VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #4

[Tutter]

Do you not believe Kat's account of a 3 page letter from the father insinuating she'd had a bad influence on Amy? The father even admitted writing something to her, though he said it was only a couple paragraphs. Kat said it was 3 pages on yellow legal pad.

I don’t know Kat, maybe she was a bad influence but have nothing to do with being gay. I think parents can dislike hetero partners sometimes too.

I thought Mollie was absolutely lovely. Did the parents write her a letter?

 

[Bluebear15]

That's not evidence. This suicide theory seems to have been born out of nothing.

In your opinion.

It's more valid than people who claim to have seen her alive with no corroboration. There's literally NO evidence of sex trafficking.
Jmo

 

[lohrtabitha]

The message in the bottle was from Amy to Mollie. The letter from Ron was to Kat. She was clearly upset by what was in it.

I haven't seen the letter drim Ron. Please provide. I watched the NF documentary and a few others.

 

[Bluebear15]

I don’t know Kat, maybe she was a bad influence but have nothing to do with being gay. I think parents can dislike hetero partners sometimes too.

I thought Mollie was absolutely lovely. Did the parents write her a letter?

I thought that both Kat and Mollie seemed lovely. They maybe didn't know that Mollie existed. Amy apparently had a (fictional?) boyfriend when the cruise happened - that was possibly so Mollie wouldn't incur their wrath.
Jmo

 

[lohrtabitha]

In your opinion.

It's more valid than people who claim to have seen her alive with no corroboration. There's literally NO evidence of sex trafficking.
Jmo

We have witnesses that testified in a grand jury and a FBI agent Sheridan who counter your point. No one saw or heard Amy fall or jumped off the boat. If there were lifeboats under her balcony, no blood was reported to be found whatsoever. Imo

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

In your opinion.

It's more valid than people who claim to have seen her alive with no corroboration. There's literally NO evidence of sex trafficking.
Jmo

The FBI disagrees with you. There are numerous people on the record validating the sightings. You don't have to believe them, but saying there's "literally no evidence" of it is objectively false.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

We have witnesses that testified in a grand jury and a FBI agent Sheridan who counter your point. No one saw or heard Amy fall or jumped off the boat. If there were lifeboats under her balcony, no blood was reported to be found whatsoever. Imo

Agreed, but even if there were, that still wouldn't suggest suicide. There is no evidence of suicide in this case.

MOO.

 

[Bluebear15]

We have witnesses that testified in a grand jury and a FBI agent Sheridan who counter your point. No one saw or heard Amy fall or jumped off the boat. If there were lifeboats under her balcony, no blood was reported to be found whatsoever. Imo

It has NEVER been proven that the witnesses saw Amy. Only someone who said she was Amy. Those are very different things.
Jmo

 

[K9Enzo]

The FBI seemed to think it was credible. There's no reason to think it wasn't, except conspiracy theories.

MOO.

The FBI reviewing a tip does not make it credible. Taking a statement is part of standard intake and lead processing. Scrutinizing vague and unverified sightings is not a conspiracy. It is reasonable case discussion. imo

 

[Bluebear15]

The FBI disagrees with you. There are numerous people on the record validating the sightings. You don't have to believe them, but saying there's "literally no evidence" of it is objectively false.

MOO.

No, there is no corroboration. It has NEVER been proven that those sightings were of AMY.
Moo

 

[waldojabba]

She could easily fall if she stood on the table.
Jmo

Anything is possible
But I don’t see it. You have a seasick, most likely s faced upper middle class young girl feeling nauseous and she’s gonna climb on to a table top and projectile vomit over the railing while standing like some alkie on a bender?
Dancing on a table I can envision. This scenario? Not so much.
It does not track for me. Esp at that hour. That table would have been prob wet from condensation and slippery to even try and stand on.
Also it’s light enough out by then to make you feel ridiculous - she more than likely went somewhere.
JMO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

It has NEVER been proven that the witnesses saw Amy. Only someone who said she was Amy. Those are very different things.
Jmo

The witnesses that testified were all from the cruise ship who identified Amy with Alistair Douglas. Douglas isn't easily confused with others due to his personality and appearance. I believe the witnesses, so did the FBI. This is the evidence whereas their us absolutely no evidence of a suicide. Imo

 

[Quill]

I don’t know Kat, maybe she was a bad influence but have nothing to do with being gay. I think parents can dislike hetero partners sometimes too.

I thought Mollie was absolutely lovely. Did the parents write her a letter?

Apparently they liked Mollie enough to spend time with her as told by Brad in an interview I listened to yesterday. Brad says she went on a family vacation and spent Easter with them. He said she was a lovely person and that Amy loved her very much. Maybe they just didn't like Kat?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

The FBI reviewing a tip does not make it credible. Taking a statement is part of standard intake and lead processing. Scrutinizing vague and unverified sightings is not a conspiracy. It is reasonable case discussion. imo

The FBI didn't just review a tip. That's minimization of what actually occurred. Minimizing the facts, including the involvement of the FBI, and believing people lied to police and to a grand jury for unknown motivation in order to push a theory that isn't backed up by law enforcement or any evidence, is conspiracy, IMO.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It has NEVER been proven that the witnesses saw Amy. Only someone who said she was Amy. Those are very different things.
Jmo

There's literally never been any proof for any other explanation either. Just theory. And the evidence for suicide is nonexistent. At least in the case of these witnesses, they testified under oath, sat with sketch artists, and were believed by authorities who know a lot more than we do.

MOO.

 

[waldojabba]

No, it doesn't sound like that to me, and that's not what I'm suggesting.

But this whole "no one gave a she was gay" narrative that Brad is spinning has been proven false. imo

They can both be true.
You can love your sister unconditionally and support and accept her choices as being hers to make… while at the same time not being a fan of that lifestyle.
In 1998 arguably your life was easier if you were straight and white. Maybe even more so today with all this rollback of rights. You hate to see a family member make their life more difficult.
They were obvi all tight as a family.
When I was 21 or 23 yrs old there was no way I’d be on a cruise sharing a room with my parents - free or not. Just not cool. And I liked my parents fine.
These kids were actually excited about it. It seems they were just wholesome somewhat naive people - kind of mid western vibe.
TLDR: while they may have preferred one lifestyle for their daughter, they were certainly not at odds with their daughter and were supportive of her choices.

JMO

 

[waldojabba]

Do you not believe Kat's account of a 3 page letter from the father insinuating she'd had a bad influence on Amy? The father even admitted writing something to her, though he said it was only a couple paragraphs. Kat said it was 3 pages on yellow legal pad.

Hey a parent is a parent and maybe they thought Kat was a bad influence.. for a number of reasons.
I don’t take that into consideration at all.
JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

They can both be true.
You can love your sister unconditionally and support and accept her choices as being hers to make… while at the same time not being a fan of that lifestyle.
In 1998 arguably your life was easier if you were straight and white. Maybe even more so today with all this rollback of rights. You hate to see a family member make their life more difficult.
They were obvi all tight as a family.
When I was 21 or 23 yrs old there was no way I’d be on a cruise sharing a room with my parents - free or not. Just not cool. And I liked my parents fine.
These kids were actually excited about it. It seems they were just wholesome somewhat naive people - kind of mid western vibe.
TLDR: while they may have preferred one lifestyle for their daughter, they were certainly not at odds with their daughter and were supportive of her choices.

JMO

I don't think Amy's being gay has any relevance to the case, to be honest. I don't think that we can assume that her family's dislike of Kat is homophobia or that they were unaccepting of her, especially as they did like Mollie. JMO.

But I do want to just add that homosexuality isn't a lifestyle choice. Society used to think it was and it's possible her family viewed it that way, but I think we know enough now about homosexuality that we know it isn't a choice that people make.

 

[K9Enzo]

The FBI didn't just review a tip. That's minimization of what actually occurred. Minimizing the facts, including the involvement of the FBI, and believing people lied to police and to a grand jury for unknown motivation in order to push a theory that isn't backed up by law enforcement or any evidence, is conspiracy, IMO.

MOO.

At this point, AB has been placed across half the Caribbean by unverified witness accounts that lead nowhere. Bathrooms, bars, beaches. None of it produced physical evidence or confirmation. We are 25 + years in. No arrests. No charges. No Amy.

Some tips may have been serious enough to be heard by a grand jury, but that does not mean they were supported by facts. Being questioned or testifying does not verify a claim. People come forward in high profile cases with stories that do not hold up.

IIRC, the bathroom story came from Judy M, who said in 2005 that a distressed woman whispered she was AB and mentioned a deal. She reported it 8 months later after seeing AB's photo on day time tv. No one else witnessed it. There was no surveillance, no documentation. It's a single unverified account. As far as we know.

You do not go from a balcony with your family on a cruise to running cartel errands under supervision. So for me, I'm out on this lead. It's of course all my opinion.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

At this point, AB has been placed across half the Caribbean by unverified witness accounts that lead nowhere. Bathrooms, bars, beaches. None of it produced physical evidence or confirmation. We are 25 + years in. No arrests. No charges. No Amy.

Some tips may have been serious enough to be heard by a grand jury, but that does not mean they were supported by facts. Being questioned or testifying does not verify a claim. People come forward in high profile cases with stories that do not hold up.

IIRC, the bathroom story came from Judy M, who said in 2005 that a distressed woman whispered she was AB and mentioned a deal. She reported it 8 months later after seeing AB's photo on day time tv. No one else witnessed it. There was no surveillance, no documentation. It's a single unverified account. As far as we know.

You do not go from a balcony with your family on a cruise to running cartel errands under supervision. So for me, I'm out on this lead. It's of course all my opinion.

Testifying before a grand jury isn't like gossiping on the phone with your friends. Saying that people lied to a federal grand jury is saying people committed a criminal act for which they can be sent to prison and their lives essentially destroyed. Total strangers. What motive would they have for doing so? Especially as none of them became celebrities or received monetary compensation? You can call it misidentification or even lies if you want I suppose. But to minimize it in favor of out-of-the-blue speculation is strange to me.

MOO.