VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #4

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<modsnip: who did post was removed> ... I am not blaming anyone for anything. I am linking to a comment that was posted in 2018 that contains links to court documents. Those court documents conclude that there was a "fraud against the court" regarding a lawsuit related to Amy Bradly.

That's not blaming. That's factual evidence that cannot be ignored. The courts determined that critical information about Amy's disappearance was withheld, so the lawsuit was dismissed.

Read the documents:
I’m 100% with Otto.

One thing I took from the Netflix show was that the parents would only acknowledge something as fact if it suited their narrative.

They wholeheartedly agreed that the fellow who said Amy left the ship and went to a bar should be believed but the second part of his same statement, that it was to buy drugs, should not.
 
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IMO if she’s had jumped/fallen off the side, something… anything… would have washed up. Even a small piece of clothing, a shoe or something. JMO
If even we assume something was bound to wash up, why would it be identifiable as anything associated with Amy?

If she had flip-flops, say, which washed up somewhere on Curaçao, or maybe on the Venezuelan coast, or maybe Aruba, or maybe somewhere else, what would obviously distinguish them from random beach debris?
 
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If even we assume something was bound to wash up, why would it be identifiable as anything associated with Amy?

If she had flip-flops, say, which washed up somewhere on Curaçao, or maybe on the Venezuelan coast, or maybe Aruba, or maybe somewhere else, what would obviously distinguish them from random beach debris?
Maybe in my naivety I would hope that if something washed up within the initial few weeks, the authorities involved would ask the family if they recognised the item. Again, my naivety may be incorrectly assuming that the relevant authorities would know the pattern of the currents and the possibilities of where something could potentially be washed ashore.

I appreciate if something washed up nowadays this would be a different story. I just can’t get past absolutely nothing being washed up, within the NF documentary it sticks in my head when the guy says ‘I know these currents and I know something would have washed up’ - or words to that effect.
 
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Maybe in my naivety I would hope that if something washed up within the initial few weeks, the authorities involved would ask the family if they recognised the item. Again, my naivety may be incorrectly assuming that the relevant authorities would know the pattern of the currents and the possibilities of where something could potentially be washed ashore.

I appreciate if something washed up nowadays this would be a different story. I just can’t get past absolutely nothing being washed up, within the NF documentary it sticks in my head when the guy says ‘I know these currents and I know something would have washed up’ - or words to that effect.
I agree with you here and will add if this case as some posters suggest is so easily solved by saying that Amy fell overboard or jumped, then why is the FBI investigation still open? The FBI doesn't have extra revenue to waste.
 
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I agree with you here and will add if this case as some posters suggest is so easily solved by saying that Amy fell overboard or jumped, then why is the FBI investigation still open? The FBI doesn't have extra revenue to waste.

Absolutely agree, if they thought for a second that she went overboard then why continue to keep the case open? Why continue to follow leads or sightings within the area? JMO
 
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I agree with you here and will add if this case as some posters suggest is so easily solved by saying that Amy fell overboard or jumped, then why is the FBI investigation still open? The FBI doesn't have extra revenue to waste.
Same reason why the Jimmy Hoffa case and Alcatraz escape are still open..no body
 
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Same reason why the Jimmy Hoffa case and Alcatraz escape are still open..no body
As at least one other person has noted, it involves a disappearance from a US-registered ships that is unresolved.
I agree with you here and will add if this case as some posters suggest is so easily solved by saying that Amy fell overboard or jumped, then why is the FBI investigation still open? The FBI doesn't have extra revenue to waste.
Is it a waste to close it before resolution, or is it necessary prudence?

Beyond that, the case of Natalee Holloway demonstrates how a missing person's cause can not only be a cause celebre but a real international issue. It caused problems for US-Aruban and US-Dutch relations, maybe even to an extent to US-EU relations. At least some preparation if something unexpected and actionable came up is not a bad idea.
 
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Maybe in my naivety I would hope that if something washed up within the initial few weeks, the authorities involved would ask the family if they recognised the item. Again, my naivety may be incorrectly assuming that the relevant authorities would know the pattern of the currents and the possibilities of where something could potentially be washed ashore.

I appreciate if something washed up nowadays this would be a different story. I just can’t get past absolutely nothing being washed up, within the NF documentary it sticks in my head when the guy says ‘I know these currents and I know something would have washed up’ - or words to that effect.
I think one problem with that is that assumption is with the presumption that the authorities would know. A lot of their search patterns would on factors that could and could not be known, for instance when she might have fallen overboard and what happened to her body after she fell. It also assumes that they actually do know all the currents accurately.
 
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Anyone know how long Alister worked for the ship after this took place? Just curious if he continued to do so or not.
 
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If i was at the beach, and a flip flop or something like a hat or a pair of sunglasses washed up on the beach , I wouldn't automatically think that it was from a dead body...so many people would not think to call LE.
There are many bodies that do not come to the surface...like Donna Urban who jumped in 1982 or 83. Plenty of witnesses, but no body ever recovered. Also, remember the Caribbean has sharks.
IMO, I believe Amy fell or committed suicide. However, I DO NOT dismiss the possibility of her being trafficked....
 
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I think one problem with that is that assumption is with the presumption that the authorities would know. A lot of their search patterns would on factors that could and could not be known, for instance when she might have fallen overboard and what happened to her body after she fell. It also assumes that they actually do know all the currents accurately.
You’re absolutely right, although I refer back to the guy in the NF documentary who claimed (and I know this is only his word we have) to know the current patterns and was adamant that something/anything would have washed ashore.

I do agree with you though; I also agree that there are a lot of if, buts and maybe’s here which we will never know the answers to.
 
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You’re absolutely right, although I refer back to the guy in the NF documentary who claimed (and I know this is only his word we have) to know the current patterns and was adamant that something/anything would have washed ashore.

I think that is in ideal circumstances. We have no reason to assume they must have applied.

We do know there are some recent cases where there are some shipwrecks offshore but not many bodies are found. I reported just one from 2008, where only four of 32 bodies were recovered.

I do agree with you though; I also agree that there are a lot of if, buts and maybe’s here which we will never know the answers to.
Agreed. I think we can weight probabilities.
If i was at the beach, and a flip flop or something like a hat or a pair of sunglasses washed up on the beach , I wouldn't automatically think that it was from a dead body...so many people would not think to call LE.
There are many bodies that do not come to the surface...like Donna Urban who jumped in 1982 or 83. Plenty of witnesses, but no body ever recovered. Also, remember the Caribbean has sharks.
IMO, I believe Amy fell or committed suicide. However, I DO NOT dismiss the possibility of her being trafficked....
My problem with the trafficking idea is that this would seem to be the only time someone was abducted from a cruise ship, around Curaçao or elsewhere. Something like Amy being attacked, which does happen, would be much more likely.

There are some travellers who do things which put them at risk. I shared in the last thread Jacqueline Vienneau, who disappeared in Syria in 2007. She was travelling by herself and out of regular communication with anyone in a place she had never been before, a country with strong if suppressed ethnic and religious conflicts that exploded into civil war four years later.


Amy Bradley was doing none of that. She was travelling with her family on a cruise ship, and had not yet gotten to a Curaçao that is one of the stablest places in the Caribbean.

It would be a very odd place for this conspiracy to happen, especially since we have some idea of what sex trafficking goes on in Curaçao (dealing with Latin American migrants, basically, brought in more or less voluntarily). Escalating to kidnapping cruise ship passengers would be a very odd thing to happen.

Beyond that, the sex slave idea is clearly related to the idea that Amy is alive. An attack on the ship is more likely, but it would exclude the possibility of her being alive. A family that has demonstrated a willingness to fudge with evidence that supports their chosen story, as found in a court of law, can be sympathized with inasmuch as that speaks to their grief and desperate love.
 
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Anyone know how long Alister worked for the ship after this took place? Just curious if he continued to do so or not.
Yeah he did continue to but not sure how long for. He said in his interview that he had 5 years in that industry. He went to other ships but some of them didnt want to give him a contract because of this case.
 
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I’d like to ask AB’s brother, the last person to see and talk to AB, to recount that day… backwards. imo
 
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Amy Bradley's brother reveals untold details about sister's cruise disappearance​


 
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I don't think Amy fell overboard but a person can fall overboard and survive. Here is a case that shows that.
Yes, and a single passenger of 242 souls can survive the horrific crash of an Air India 787. This isn't the norm. The majority of cases of people falling off high areas of ships perished. Mostly from drowning, but if high enough it's the equivalent of falling off a building and hitting concrete. Amy was on deck 8 of the 11 passenger decks, and is still at least a good 100ft up from the waterline. The Rhapsody Of The Seas is 193 feet tall with 12 decks total.
 
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What level of the ship was Amy on?
She was on deck 8 of the 11 passenger cabin decks on Rhapsody Of The Seas. My rough calculation put the height at a little over 120 feet about the waterline. The ship is 193 feet tall from the water with 12 decks total.
 
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