness sighting on the dock is likely valid. However, there is also the possibility that the women could have seen Amy and AD earlier than they remembered. The female FBI agent acknowledged that the women's timing could have been off.

 

[scruffydog]

Mystery of Missing Royal Caribbean Passenger Amy Bradley Returns to the News

Even Wiki:
Another incident involved the finding of a jawbone that washed ashore in Aruba in 2010. Initially, it was thought to be the jawbone of another missing person's case—Natalee Holloway—but once the jawbone was cleared of Holloway, authorities ceased any further testing despite the fact that there were nine other Caribbean vacationers that were said to be missing. No DNA testing was done on the material. They say that the bone is human and was likely from a Caucasian origin.

Looking at Amybradleyismissing.com it is kind of strange that they put her 'location' 200 feet from the Jawbone. The first two photos are from Amybradleyismissing.com and the screengrab is from the Holloway case.. look closely at the maps and dates

Mystery of Missing Royal Caribbean Passenger Amy Bradley Returns to the News

Even Wiki:
Another incident involved the finding of a jawbone that washed ashore in Aruba in 2010. Initially, it was thought to be the jawbone of another missing person's case—Natalee Holloway—but once the jawbone was cleared of Holloway, authorities ceased any further testing despite the fact that there were nine other Caribbean vacationers that were said to be missing. No DNA testing was done on the material. They say that the bone is human and was likely from a Caucasian origin.

Looking at Amybradleyismissing.com it is kind of strange that they put her 'location' 200 feet from the Jawbone. The first two photos are from Amybradleyismissing.com and the screengrab is from the Holloway case.. look closely at the maps and dates.

With the utmost respect-I must say that I feel the story about Amy with 4 men in some restaurant/ bar is proposterous to me. Out in public...for everyone to see-I would get up-say I'm going to the bathroom and run in the kitchen and say call the cops, I've been kidnapped. What are they going to do, if front of employees, patrons etc.?? I feel this story has just grown out of control. The simplest story is usually the truth-met back up with the band member to party-he tried to make a serious move-she refused. He either forced himself on her , or not-then couldn't afford to lose his job and attacked her. I strongly believe she died that morning and was either thrown overboard, or remove from the ship in some kind of container and disposed of.

 

[Danaya]

Then we can agree to disagree.I think there’s a lot he is hiding. His daughter has plenty of her own suspusions about him.

I totally get where you're coming from and I agree. AD is suspicious. I just meant the FBI didn’t have enough solid evidence to build a case against him.

That one alleged sighting between 530am–6am couldn’t be confirmed. Without more concrete facts and an established timeline, it was all just very circumstantial.

That said, I believe the FBI agent said they would’ve arrested AD if they were able to. But being in international waters limited them to only being able to detain him.

Maybe if they'd been able to arrest him, they would've gotten more. I think it's a possibility that he was involved but it’s clear they didn’t have much to go on at the time.

 

[na19]

Unless I missed it, I don't believe the San Francisco sighting was discussed on the doc. Did the witnesses not want to come forward? Or has this sighting been deemed invalid now?

 

[GXP Sleuther]

Unless I missed it, I don't believe the San Francisco sighting was discussed on the doc. Did the witnesses not want to come forward? Or has this sighting been deemed invalid now?

It never happened. It was another conspiracy theory goose chase put forward by FindAmy.