Identified! VA - Annandale, WhtFem 245UFVA, ~60, 'NO CODE, DNR, No Penicillin', Dec'96

[pokypuppy67]

This Doe network page for Shirley Sprang says something about "may have scarring on both arms from psoriasis." Is there any mention of scars and/or skin conditions with Jane Doe? I don't know anything about psoriasis--is it something that could have gone away? (Of course, it's just a "may have," not a definite.)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3230dfwi.html

Psoriasis is something that can be treated. And it can be worse during during certain seasons. For me it was the warmer seasons. I used to have psoriasis, first on my elbows, then right wrist, and then torso. Had that for maybe 15 years or so. Then it just cleared up at some point within the last decade and never returned. I have no scars from it, fortunately. Just one recurring patch of dry skin on my one wrist that still flares up in the warmer months but is barely visible right now.

 

[pokypuppy67]

I called the Lincoln, NE police today...just wanted to see if I could find out any information about that last contact between them and SS. Particularly, which party initiated the contact, and possibly, if they would tell me, what the contact was about.

First I spoke with the records office but she couldn't find any record of ANY communication with a Shirley Sprang. Then she connected me to a very helpful officer who told me that, if there had been ANY contact made by them to a Shirley Sprang that there would definitely be a record. He said their records go back farther than 1996, and that, in fact, when he was a juvenile (well before 1996) he had been contacted by the police, and that the record showing HIS contact comes up in a search of the system.

I'm not sure what to make of this. It makes me wonder how that note in Shirley's missing file came about. How would they have known about a last communication between her and police if it had never been documented? Who added that information to her file? Did they accidentally enter the wrong city/state? Or could "law enforcement" mean something other than the police? I didn't think to ask that at the time but could it have been the Sheriffs vs the police? Or what else could "law enforcement" mean? This officer seemed certain that Shirley had never lived there, and even if she had just driven through they would have still documented any interaction.

You know, it would be interesting to have someone do an "age regression" drawing on Jane Doe. I've seen other UIDs where that was done.

 

[micheleonelonly]

I called the Lincoln, NE police today...just wanted to see if I could find out any information about that last contact between them and SS. Particularly, which party initiated the contact, and possibly, if they would tell me, what the contact was about.

You spoke with the police for the city of Lincoln, correct? The LE contact could have been with Nebraska Highway Patrol.

 

[pokypuppy67]

You spoke with the police for the city of Lincoln, correct? The LE contact could have been with Nebraska Highway Patrol.

Yes. Good idea! Thanx!! I'll plan to check on that Monday. fftobed:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Good morning websleuthers. :seeya:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I called the Lincoln, NE police today...just wanted to see if I could find out any information about that last contact between them and SS. Particularly, which party initiated the contact, and possibly, if they would tell me, what the contact was about.

First I spoke with the records office but she couldn't find any record of ANY communication with a Shirley Sprang. Then she connected me to a very helpful officer who told me that, if there had been ANY contact made by them to a Shirley Sprang that there would definitely be a record. He said their records go back farther than 1996, and that, in fact, when he was a juvenile (well before 1996) he had been contacted by the police, and that the record showing HIS contact comes up in a search of the system.

I'm not sure what to make of this. It makes me wonder how that note in Shirley's missing file came about. How would they have known about a last communication between her and police if it had never been documented? Who added that information to her file? Did they accidentally enter the wrong city/state? Or could "law enforcement" mean something other than the police? I didn't think to ask that at the time but could it have been the Sheriffs vs the police? Or what else could "law enforcement" mean? This officer seemed certain that Shirley had never lived there, and even if she had just driven through they would have still documented any interaction.

You know, it would be interesting to have someone do an "age regression" drawing on Jane Doe. I've seen other UIDs where that was done.

BBM

What a fantastic idea! I wonder if there's an app where we could just upload her picture and try it out.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Right. I found that too, but that's an intraocular lens (like an implant or contact lens), not eyeglasses. You would think perhaps they might have made trifocal eyeglass lenses back in the day, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of this (yet).

Ohhh yeah I see what you're saying. I'll try to search different parameters.

Question... Back in 1996, what was the popular search engine? Was it yahoo?

 

[astridxx]

About the Nordstrom -- there is one down 495 from PVMG. It's literally a couple miles away. It's been there FOREVER. I remember going there in elementary school (in the 90s).


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[Jersey*Girl]

More questions - have you had enough yet? :floorlaugh: is Nordstrom and guess popular in Canada or outside the US. I know they are not in UK. I have never heard of Nordstrom and guess wouldn't be a popular brand at all here although I have heard of it.

Idk if it is/was a store outside of the US. Nordstrom isn't a brand of clothing per se, but rather a semi-high more affluent store to purchase higher end clothing. Have you heard of Bloomingdales or Macy's? It's like a Macy's, which is a lesser scale Bloomingdales. Back in 1996 when this Jane Doe committed suicide, Nordstrom was most definitely a higher end store in our country. Now that they've branched out more, they're on a similar level of Macy's.

Also, I forgot to mention this, I remember when searching those clothes that Nordstrom Rack also carried sportswear. We found out that not only was NR treated as the outlet type store, it also had clothes that more people could afford as opposed to their signature store that at the time had very high prices. Now Nordstrom is in many middle class type malls here in the US but back in the day they were in the more affluent cities and catered to the upper class.

Re Guess - they were very popular in the late 1980's (I think, I'm trying to remember lol) to early 1990's. the brand is coming back now. Georges Marciano helped to make the brand a must have back in the day. Guess was very popular all over Europe back then (as well as here) and was in every Vogue, Cosmo, Elle, & Madamoiselle magazine. Most of their runway stuff was in Paris, NYC & London. Note sure why you feel Guess wasn't popular but I have to say they were definitely a very popular brand throughout Europe & here in the US.

Also, another interesting tidbit is that Georges Marciano was from Marseilles. Marciano helped to create Guess. So that's yet another French connection.

 

[astridxx]

Idk if it is/was a store outside of the US. Nordstrom isn't a brand of clothing per se, but rather a semi-high more affluent store to purchase higher end clothing. Have you heard of Bloomingdales or Macy's? It's like a Macy's, which is a lesser scale Bloomingdales. Back in 1996 when this Jane Doe committed suicide, Nordstrom was most definitely a higher end store in our country. Now that they've branched out more, they're on a similar level of Macy's.



Also, I forgot to mention this, I remember when searching those clothes that Nordstrom Rack also carried sportswear. We found out that not only was NR treated as the outlet type store, it also had clothes that more people could afford as opposed to their signature store that at the time had very high prices. Now Nordstrom is in many malls here in the US but back in the day they were in the more affluent cities.

I wouldn't put it past her to have purchased the clothes at the Nordstrom down the street from the cemetery. Like I said, it's been there at least since the early 90s.


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[Jersey*Girl]

Astridxx, I thought when we found out Classiques Entier was exclusive to Nordstrom, that it is by in fact their brand and only they sell that brand, that somebody called the detective working this case to have that info changed in NAMUS. Am I misremembering? I can't for the life of me figure out why this hasn't been changed yet in NAMUS. It's definitely incorrect information.

 

[astridxx]

Astridxx, I thought when we found out Classiques Entier was exclusive to Nordstrom, that it is by in fact their brand and only they sell that brand, that somebody called the detective working this case to have that info changed in NAMUS. Am I misremembering? I can't for the life of me figure out why this hasn't been changed yet in NAMUS. It's definitely incorrect information.

What does it say in NAMUS? I don't remember it at all. :X


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[Jersey*Girl]

I wouldn't put it past her to have purchased the clothes at the Nordstrom down the street from the cemetery. Like I said, it's been there at least since the early 90s.

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I agree. What's sad is that the detective working this case maybe should have contacted Nordstrom directly to find out if it was Nordstrom or Nordstrom Rack which would have sold these items. All they'd have to do is give them the model # inside which may also show the run #...which in turn would point out the year of manufacture, sale price, & locations of where they were sold at the time.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

What does it say in NAMUS? I don't remember it at all. :X

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It says Saks. ullhair:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I just thought of something... Is it possible that Annandale Jane Doe immigrated from France many years prior to her death, maybe bc she met a serviceman from the US that was serving overseas in France, leaving behind her family & loved ones? Maybe her husband that she may have left her country for passed away. Maybe they didn't have children for some reason. Maybe the husband's family passed as well or maybe they all weren't close. Maybe AJD felt all alone and missing her homeland of when she was young that she decided to pay homage to her roots by showing a French connection in what she was found in and surrounded with.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I wouldn't put it past her to have purchased the clothes at the Nordstrom down the street from the cemetery. Like I said, it's been there at least since the early 90s.

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& something else - the first Nordstrom on the east coast is in Tyson's Corner (opened in 1988), less than 10 miles away from Annandale.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I brought up. I don't know if I was first. I googled the phrases and nothing came up on google.
I thought maybe it was a song lyric from Connie Converse when we thought it was her.

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Darn it. I was hoping something came of the poem. Thank you Tssiemer.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Yes they said tape & safety pins. I've searched images for that particular one and can find nothing! Also searched for the jade ring and although there are similar ones, not exactly the same. Seems to be 4 jade stones in a cross pattern. Also is 14k gold the norm in the US? In the UK it would be 9k or 18k gold.

Yes, 14k & 18k are the most purchased here. 10k is less quality but there is a market for it as well. As far as I know, 9k isn't sold here much but 10k is.

 

[Pseudonymph]

I don't think any of her belongings mean anything. She did not want to be identified, and I think she was serious enough about that to make sure her possessions were untraceable. I am thinking she went to a thrift shop.

The one thing that seems personal is her ring. The glasses are prescription and could theoretically have been traced more thoroughly, but it is probably too late for that now. The two writing samples, though typed, are very distinctive in their phrasing.

I think she has a college education and likes to read a lot, probably mysteries.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

It definitely looks child sized and I just can't see an older lady with no young children in her life buying a pink minnie mouse bum bag or fanny pack as you Americans say, lol! It looks too small for to have actually worn it, so was it in her backpack?

It does look small but I don't know if that's bc the morgue pic of her belly was bloated. Maybe it was bloated from gas that builds up after a person dies? Her underpants were a size 6. I'm wondering if the pictures supplied make her look bigger than what she truly was. I'm wondering if she was actually thin and petite. Her blouse was a petite size and the underpants were size 6, so that's what's making me think this way. If that's the case, the fanny pack may have actually fit. But, when putting everything else together, she matched completely. She wanted to go out in style IMO.

I'm leaning toward her not normally carrying a backpack & maybe that backpack was either seldomly used or only used for her final event...and I am thinking the Minnie Mouse fanny pack was special to her somehow. I wonder if I can figure out when it was made and if it was mass market.

Something that could help is if we were able to obtain the inside tags on the fanny pack & her clothes.