VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[GreyPhantom]

I have a question about the door. Amy is known to have returned to the cabin at about 3:40 am based on the Door lock records and her shirt being left behind, like she changed it.

But when did she leave again? The door records should have registered that as well. How many ways to exit the room were there? Was the room connected to any other rooms?

The doors on this cruise in 1998 did not register departures.

 

[GreyPhantom]

Yes, the dates were shown clearly on screen before each witness segment. The witness portions featured them speaking directly about their experiences. The beach witness specifically said he was reminded of the encounter after seeing Amy’s photo on Dr. Phil. One of the things he mentioned was the tattoo, and that he recognized her in part because it matched the one Amy had.

He also got a better look at her in the cabana bar, after the hostile beach encounter.

 

[DustysMom]

I’d like to know if any other tourists, from cruise ships or not, have been ‘kidnapped’ or gone missing in the ABC islands during the 1990s.
What baffles me is why was Amy targeted? She doesn’t fit the criteria for sex worker - too old, too educated, certainly not from a marginalized family situation. Was some rich Arab looking for someone who had her physical characteristics? Seems unlikely. IF she was kidnapped, did her captors choose her because they wanted an English speaking white woman who was at ease in social situations? If so, why? Drug muling? There are a lot of Dutch in the ABCs, maybe she was taken to the Netherlands.

 

[GreyPhantom]

AZ

I’d like to know if any other tourists, from cruise ships or not, have been ‘kidnapped’ or gone missing in the ABC islands during the 1990s.
What baffles me is why was Amy targeted? She doesn’t fit the criteria for sex worker - too old, too educated, certainly not from a marginalized family situation. Was some rich Arab looking for someone who had her physical characteristics? Seems unlikely. IF she was kidnapped, did her captors choose her because they wanted an English speaking white woman who was at ease in social situations? If so, why? Drug muling? There are a lot of Dutch in the ABCs, maybe she was taken to the Netherlands.

If you know, you know......

 

[Salah11]

I’d like to know if any other tourists, from cruise ships or not, have been ‘kidnapped’ or gone missing in the ABC islands during the 1990s.
What baffles me is why was Amy targeted? She doesn’t fit the criteria for sex worker - too old, too educated, certainly not from a marginalized family situation. Was some rich Arab looking for someone who had her physical characteristics? Seems unlikely. IF she was kidnapped, did her captors choose her because they wanted an English speaking white woman who was at ease in social situations? If so, why? Drug muling? There are a lot of Dutch in the ABCs, maybe she was taken to the Netherlands.

I come back to those photos of Amy being missing, but then there hardly seems enough time to steal those photos and then pimp her out to the highest bidder.

I still maintain she didn’t fall over board but she was murdered by Yellow or somebody when she turned down their sexual advances that AM.

 

[Quill]

Is this the same site they showed in the documentary—the one that kept getting hits from the same IP address?
"Amy Bradley is Missing"
Or is FindAmy a different one? Just trying to figure that out.

People have stated that the beach eyewitness described a watch that Amy had, but I’ve watched all the eyewitness interviews from the documentary three separate times, and there was no mention of a watch anywhere. The only watch I noticed was the gold tone one Amy’s dad was wearing during the press conference.

Something else that really stood out, was that the witness didn't come forward until 2007, as a result of seeing Amy Bradley’s photo on a Dr. Phil rerun. He says he then remembered seeing her back in August 1998, and told the FBI she had the same Tasmanian Devil tattoo in the same spot. But that detail had already been made public in the episode, and he didn’t mention it until after watching—making the accurate description much less compelling.

Also made public during that Dr. Phil episode were images of “Jas,” which Dr. Phil explained had been sent to the family anonymously and believed to have come from a Caribbean sex worker website. It’s worth noting that the beach witness didn’t come forward claiming Amy was being controlled by two men—one of which he said was AD—until after the sex trafficking angle had been made public.

Anyway, I do encourage anyone who’s as invested in this case as I am to watch the documentary a second time around, if you have the time. I picked up on a lot more during the rewatch, and certain things came across very differently to me.

It was the woman who saw her in Barbados that I remember saying she saw Amy on Dr. Phil and then came forward. Pretty sure the two Canadian scuba divers who saw Amy on the beach came forward sooner than that. They saw her in August of 1998 and reported it to the FBI when they returned to Canada. He had seen her segment on Unsolved Mysteries in May of 1999. This is the man who noted the watch and at that time it had been held back from her description. I will add that this man testified before a federal grand jury.

 

[Quill]

Yes, the dates were shown clearly on screen before each witness segment. The witness portions featured them speaking directly about their experiences. The beach witness specifically said he was reminded of the encounter after seeing Amy’s photo on Dr. Phil. One of the things he mentioned was the tattoo, and that he recognized her in part because it matched the one Amy had.

I think you have conflated the lady in Barbados sighting with the beach sighting. She is the witness who saw Amy's segment on Dr. Phil.

 

[GreyPhantom]

I come back to those photos of Amy being missing, but then there hardly seems enough time to steal those photos and then pimp her out to the highest bidder.

I still maintain she didn’t fall over board but she was murdered by Yellow or somebody when she turned down their sexual advances that AM.

I imagine this group had a well oiled quick response system for identifying and approving an abduction.

Remember Amy's mom said a middle aged Middle eastern man was watching them intently from the balcony when they were walking along the mezzanine. He was presumed to be the shotcaller who gave the greenlight.

 

[Quill]

I have a question about the door. Amy is known to have returned to the cabin at about 3:40 am based on the Door lock records and her shirt being left behind, like she changed it.

But when did she leave again? The door records should have registered that as well. How many ways to exit the room were there? Was the room connected to any other rooms?

They mentioned in the documentary that the door systems only logged entry with the key card. They did not record exits.

 

[Salah11]

They mentioned in the documentary that the door systems only logged entry with the key card. They did not record exits.

That must of been incredibly frustrating to the family when they were informed that such a basic feature was not implemented on this cruise.

 

[TizerisT]

Well, the intention is to stop people getting in. Swiping your card to get out would be an unneccessary annoyance.

 

[Salah11]

Well, the intention is to stop people getting in. Swiping your card to get out would be an unneccessary annoyance.

A annoyance for who it’s all done on a system?

 

[Quill]

That must of been incredibly frustrating to the family when they were informed that such a basic feature was not implemented on this cruise.

I'm not a cruise person, but from what I understand that wasn't standard technology back 1998.

 

[TizerisT]

A annoyance for who it’s all done on a system?

For the customers. Being unable to open your door because you can't find your card would be a real headache if someone is visiting or delivering something to your door. Not to mention the safety implications of that, in the event of a fire, having a seizure ,etc
The person inside the room is already authorized, by the fact that they swiped to enter, or was let in by the person occupying it. No need to have them swiping to get out too. That's not how it works in office workplaces or warehouses for example. Unauthorized access is the idea behind the card.

 

[avob00]

James Renner (journalist writing a book on the case and has done several YT videos) and the families supposed PI, Mitchell Galway are in contact with a lady (Rebekah Aliff) who supposedly is claiming Jaz is not Amy and that she knew and saw Jaz every day between 1994 and 1996 but lost touch with her.

Could be all fake but she’s after giving a very detailed account of Jaz’s life and treatment in the escort industry on Facebook. Has anyone seen it? Can’t link it here or I’ll be removed.

 

[eoyste]

James Renner (journalist writing a book on the case and has done several YT videos) and the families supposed PI, Mitchell Galway are in contact with a lady (Rebekah Aliff) who supposedly is claiming Jaz is not Amy and that she knew and saw Jaz every day between 1994 and 1996 but lost touch with her.

Could be all fake but she’s after giving a very detailed account of Jaz’s life and treatment in the escort industry on Facebook. Has anyone seen it? Can’t link it here or I’ll be removed.

Who is Jaz? I'm not familiar with that name.

 

[TizerisT]

the woman on the escort site

 

[GreyPhantom]

James Renner (journalist writing a book on the case and has done several YT videos) and the families supposed PI, Mitchell Galway are in contact with a lady (Rebekah Aliff) who supposedly is claiming Jaz is not Amy and that she knew and saw Jaz every day between 1994 and 1996 but lost touch with her.

Could be all fake but she’s after giving a very detailed account of Jaz’s life and treatment in the escort industry on Facebook. Has anyone seen it? Can’t link it here or I’ll be removed.

I just saw that. Looks like case principals like James Renner are already reaching out to her.

 

[333_OnlyHalfEvil]

The doors on this cruise in 1998 did not register departures.

So only arrivals were recorded? W

They mentioned in the documentary that the door systems only logged entry with the key card. They did not record exits.

Thank you. I cancelled Netflix a while back and am regretting it now lol.

 

[333_OnlyHalfEvil]

I do not have Netflix so can someone please confirm if what I list here is all true or not please?

Amy was 23, recently came out to her parents who had a negative reaction, and was freshly out of a relationship. She was about to move to a new place, start a new job, and adopt a pet, but had not done any of those things yet. She also was already college educated.

Could she have decided to just start over in life? She was in between a lot of things in life at that moment. The biggest problem I have with that theory though, is her never letting her brother know she was ok. They seemed very close.