VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #4

[Bluebear15]

But if her parents thought that, perhaps Amy thought that too; and would be the reason why she never jumped from that ship.

Alternatively she thought differently and did jump. Her family are clealy homophobic (the letter, Brad's tweets) and maybe something was said that literally toppled her over the edge.
Jmo

 

[EspressoBean]

That table was probably cheap and flimsy and wouldn't be strong enough to hold any adult. Imo

I don't agree that she used it to stand on but furniture on cruise ships are far from cheap and flimsy or they would be sliding and moving all over as the ship moves. They are generally very heavy and sturdy for the purpose of being on the ship and for not needing to be replaced due to wear and tear from frequent use.

 

[Silverstorm]

That table was probably cheap and flimsy and wouldn't be strong enough to hold any adult. Imo

Not only that but the coffee table in front of the bed/couch is usually put on the deck when people use the bed because theres nowhere else to put it. Not one person has mentioned her climbing on that because the cleaners put it back.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Alternatively she thought differently and did jump. Her family are clealy homophobic (the letter, Brad's tweets) and maybe something was said that literally toppled her over the edge.
Jmo

Nope, not buying it. She was happy before the cruise and had everything going for her and a brand new doggie to come home too. I haven't seen any if Brad's tweets that he or his family is homophobic. Please cite a few with links. Her parents did say when she came out to them years before the cruise happened that it wasn't the lifestyle that they chose for her but seemed to have accepted it. You love your children unconditionally and they did Amy. Imo

 

[Moon at Sea]

I haven't seen any if Brad's tweets that he or his family is homophobic

Do you not believe Kat's account of a 3 page letter from the father insinuating she'd had a bad influence on Amy? The father even admitted writing something to her, though he said it was only a couple paragraphs. Kat said it was 3 pages on yellow legal pad.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Do you not believe Kat's account of a 3 page letter from the father insinuating she'd had a bad influence on Amy? The father even admitted writing something to her, though he said it was only a couple paragraphs. Kat said it was 3 pages on yellow legal pad.

Haven't seen it. Do post it here for us. This is why posting references and sources to back up statements us important.

 

[Quill]

That table was probably cheap and flimsy and wouldn't be strong enough to hold any adult. Imo

I've always pictured a flimsy table like that falling over or at least pushing back easily if someone stood on it and jumped or lost balance. JMO

 

[Moon at Sea]

Haven't seen it. Do post it here for us. This is why posting references and sources to back up statements us important.

The letter from Ron to Kat is discussed in the documentary and in the interview with Kat two of us posted in this thread yesterday.

 

[Quill]

The letter from Ron to Kat is discussed in the documentary and in the interview with Kat two of us posted in this thread yesterday.

The letter was indeed discussed. I have seen several posters here characterize this letter with words like "nasty" ,"homophobic" and getting into specific language as though they have seen the letter. I want to see it, too, if there is a source you can link. I have watched the doc twice and I'm not getting that detailed of a description from what was aired. Large conclusions are being leapt to here in many aspects, including this letter. People are stating things as fact that need to be backed up. JMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

The letter from Ron to Kat is discussed in the documentary and in the interview with Kat two of us posted in this thread yesterday.

The message in the bottle? If that's the one I dont see anything alarming or sad in it?

 

[Silverstorm]

I don't agree that she used it to stand on but furniture on cruise ships are far from cheap and flimsy or they would be sliding and moving all over as the ship moves. They are generally very heavy and sturdy for the purpose of being on the ship and for not needing to be replaced due to wear and tear from frequent use.

They are heavy and also have water damage from being put out on the balcony when people use the bed.(Im talking about the coffee table in front of the couch/bed being put on the balcony when people use the bed.)

 

[Bluebear15]

The message in the bottle? If that's the one I dont see anything alarming or sad in it?

The message in the bottle was from Amy to Mollie. The letter from Ron was to Kat. She was clearly upset by what was in it.

 

[Moon at Sea]

Here is the video posted again with details of the letter from Ron to Kat. Please watch it.

<modsnip - sleuthing family members is a violation of TOS

All IMO.
@Quill @lohrtabitha

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Agree. Even BB has said that while he is super grateful to Netflix for the doc and the attention it is bringing back to the case, that some depictions in the doc were not very accurate. Case in point is the scene where he talks about hearing Amy's voice from a passing car. He said the doc depicted that as them being on a more remote road but in actuality they were in a more populated area with businesses and lots of traffic. FWIW

I don't believe for one moment that he heard Amy call out to him. Also, apparently his story was different in regards to that in the Hulu documentary...

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Nah. Nothing says successful drug deal like forcing a kidnap victim to carry out the deal and reminding them of it in a restroom. That was another fantastical witness statement.

Amy is everywhere but no where at the same time according to these witnesses. imo only

The FBI seemed to think it was credible. There's no reason to think it wasn't, except conspiracy theories.

MOO.

 

[Quill]

I don't believe for one moment that he heard Amy call out to him. Also, apparently his story was different in regards to that in the Hulu documentary...

That's your prerogative. I haven't weighed out belief or not; just listening to the story. I haven't seen a HULU doc. I've just seen the Netflix doc. Is the HULU doc new or old?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I do, too. In the documentary, Amy’s father said he saw her out on the balcony at around 5:30. Then he said something woke him up not long after, and at that point, Amy was no longer on the balcony. I think what woke him up, was her going over the side. I think Amy was upset after she sent her girlfriend a “message in a bottle”-I don’t think their relationship was the same after Amy admitted kissing someone else, regardless of how excited some people said she was about the cruise. I do think she was intoxicated, and at 23 her brain was not yet fully mature-it only takes a second to form the intent to do harm to yourself. I don’t care what the people in Curaçao said about the bodies always surfacing-I think this one just didn’t.

I am not familiar with ANY evidence that Amy was suicidal. If you have some, please share. No one said she was excited for the cruise from everything I've read. In fact, she didn't want to go on the cruise. I'm not sure where this information is coming from, but it feels like speculation out of the sky to me.

MOO.

 

[Bluebear15]

I am not familiar with ANY evidence that Amy was suicidal. If you have some, please share. No one said she was excited for the cruise from everything I've read. In fact, she didn't want to go on the cruise. I'm not sure where this information is coming from, but it feels like speculation out of the sky to me.

MOO.

Her relationship with Mollie wasn't in good shape, and the letter in a bottle was heartfelt and in some ways desperate. People who are feeling down, then drink, often do silly things.
Jmo, moo

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Why isn't Amy's family considering that she jumped overboard, when it's the most likely explanation? Has it got anything to do with the fact that if there was a death policy on her, the insurance company wouldn't have paid out if she's committed suicide? Her parents both worked in insurance. Nobody knows if she had suicidal thoughts, no matter how positive her life looked from the outside. Also, alcohol can exacerbate feelings and it is a depressive. I think it's likely that her brother had an argument with her on the deck. He had also left her earlier from the disco. All of these conspiracy theories are just madness IMO.

Because we could literally make that exact same claim for every single missing person in the whole world. Unless there is evidence of suicidality, we can't assume anyone was suicidal just because they're missing.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Her relationship with Mollie wasn't in good shape, and the letter in a bottle was heartfelt and in some ways desperate. People who are feeling down, then drink, often do silly things.
Jmo, moo

That's not evidence. This suicide theory seems to have been born out of nothing.

MOO.