VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[GreyPhantom]

This! I did a little digging today to refresh my memory. He accurately described her watch and that watch had been held back from the media descriptions at that time. It is significant.

To me those details are the smoking guns that make me sure she left the boat.

 

[Danaya]

This! I did a little digging today to refresh my memory. He accurately described her watch and that watch had been held back from the media descriptions at that time. It is significant.

Do you mind sharing a link to where the watch detail was verified? I’m curious where it comes from. I’ll probably rewatch Part Two of the documentary soon. I vaguely remember a watch being mentioned, but I don’t recall it being officially confirmed.

 

[fridaybaker]

Do you recall who stated this? Was it the FBI agents? That's a very intriguing detail. I'll have to take another look.

Did you watch the documentary? I did, but I should probably watch it again. I recall seeing an image of the watch when it was brought up in the documentary, and I thought it was the female FBI agent who talked about it, but I’m not 100% sure. It seems like all the pieces of information that I hear or read start sliding around in my head after a while, and they start to become hopelessly entangled.

Regarding the Amy is Missing website, there is a lot of interesting information there, but I, too, would like footnotes!

 

[Quill]

Do you mind sharing a link to where the watch detail was verified? I’m curious where it comes from. I’ll probably rewatch Part Two of the documentary soon. I vaguely remember a watch being mentioned, but I don’t recall it being officially confirmed.

I read about it on the Amy is missing website.

 

[cenazoic]

Like many of you, I’ve been following this case for a long time, and it’s the case that originally brought me to WS. I started off believing something nefarious occurred, but over the years I’ve come think the answer is likely way more prosaic, which doesn’t make it any less tragic.

Here’s an idea thought that struck me for the first time, watching the new doc: in all these years, the only self-proclaimed witnesses have been: a) 2 people on the boat and b) tourists in Barbados/Curacao months or years after Amy went missing (and who say they didn’t know who she was.)

In other words, in all this time, not a single person in either place who lives there has ever reported a sighting of Amy, alone or with ‘handlers’. I emphasize ‘who lives there’ because unlike the American tourists, the average local almost certainly did know who she was, and yet, not a single reported sighting (not counting taxi-driver fraud) of this well-known missing American, who was, if we believe the witnesses, being paraded around town for any old body to see. I just find that…curious.

 

[Bree1950]

If I am remembering correctly, the parents said in the documentary, that Amy liked to take pictures. I’m assuming her camera was with her on the cruise. Was the camera in her items after she was missing? Is the camera still missing?

 

[Danaya]

If I am remembering correctly, the parents said in the documentary, that Amy liked to take pictures. I’m assuming her camera was with her on the cruise. Was the camera in her items after she was missing? Is the camera still missing?

Yes, her mom said in Part One that Amy had been taking some pictures for a photo contest. I believe the contest was something that the cruise had organized for the passengers.

Amy's girlfriend (the one who broke up with Amy shortly before the cruise) showed a postcard Amy had sent her. On it, Amy mentioned taking photos.

I don't think the camera went missing, because IMO the parents or FBI agents would've mentioned that. The agents were very thorough with the details of the case.

 

[DustysMom]

Then we can agree to disagree.I think there’s a lot he is hiding. His daughter has plenty of her own suspusions about him.

I think he knows more than what he is telling. I don’t necessarily think it was him on the beach - I do believe he led her somewhere that morning, likely off the boat via staff exit so she could buy drugs. He probably set her up for whatever happened which is why he can vehemently deny he doesn't know anything about where she is. He doesn’t know for sure.
There was some tv or YouTube video that had an interview with him. I believe he is a minister back in Grenada now. His story was pretty convincing — he said she told him she was gay, her parents didn’t like it and she was didn’t really want to come on the cruise. That information wasn’t widely publicized so it seems as though they did have some meaningful conversation. AD also went into a lot of detail about the strict fraternizing rules on the ship and how things went down after the Bradley’s began searching for Amy. I’m not buying all of it, he wasn’t a rule follower, but I felt there were many truths in what he said.
Just as an aside, I’ve been on at least 6 cruises, various decades and cruise lines, in the Caribbean, and I have NEVER witnessed or been the target of inappropriate behavior from staff. And I used to get a lot of male attention back in the day. I’m really shocked that male employees told Iva they wanted to take Amy off the ship to Carlos n Charlie’s - and another employee, AD, was dancing with her and had his arms around her. From my limited experience, this isn’t the norm. IMO MOO

 

[DustysMom]

If I am remembering correctly, the parents said in the documentary, that Amy liked to take pictures. I’m assuming her camera was with her on the cruise. Was the camera in her items after she was missing? Is the camera still missing?

Ooo - good point

 

[DustysMom]

There were three witnesses who saw Amy Bradley with Yellow - Lori Thompson (witness in the Netflix documentary), her friend Crystal Roberts, and Elizabeth. Elizabeth claims she was in the disco the morning Amy and Yellow entered. She testified to a federal grand jury in Virginia.

Reply #18

Amy Lynn Bradley is still missing

Website dedicated to spreading accurate information regarding the 1998 disappearance of Amy Lynn BradleyRhapsody of the Seas - Amy Lynn Bradley

amybradleyismissing.com

Yowza- I never heard about the Arab men OR the female employee claiming she had been kidnapped

 

[lebvidox]

Like many of you, I’ve been following this case for a long time, and it’s the case that originally brought me to WS. I started off believing something nefarious occurred, but over the years I’ve come think the answer is likely way more prosaic, which doesn’t make it any less tragic.

Here’s an idea thought that struck me for the first time, watching the new doc: in all these years, the only self-proclaimed witnesses have been: a) 2 people on the boat and b) tourists in Barbados/Curacao months or years after Amy went missing (and who say they didn’t know who she was.)

In other words, in all this time, not a single person in either place who lives there has ever reported a sighting of Amy, alone or with ‘handlers’. I emphasize ‘who lives there’ because unlike the American tourists, the average local almost certainly did know who she was, and yet, not a single reported sighting (not counting taxi-driver fraud) of this well-known missing American, who was, if we believe the witnesses, being paraded around town for any old body to see. I just find that…curious.

Unless everyone in two different countries were covering up for a crime or afraid to speak out, international tourists might be the only ones to see possible (maybe imaginary) red flags because they researched the place and the case got stuck in their heads (i.e. they were traveling abroad, a bit worried about local crimes etc)

 

[Murkywaters]

It never happened. It was another conspiracy theory goose chase put forward by FindAmy.

Wrong. The witness told her story on America's Most Wanted in 2003. The sketches from this sighting were on the FBI website for 10 years.

Wayback Machine

Story:
On April 18, 2003, the witness was in San Francisco with her husband near Pier 39, not far from the Alcatraz tours. The couple stopped to listen to a street band, joining about 20 other people who were gathered around the musicians. The witness noticed a woman, who looked somewhat familiar, surrounded by two men. The witness concentrated on the woman's face and realized the woman looked like Amy Bradley, who was profiled on America's Most Wanted. According to the witness, the two men talked and looked at the witness. Then, the balding red-haired man gave the woman some change to tip the band. The men abruptly grabbed the woman's elbow and hustled her away from the crowd. As they were walking away, the witness said the woman looked back and gave a pleading look. The trio disappeared quickly from the crowd. In June 2003, the witness met with the FBI and a sketch artist, and together they made composite sketches of the two men.

The FBI says the two men are wanted for questioning and have not been charged with any crime. The woman seen by the witness may or may not have Bradley.

Bradley disappeared off of the Royal Caribbean International vessel called "Rhapsody of the Seas" cruise ship on March 24, 1998. She was vacationing aboard the cruise with her parents and brother. At 5:15 a.m., Bradley's father saw her sitting in a chair on the private balcony of their room. Later, between 5:30-6:00 a.m., two women saw Bradley in an elevator with the bass player, Alister Douglas, who is nicknamed "Yellow." His band, Blue Orchid, performed on that ship. At the time of Bradley's disappearance, the cruise ship docked at the island of Curacao and passengers were let off to explore the island around 7:30 a.m. that morning. Royal Caribbean security conducted a partial search of the ship later that day, and they waited two days to do a more thorough search. There was no sign of Bradley. To this day, she remains missing

 

[GXP Sleuther]

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[Danaya]

It never happened. It was another conspiracy theory goose chase put forward by FindAmy.

Is this the same site they showed in the documentary—the one that kept getting hits from the same IP address?
"Amy Bradley is Missing"
Or is FindAmy a different one? Just trying to figure that out.

People have stated that the beach eyewitness described a watch that Amy had, but I’ve watched all the eyewitness interviews from the documentary three separate times, and there was no mention of a watch anywhere. The only watch I noticed was the gold tone one Amy’s dad was wearing during the press conference.

Something else that really stood out, was that the witness didn't come forward until 2007, as a result of seeing Amy Bradley’s photo on a Dr. Phil rerun. He says he then remembered seeing her back in August 1998, and told the FBI she had the same Tasmanian Devil tattoo in the same spot. But that detail had already been made public in the episode, and he didn’t mention it until after watching—making the accurate description much less compelling.

Also made public during that Dr. Phil episode were images of “Jas,” which Dr. Phil explained had been sent to the family anonymously and believed to have come from a Caribbean sex worker website. It’s worth noting that the beach witness didn’t come forward claiming Amy was being controlled by two men—one of which he said was AD—until after the sex trafficking angle had been made public.

Anyway, I do encourage anyone who’s as invested in this case as I am to watch the documentary a second time around, if you have the time. I picked up on a lot more during the rewatch, and certain things came across very differently to me.

 

[Jezel]

Is this the same site they showed in the documentary—the one that kept getting hits from the same IP address?
"Amy Bradley is Missing"
Or is FindAmy a different one? Just trying to figure that out.


People have stated that the beach eyewitness described a watch matching one Amy had, but I’ve watched all the eyewitness interviews from the documentary three separate times, and there was no mention of a watch anywhere. The only watch I noticed was the one Amy’s dad was wearing during the press conference. The filmmakers did a close-up of it.

One detail that stood out was that the witness didn't come forward until 2007, after seeing Amy Bradley’s photo on a Dr. Phil rerun. He claimed he had seen her back in August 1998 and told the FBI she had the same Tasmanian Devil tattoo in the same spot. But that detail had already been made public in the episode, and he didn’t mention it until after watching—making the accurate description much less compelling.

Also made public during that Dr. Phil episode were images of “Jas,” which Dr. Phil explained had been sent to the family anonymously and believed to have come from a Caribbean sex worker website. It’s worth noting that the beach witness didn’t come forward claiming Amy was being controlled by two men—one of which he said was AD—until after the sex trafficking angle had been made public.

Anyway, I do encourage anyone who’s as invested in this case as I am to watch the documentary a second time around, if you have the time. I picked up on a lot more during the rewatch, and certain things came across very differently to me.

Were those exact details about exactly when the witnesses came forward, and what exact info was already public at the time, specified in the documentary?

 

[Danaya]

Were those exact details about exactly when the witnesses came forward, and what exact info was already public at the time, specified in the documentary?

Yes, the dates were shown clearly on screen before each witness segment. The witness portions featured them speaking directly about their experiences. The beach witness specifically said he was reminded of the encounter after seeing Amy’s photo on Dr. Phil. One of the things he mentioned was the tattoo, and that he recognized her in part because it matched the one Amy had.

 

[avob00]

Like many of you, I’ve been following this case for a long time, and it’s the case that originally brought me to WS. I started off believing something nefarious occurred, but over the years I’ve come think the answer is likely way more prosaic, which doesn’t make it any less tragic.

Here’s an idea thought that struck me for the first time, watching the new doc: in all these years, the only self-proclaimed witnesses have been: a) 2 people on the boat and b) tourists in Barbados/Curacao months or years after Amy went missing (and who say they didn’t know who she was.)

In other words, in all this time, not a single person in either place who lives there has ever reported a sighting of Amy, alone or with ‘handlers’. I emphasize ‘who lives there’ because unlike the American tourists, the average local almost certainly did know who she was, and yet, not a single reported sighting (not counting taxi-driver fraud) of this well-known missing American, who was, if we believe the witnesses, being paraded around town for any old body to see. I just find that…curious.

Yes. Why in all this time has no local or tourist in either (or another place) reported anything? This baffles me.

 

[333_OnlyHalfEvil]

Wrong. The witness told her story on America's Most Wanted in 2003. The sketches from this sighting were on the FBI website for 10 years.

Wayback Machine

Story:
On April 18, 2003, the witness was in San Francisco with her husband near Pier 39, not far from the Alcatraz tours. The couple stopped to listen to a street band, joining about 20 other people who were gathered around the musicians. The witness noticed a woman, who looked somewhat familiar, surrounded by two men. The witness concentrated on the woman's face and realized the woman looked like Amy Bradley, who was profiled on America's Most Wanted. According to the witness, the two men talked and looked at the witness. Then, the balding red-haired man gave the woman some change to tip the band. The men abruptly grabbed the woman's elbow and hustled her away from the crowd. As they were walking away, the witness said the woman looked back and gave a pleading look. The trio disappeared quickly from the crowd. In June 2003, the witness met with the FBI and a sketch artist, and together they made composite sketches of the two men.

The FBI says the two men are wanted for questioning and have not been charged with any crime. The woman seen by the witness may or may not have Bradley.

Bradley disappeared off of the Royal Caribbean International vessel called "Rhapsody of the Seas" cruise ship on March 24, 1998. She was vacationing aboard the cruise with her parents and brother. At 5:15 a.m., Bradley's father saw her sitting in a chair on the private balcony of their room. Later, between 5:30-6:00 a.m., two women saw Bradley in an elevator with the bass player, Alister Douglas, who is nicknamed "Yellow." His band, Blue Orchid, performed on that ship. At the time of Bradley's disappearance, the cruise ship docked at the island of Curacao and passengers were let off to explore the island around 7:30 a.m. that morning. Royal Caribbean security conducted a partial search of the ship later that day, and they waited two days to do a more thorough search. There was no sign of Bradley. To this day, she remains missing

Interesting. If it really was AB, I wonder why they took her out in public in her home country, and to a crowded area where she could have easily begged anyone for help or yelled out her identity. Seems risky.

 

[GreyPhantom]

Interesting. If it really was AB, I wonder why they took her out in public in her home country, and to a crowded area where she could have easily begged anyone for help or yelled out her identity. Seems risky.

They had a transaction to complete.

 

[333_OnlyHalfEvil]

I have a question about the door. Amy is known to have returned to the cabin at about 3:40 am based on the Door lock records and her shirt being left behind, like she changed it.

But when did she leave again? The door records should have registered that as well. How many ways to exit the room were there? Was the room connected to any other rooms?