VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

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  • #981
He had been familiar with the various port towns of the cruises as per his job and perhaps got to know a shady character or two. We dont know who he did or didnt know. But a document has surfaced on fb showing other instances of him guiding women off cruise ships before.
What women would this be?
Were was he guiding them to?
I didn’t do a deep dive on him or his character
I am sure though that he did know shady people and he may have been shady himself.

He was certainly flirty and interested in various women who weren’t his wife.

But it’s a leap to assume he was actively smuggling women off of cruise ships and then visiting them months later at a beach bar an hour away from the cruise port.
Has there been any evidence of where he was the day of the playa Porto Marie sighting?
 
  • #982
Yes. Why in all this time has no local or tourist in either (or another place) reported anything? This baffles me.
The one witness visited a bar with prostitution. Maybe other witnesses were also in positions where it compromises them to tell.
 
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  • #984
Amy's family did not look at the adult entertainer and say that they recognize her. Hair style & colour can change. Makeup can change. Clothing style can change.

But when someone looks into their child's eyes, I hope they know that it is their child. If they can't be sure, it's probably someone else's child.
 
  • #985
Ummm, no? Agent Sheridan said they would've arrested him if he had been on US soil.
On what grounds with what evidence?
 
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  • #987
I’d like to know if any other tourists, from cruise ships or not, have been ‘kidnapped’ or gone missing in the ABC islands during the 1990s.
What baffles me is why was Amy targeted? She doesn’t fit the criteria for sex worker - too old, too educated, certainly not from a marginalized family situation. Was some rich Arab looking for someone who had her physical characteristics? Seems unlikely. IF she was kidnapped, did her captors choose her because they wanted an English speaking white woman who was at ease in social situations? If so, why? Drug muling? There are a lot of Dutch in the ABCs, maybe she was taken to the Netherlands.
I highly recommend International Cruise Victims website.
 
  • #988
2 thoughts—
A—I wonder if she moved the table to put her feet up. Her dad said he saw her legs when he glanced out at the balcony. Are those balconies small, like too small for a chaise lounge?
B—I’m guessing that she’d have more than one pair of shoes. Probably at least a pair of sneakers and sandals (that were found). Maybe another pair of dressier shoes for formal night?
 
  • #989
James Renner (journalist writing a book on the case and has done several YT videos) and the families supposed PI, Mitchell Galway are in contact with a lady (Rebekah Aliff) who supposedly is claiming Jaz is not Amy and that she knew and saw Jaz every day between 1994 and 1996 but lost touch with her.

Could be all fake but she’s after giving a very detailed account of Jaz’s life and treatment in the escort industry on Facebook. Has anyone seen it? Can’t link it here or I’ll be removed.
I believe FBI with their facial measurements which matched Amy’s photographs! In the trafficking industry, they want people to believe she fell off the boat!
 
  • #990
The FBI never shares everything they know! They share certain items strategicaly
that they feel may help their investigation. They aren’t going to let the Public know their grounds to be able to arrest if on US soil!
 
  • #991
He's damn good at what he does, I just hope his analysis of Jas holds up to the new scrutiny that is coming post Documentary.
I believe the FBI facial measurements and facial recognition software!
 
  • #992
2 thoughts—
A—I wonder if she moved the table to put her feet up. Her dad said he saw her legs when he glanced out at the balcony. Are those balconies small, like too small for a chaise lounge?
B—I’m guessing that she’d have more than one pair of shoes. Probably at least a pair of sneakers and sandals (that were found). Maybe another pair of dressier shoes for formal night?
Ok but assuming that she walked out of the cabin, why would she not slip on the sandals that she had right beside her on the balcony?
And instead dig for another pair in a dark stateroom possibly in a closet or a suitcase.
The assumption that she didn’t close the balcony door completely is that she didn’t want to wake her sleeping family yet she is going to open a closet door and fumble around the stateroom to grab a different pair of shoes?
 
  • #993
I believe the FBI facial measurements and facial recognition software!
That's the thing. Wesley was a contractor who did work for the FBI and appears to use a manual technique. Even the FBI lady on the documentary used her words very carefully, "it was his determination that it was the same person". I'm not sure the FBI as an organization has officially affirmed that Any is Jas.

Also in today's age, the technology tools have advanced. And every tool says it's not the same person even when it recognizes celebrities that have had advanced plastic surgery.

I hope for all our sake that his technique holds up to the scrutiny because that would be a huge boon to those who are pushing the overboard agenda.
 
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Agreed. But falling overboard and intentionally going overboard (or being forced overboard for that matter) are different things. If Amy was afraid of heights or open water, it seems a curious method for a suicide. On the other hand, she wasn't afraid enough to be ON the balcony and surrounded by water. Someone who is suicidal may be be partying and jovial in one moment and cross the mental point of no return in the next. Especially with alcohol and possibly something else. And while there are certainly patterns and likelihoods, we're not yet known to be at the point where we can know what someone else is thinking.

Meanwhile, her father could've awoken from the chaise scraping across the floor innocently, the table being moved to the edge innocently or not, the cabin door clicking shut, or even a noise in a dream he was having. My only takeaway from the cabin is the time she entered (or her card did, if you sway towards facty facts.)

I would surmise from what we know now that she went back to the cabin to pass the time (aka not fall asleep by staying out on the balcony in the fresh air) until a quickly arranged rendevous time/place to get off the ship. Likely with help from Yellow and/or others. If that sequence of events happened, I imagine a few scenarios: she purchased and used some drugs stronger than she was used to (or tried a sample) OD'd and died, used drugs and was then sexually assaulted and murdered, went for drugs but ended up being robbed and murdered, or some combination. Tourists make great victims, and it's possible whoever she met up with didn't know she'd come from a cruise. If she were to get busted, it makes sense Yellow wouldn't have her say "Yellow sent me." He, or someone else on the ship, might've had another alias for transactions in that port.

When a ship docks, shipS during cruise season, there are thousands of people flooding the area in a short period of time. Not counting vacationers their on their own without a cruise, as well as non-native staff working the terminals and who live there. In essence, dozens of Amy Bradleys walking around. Even without hats and sunglasses, she'd be one of many with the same look. And not only that, but within days there'd be an entire new set of Amy Bradleys walking around.

All to say, I don't see the international escort angle happening for myriad reasons already discussed. Specifically, I don't see Amy in the original Jaz photo, besides a passing resemblance. I know girls, young women, and mature women who resemble both of them - age-regressed/progressed and actual. Furthermore, Jaz's picture looks from mid to late 80s or early 90s. I'd also think a captive, potentially drugged or drug using escort wouldn't be heavier than Amy, although irrelevant if the picture is indeed earlier. The 2nd Jaz photo has even less resemblance.

The FBI is involved due to international waters as I and others mentioned threads ago. As for comments and sound bites...they are wholly vetted (if not assigned verbatim) and never off the cuff on record. "Our understanding is," "believed to be," "allegedly," "person of interest," "known to be," "assumed," and my personal favorite.."a source connected to," is all We-Don't-Know-101. Lawyer Language, Non-Committal Truthiness...whatever you want to call it. You can only hope it's temporary deflection until there are answers actually being pursued. In Amy's case, the FBI is active if a picture is believed to be her, by an unnamed expert of currently unknown affiliation.
Your theory sounds very plausible to me. According to her friends, AB liked to party and socialize. She was young and in great shape and on vacation —- drinking 6 beers in 9 hours is nothing! The excitement of the trip - and maybe little something else - would make it easy to stay up all night.
I think AD set up a sunrise rendezvous and helped her sneak off the ship to meet his ‘dealer friend’. What happened from there?
A—- she gets busted by corrupt police who ‘sell’ her to traffickers
B—— dealer takes her money and rapes and kills her
C—— dealer gives her a big bump or shoots her up and she ODs
D—- dealer is not a dealer and is just interested in trafficking her
In any of these situations, AD gets a kick back and is set up for plausible deniability. All he did was show her how to get off the ship, he tells himself. In reality, he either deliberately served her up on a platter OR enabled a drug deal gone bad.
I know next to nothing about these animals that traffic women but I have a hard time believing she was actually paraded around Curaçao, Barbados and San Francisco with 2 Colombian cartel looking handlers - for 20 something years! These people have no respect for human life and less regard for women, an American no less.
MOO
I dearly hope I’m wrong but I don’t think AB is alive.
 
  • #995
I would definitely lean towards D as more likely

Under B and C, the dealer leaves Douglas with a massive headache - the girl he left the ship with is dead, which could leave Douglas as prime suspect in a murder, having been the last one seen with her. Some friend the dealer is!
 
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Your theory sounds very plausible to me. According to her friends, AB liked to party and socialize. She was young and in great shape and on vacation —- drinking 6 beers in 9 hours is nothing! The excitement of the trip - and maybe little something else - would make it easy to stay up all night.
I think AD set up a sunrise rendezvous and helped her sneak off the ship to meet his ‘dealer friend’. What happened from there?
A—- she gets busted by corrupt police who ‘sell’ her to traffickers
B—— dealer takes her money and rapes and kills her
C—— dealer gives her a big bump or shoots her up and she ODs
D—- dealer is not a dealer and is just interested in trafficking her
In any of these situations, AD gets a kick back and is set up for plausible deniability. All he did was show her how to get off the ship, he tells himself. In reality, he either deliberately served her up on a platter OR enabled a drug deal gone bad.
I know next to nothing about these animals that traffic women but I have a hard time believing she was actually paraded around Curaçao, Barbados and San Francisco with 2 Colombian cartel looking handlers - for 20 something years! These people have no respect for human life and less regard for women, an American no less.
MOO
I dearly hope I’m wrong but I don’t think AB is alive.

You have to remember that Yellow was seen leaving the upper deck/disco by himself fairly soon after they both went there. So he wouldn't have had the time to walk her to shore from a lower deck.

The long time theory was always that he handed her off to another rogue crew member in the back service elevator at the disco.
 
  • #997
Ok but assuming that she walked out of the cabin, why would she not slip on the sandals that she had right beside her on the balcony?
And instead dig for another pair in a dark stateroom possibly in a closet or a suitcase.
The assumption that she didn’t close the balcony door completely is that she didn’t want to wake her sleeping family yet she is going to open a closet door and fumble around the stateroom to grab a different pair of shoes?
Also with the shoes - Is it known if ALL of her shoes were or were not there? I’m sure it has to be known by her family - did all her shoes come back with them? It seems like if she left on foot there would be a pair of shoes missing, or at least a higher probability that if she left out the door she was most likely wearing shoes. Did they cover this completely in the doc?
 
  • #998
Also with the shoes - Is it known if ALL of her shoes were or were not there? I’m sure it has to be known by her family - did all her shoes come back with them? It seems like if she left on foot there would be a pair of shoes missing, or at least a higher probability that if she left out the door she was most likely wearing shoes. Did they cover this completely in the doc?

Y'all are focusing too much on the shoes. It wouldn't surprise me if Amy walked barefoot for what he thought was a short little rendezvous with Yellow.
 
  • #999
You have to remember that Yellow was seen leaving the upper deck/disco by himself fairly soon after they both went there. So he wouldn't have had the time to walk her to shore from a lower deck.

The long time theory was always that he handed her off to another rogue crew member in the back service elevator at the disco.
This is what I think AD(yellow) did and has done.
 
  • #1,000
Not saying I don't believe you, but what is the source for this?

Did the FBI tell us that in the documentary? I may have missed it. But it sounds familiar.
Okay, I watched the documentary again. There is no mention of the watch. I believe where I read it was the Amy Bradley is Missing website under the “Porto Marie” section. It says that the description of the watch was never given to the public but Carmichael described it accurately. (Remember, the watch was sort of a “one-off”, with a unique colored face.)

Again, though, while that site is very informative, it would be so helpful if it listed specific sources for all of the info!
 
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