VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #4

[lohrtabitha]

My thought was: She was going to be sick. She opened the door to head for the bathroom and realized she wouldn't make it. Left the door open and went to hang herself over the balcony instead. Accidental fall.

BUT - with the door open, her family would hear her if she fell, yes? Maybe her fall is the "something" that woke her father?

I also could see her leaving the room, though. Her sandals were left on the balcony, but...were those the shoes she went dancing in? Unlikely IMHO. She could have put on the other shoes and left the room. I didn't see any video in the documentary that captured what her feet looked like in the disco.

Also, her cigarettes/lighter weren't found on the balcony. Would you put those in your jeans pocket while you were sitting on a lounger? I'm not a smoker but that sounds unlikely - put them on the table within reach.

Also the noise her father heard could have been the cabin door closing. No one heard any screams. Moo

 

[lohrtabitha]

My thought was: She was going to be sick. She opened the door to head for the bathroom and realized she wouldn't make it. Left the door open and went to hang herself over the balcony instead. Accidental fall.

BUT - with the door open, her family would hear her if she fell, yes? Maybe her fall is the "something" that woke her father?

I also could see her leaving the room, though. Her sandals were left on the balcony, but...were those the shoes she went dancing in? Unlikely IMHO. She could have put on the other shoes and left the room. I didn't see any video in the documentary that captured what her feet looked like in the disco.

Also, her cigarettes/lighter weren't found on the balcony. Would you put those in your jeans pocket while you were sitting on a lounger? I'm not a smoker but that sounds unlikely - put them on the table within reach.

Those railing are above 3 feet tall. If your 5ft6 like Amy you would have to climb over the railing to fall. The ships have to have this for safety hazards to prevent falls.

How do you 'fall' off of a cruise ship? Experts and data suggest it isn't easy.

A woman who went overboard a cruise ship last week was rescued after she spent nearly an hour in the water off the coast of the Dominican Republic.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Quill]

January 1999- Navy Sailor “ Saw Amy asking for $200” at brothel or bar with hotel.

1999 is also when Frank Jones scammed the Bradley’s.

What is the chance the the woman at the Brothel was the hired Amy for the photos so knew the story.

My assumptions- Frank Jones was partying on the Bradley’s money… probably went to Brothels, found a young lady needed for pictures, told her or she figured it out.

Photos were taken by the scammers on Pensacola Beach in FL. BTW.

 

[Quill]

To many religious people suicide is a great sin, and they believe that people who commit suicide don't get into heaven. Maybe her parents think like that.
Jmo, moo

Her brother has said they weren't really very religious. He said they only went to church when they visited the grandparents.

 

[Quill]

Netflix picks and chooses what to tell in their docu series. By no means are their portrayals exhaustive. They also put their own spin on things with lighting/editing/music etc. and innuendo as well as omission of facts for a more forceful emotional punch. Bias.
If I am following a case I rarely watch the docuseries because I always walk away like What?
IME They miss so many subtle nuances and seem to have their own narrative.
JMO

Agree. Even BB has said that while he is super grateful to Netflix for the doc and the attention it is bringing back to the case, that some depictions in the doc were not very accurate. Case in point is the scene where he talks about hearing Amy's voice from a passing car. He said the doc depicted that as them being on a more remote road but in actuality they were in a more populated area with businesses and lots of traffic. FWIW

 

[lohrtabitha]

Amy sounds like a 23 year old who was grabbing all life had to offer and life was coming at her fast.
She had just graduated college/ new car/ new apartment/new job/ etc etc - she appears to have had a magnetic personality that made people want to be around her.
Lots of her age group at that time and today ( and prob forever) experiment with sexuality until they settle on an identity. She liked to party, she smoked, and I would not be surprised if she was into recreational drugs. Nothing too unusual.
The tatoo's are interesting to me - the people the family says had encounters with her through out the years, describe them.
Also interesting to me is the diver from Canada who in August 1998, in Curacao that said he saw Amy on a remote beach - two men walked her in the opposite direction from him but stared him down first. He identified Yellow as being one of those guys.

Lots of bad stuff happens on these islands - even on our own little US territory Puerto Rico.

As part of my job at that time, in the late 1990's, I was traveling to PR about once a month and occassionaly St Thomas and St John. Long story short, if you are a woman alone you have a target on your back.
There are those that would think nothing of hitting your car/ running you off the road while you are driving just to get you to pull over to rob you or "whatever".
After a particularly unsettling encounter my company insisted I have a driver and implemented other safety precautions.
To think that Amy was taken off that boat, and staff from the ship were involved is by no means far fetched. Lots of money changing hands everyday/ all day and none of it legal , down on those islands.
JMO

Great write up here. Well stated. Thank you!

 

[lohrtabitha]

I have wondered if Tom, Amy's alleged boyfriend at the time she went missing, was not someone she was dating but rather a close male friend that her parents assumed she was dating or that her parents hoped she was dating.

I want Tom to come forward and do an interview. He has to have been asked by a reporter.

 

[Bluebear15]

Those railing are above 3 feet tall. If your 5ft6 like Amy you would have to climb over the railing to fall. The ships have to have this for safety hazards to prevent falls.

How do you 'fall' off of a cruise ship? Experts and data suggest it isn't easy.

A woman who went overboard a cruise ship last week was rescued after she spent nearly an hour in the water off the coast of the Dominican Republic.

www.businessinsider.com

She could easily fall if she stood on the table.
Jmo

 

[carterkatt]

Yes but thats among teenagers in an enclosed environment, with small amounts. Adults doing the same thing in a public space rather than say, a car, would be rather naive.

Regarding Rebekah Aliff's interview, I beleive it too. Up until 13 minutes of the interview she seems baffled when asked about the documentary - she didnt even know there was one. She accurately described the bed without seeing the full picture. Even though those pictures we're already public, it seems she wasnt aware of any of this. I think she's telling the truth.

I had a major eye roll when watching the Rebekah Aliff interview with James Renner. Credible? hummmm?

Renner asked her when she first posted on SM about the Jas pics, and she states it was recently. He asks her if it was after the documentary was released. She says something like "What documentary? I don't know anything about any documentary???" Yet a few seconds later, she states, "I don't have Netflix." NO ONE mentioned Netflix... so how did she know it was on Netflix if she never knew anything about it????

 

[Chypre]

Also the noise her father heard could have been the cabin door closing. No one heard any screams. Moo

This

 

[Quill]

Also the noise her father heard could have been the cabin door closing. No one heard any screams. Moo

This is what I think is likely, too. Think about being in small space like that and you're sleeping heavily. It might not even be a noise, but just the sense of the change of air in the room from a door opening, then the final sound of a door closing. It seems much more likely to me that hearing someone fall off/over a balcony. JMO

 

[Silverstorm]

I never thought my Dad was suicidal until he hung himself a few days after my birthday (in 2015) and I still have no answer as to what could make him do that.

He was the only person I talked to every. single. day for my entire life. My Dad was the least suicidal person on planet Earth. I knew him better than anyone and am still lost but I know his spirit is with me.

Im so sorry for you loss.

 

[MesquiteO21]

The amazing thing about 9/11 wasn't that this awful thing happened, what's amazing is that it had not happened before that, imo.

All the elements of the perfect storm were in place that this should have surprised no one who was paying attention. But I know, it did.

I just meant generally, crashing a plane intentionally into buildings is rare, not necessarily to the specific situation of 9/11 which yeah, many people did anticipate

MOO

 

[K9Enzo]

Sometimes in missing persons cases, families can withhold details, especially if their loved one was depressed, distant, or struggling. There is a fear that if they are too honest, LE will not take the case seriously or act quickly, since adults have the right to leave.

However, I don't believe we are getting the full truth, and I do not find the Bradley's to be honest brokers.

I understand that Brad Bradley has been doing interviews since the Netflix series aired, pushing to have more people questioned, including two women Amy was supposedly seen talking to and some cruise ship staff again. Fortunately, in the US, it does not work like that. Investigators needs probable cause or new evidence before reopening interviews. You cannot just point fingers and expect people to be dragged back in. imo

 

[Cedars]

No, it doesn't sound like that to me, and that's not what I'm suggesting.

But this whole "no one gave a she was gay" narrative that Brad is spinning has been proven false. imo

I don't understand why her family (or anyone) cares. The whole case is obsessed with sex in one way or another. There's so much more to someone's life than sex, but that's all anyone thinks about in regard to this poor phantom-woman *** for twenty-seven years***

 

[Moon at Sea]

@Cedars did you watch the Netflix docu?

I mean, talk to lesbians and gays who came out in the 90s to homophobic parents. They cared a lot. Obviously Amy knew it would be a problem, which is why she arranged for beards for her and Kat.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I never thought my Dad was suicidal until he hung himself a few days after my birthday (in 2015) and I still have no answer as to what could make him do that.

He was the only person I talked to every. single. day for my entire life. My Dad was the least suicidal person on planet Earth. I knew him better than anyone and am still lost but I know his spirit is with me.

I'm sorry you lost your dad. This deep depression that evokes suicide was felt by me in my early 20s. I know that I put up a good front out in public but when I was in my home, the sadness demonized you. You don't care about family or friends because you cant even care about yourself. It is a cancer and we need to do more about mental illness as a society. It can victimize anyone and at anytime. I can say at my worst, I couldn't eat, dress myself, or even get out of bed. My mom took care if me for a few months until I found a great psychiatrist and was put on medication that saved my life. 30 years later, I'm still on depression medicine and not ashamed to talk about it. We need to be able to talk about. 1 in 4 people will suffer from depression sometime in their life. I have lost an ex boyfriend to it and a few good friends. Hugs and care to you. Moo

 

[Silverstorm]

I have been on many many cruises. Almost everyone has been on a balcony(about 15). Im surprised no one has mentioned the wind tunnel effect that happens when you open the sliding door.
I usually only opened mine enough for me to squeeze through.The 18-24 inches Amy opened hers sounds the same. The door is heavy and noisy when opened.

 

[lohrtabitha]

To many religious people suicide is a great sin, and they believe that people who commit suicide don't get into heaven. Maybe her parents think like that.
Jmo, moo

But if her parents thought that, perhaps Amy thought that too; and would be the reason why she never jumped from that ship.

 

[lohrtabitha]

She could easily fall if she stood on the table.
Jmo

That table was probably cheap and flimsy and wouldn't be strong enough to hold any adult. Imo